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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 22:44 creepcolony wrote:
lol that poll..
TL is unbelievably conservative. That is something that REALLY blows my mind.
How can young people be like that ? And probably im even older than most people here..
Now, for real, if you think GOM is right, you should change something in your life. I dont know what, but something. And fast.
Sure, I'll change something.
From this point forward, I will no longer root for Naniwa's success simply because he is a skilled non-Korean.
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On December 14 2011 22:25 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:21 Starcraftmazter wrote:What is most troubling to me, is that most people are completely missing the key issues here. My email to GOM: Hello A few days ago, I purchased the GSL Premium Yearly Ticket (My account email address is the same as this and the same one as my PayPal account for verification). I am very unhappy with your completely unprofessional decision to punish Naniwa for doing nothing wrong against the rules, quite arbitrarily - while not punishing any Korean player, ever for any sort of "misbehavior". In particular the rule you are using as justification in regards to disrespect and offence of players can be used in many instances. For instance, in some GSTL, oGsMC went over and banged the both of his enemy player before the game. This is easily both offensive and disrespectful - yet no action was taken. This is but one prominent example, and I am not suggesting any action should have been taken; rather I am pointing out the unprofessional arbitrary enforcement of that rule, which seems to be applied against foreigners only. Furthermore, I find the insulting slur of "Mr Chae" on Naniwa very unprofessional and ill conceived, this along with other previous events clearly shows your bias against non-Korean players and casters. Overall, I am rather angered by the precedent that this sets, allowing GoMTV to disqualify, remove and otherwise take action against players based entirely on what you believe to be some form of bad play. Looking back at Blizzard Cup, LiquidHero also played very poorly (but unlike Naniwai who showed very impressive games, I would say all of Hero's games were very bad), and his last two games especially were very amateur in nature, as he stopped trying. This is not an objective matter either, and in particular in Hero's game against DRG, he have DRG a win - in a game which *actually mattered* to the outcome of the tournament, whereas the game between Naniwa and Nestea did not. I do not see any action taken again Hero for this? And I am a fan of Hero, but I am merely pointing out the double standards which exists in the GSL with Korean and non-Korean players. I cannot understand why you think the foreign audience doesn't see this - do you take us all for fools? My question is, where do you draw the line? What gives you the right to draw it arbitrarily so? And at what stage can a player be kicked out for cheesing? Why are certain types of cheese ok (like 6pool) whereas others not? Naniwai could have just as easily 4gated or cannon rushed and lost - all that would have achieved is wasting more of everyone's time. I would argue that in not wasting said time that Naniwai actually has far more respect for viewers and fans than you do, so I find your decision very arbitrary and reckless. Why for instance was BitbybitPrime not punished using this very same rule? Naniwa works extremely hard, practising more than the vast majority of players (Korean and non-Korean alike) to play the best games for his fans. This is more than I can say about what BitbyBit did - and the same goes for many other players over time. To then be punished and be insulted like so, is extremely unjustifiable. You clearly do not understand that people are all different, and some get quite emotional in some situations. Next is the issue of MLG seeds into GSL code S. You have now broken your partnership with MLG, as you have failed to keep your end of the bargain. This is a further slap in the face to foreigners and foreign tournaments. Even if Naniwa's seed eventually gets replaced by another foreigner, that doesn't change the fact that you are illegitimising a foreign tournament by taking away it's right to seed a player into GSL Code S, and instead stealing that decision for yourselves. It has also come to my attention that you have deleted comments you have made about revoking Naniwai's code S seed claiming he never had it. This does not exactly add to your credibility, as it is not exactly a secret that he did. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programThe rules are stated very clearly, he earned his code S spot in Providence. I am unsure why you would try to claim he did not - again, do you take foreigners for complete idiots? You must understand, at this stage this is far beyond the Naniwa vs Nestea game. Now the bias of GomTV against foreigners as well as the behaviour of the tournament organisers to do whatever they want regardless of the rules is put in question. Furthermore on that note, you have taken a complete lack of responsibility for designing a tournament system which allows for meaningless games that don't have any result on any outcome. In conclusion, I am very displeased with this. I have supported the GSL and payed for virtually every season and event single since I first learned about it in 2010. Even these days, I end up defending GomTV from all the bad comments about the stream quality being far worse than MLG and Dreamhack - even on "HD". I really love Tastosis and always tune in to watch them cast regardless of who's playing. But this is really the last straw for me, I cannot possibly support you any longer as it seems to me that you have lost your integrity. Unless you plan to fully reverse your decision to take Naniwai's code S spot, or hand out any meaningful punishment in general (perhaps you can make it as meaningless as the game for which he was punished?), I request a full refund. If this refund is not given, or this email disregarded, I will take it up with PayPal. As the year 2012 has not even started yet, I am sure there is zero argument against getting a full refund. Lastly, being a long-term supporter, I appreciate this email be passed to some form of management so that my feelings be conveyed to them - as I believe I have made a lot of good arguments, which really deserve to be thought about by the management of the GSL. Thank You --- Lol man, you have no clue. There is no valid arguments in this letter. Your text is obviously biased and your examples bad. You can either expect no answer or a very polite "you got no clue" answer.
oGs.MC banging on the booth of his opponent before a match begins can not be interpreted as offensive? You clearly don't understand how rules work. They are not something the executives of an organization can use to punish others arbitrarily whenever they wish, as they have done here.
GomTV needs to make clear rules about what is and what is not allowed during and after games, and punish every player that disobeys them, and they must make tournament structures that do not force players to compete in games in which they have nothing to win, uncompensated for their time providing entertainment for the viewers (money that goes to GomTV, not them, who have earned their right to play in their event, not received some invitation that can be arbitrarily revoked); does not promote unfair competition (in the case of an eliminated player without incentive to compete plays one that has a chance to advance); and does not create incentive to dabble in matchmaking (in the case of an eliminated player without incentive to compete plays a personal friend or teammate that has a chance to advance).
This is their responsibility as an organization that earns money creating events in which professional players play, and when they do not follow them they can and should be sued by anyone and everyone they offend by doing so.
I wonder what answer they would give when a lawsuit explains this to them. Probably not "you got no clue".
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On December 14 2011 22:46 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:45 ChowChillaCharlie wrote:I think suspending was taking it waaay too far, a warning would've been sufficient for something as trivial as not wanting to play a game that had absolutely no meaning to it. But this is what pisses me off the most: "Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment" Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, kicking out NaNi cuz he ain't proffesional enough and then lower yourself to trash talking and lying.... Nice move GOM. It has meaning when you paid him $840 just to show up and play games to please viewers.
Nobody was displeased at the 6 probe rush. I would gather most people who don't irrationally hate Naniwa found it funny, while others, like Idra; understood the rationale for his behavior. I can't even begin to imagine the "offended" mindset, I really can't.
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On December 14 2011 22:37 Incomplet wrote:Poll: Did GOM make the right decision with Naniwa?No (170) 51% Yes, justice must be served! (123) 37% He needs to be punished but they went too far (42) 13% 335 total votes Your vote: Did GOM make the right decision with Naniwa? (Vote): Yes, justice must be served!
(Vote): He needs to be punished but they went too far
(Vote): No
Interesting poll, reading the thread it felt like people agreeing with GOM were in the majority
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On December 14 2011 22:45 DigitalisDestructi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:44 Xax wrote:On December 14 2011 22:42 Vardant wrote:On December 14 2011 22:41 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 22:40 Vardant wrote:On December 14 2011 22:37 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 22:36 Algol wrote:
This is such a bad decision by GOM. Had he just cannon-rushed or used any other super quick cheese no one would have have cared but the end result of the game would have been the same.
In many foreigner tournaments players forfeit games all the time (Stefano 6pools cloud twice in a row at dreamhack, Idra forfeited all his group stage games at IPL). To me this seems like a culture difference between the Korean and foreigner starcraft community. GOM needs to specify rules against this kind of things beforehand, not punishing players who may not even be that familiar with the unspoken "Korean way of a progamer".
To revoke Naniwa's code S spot is more of a spit in the face of the foreigner community by GOM. Naniwa is forced to play a meaningless match, which he at any foreigner tournament would have just forfeited.
Anyone know a good way to reach out to GOM and let them know my/our discontent with this decision? Once again, he never had a fucking Code S spot to begin with. So MLG casters, staff and even Tasteless is not enough to prove you otherwise? You're a lost cause... The fact that I don't see any up-and-down invites tells me that GOM has proven them all wrong. How is that tied to Code S seeds? It isn't, you're just grasping at straws. MLG-GSL Exchange. Exchange. Exchange. Were there Korean invites for MLG Providence?
Yes there were, the 3 champions(MVP, MMA, Bomber) from the exchange program got flown over to providence via the exchange program as was originally decided.
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On December 14 2011 22:42 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:41 drinkpepsi wrote:On December 14 2011 22:40 baoluvboa wrote:On December 14 2011 22:39 drinkpepsi wrote:On December 14 2011 22:35 Hubris wrote:
Am I the only one reading some the racist, ignorant, and BM posts by people "boycotting" GOM's events feeling happy that these sort of people aren't going to be in the audience? I think I'm more inclined to buy tickets knowing that the fan base should be more mature than usual. I find it ironic many people here acting a fool are just as BM as Naniwa's actions at that, and previous tournies. The real irony here is that the biggest perpetrator of racism in this instance is GOM. How does this even make sense.. From past precedents, Korean players are treated just as harshly. No, they are not. And here's the thing; Naniwa didn't actually break rules. People have posted tons of incidents in this thread where a Korean actually broke the rules and wasn't punished. Naniwa 6 probe rushed. He used a bad strategy. Are we to ban incontrol from every tournament? There is not one incident where a Korean hasnt been punished. Maybe not by GOM but that is because their teams dealt with it and took them out of GSL before GOM could.
Oh really ?
On December 14 2011 21:54 zanga wrote:
*Ban MC from all the (seemingly FUNNY, previously that is) things he's done. Including Thumbs down, Dancing outside the booth, Waving his finger at the camera.. and many more.
*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over.
*Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around.
*Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything?
..more examples?
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On December 14 2011 22:40 Focuspants wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:24 archonOOid wrote:
why wasn't his team-mate SaSe offered the code S spot or his fellow countryman Morrow? Feels like GOM might hold a grudge vs swedes... I might contact the local embassy to see whether that's the case. It also feels like GOM tried to set naniwa up because they know that he has a temper. I could go on and on about GOM/GSL and I have to say that they are conducting their business very fishy. What the fuck is with all these racism claims. Is the world full of this many batshit crazy people? Jinro lived with Koreans, and is highly respected. GOM invites Nani to Blizz cup in the first place. If they were racist, why would they even do that. For christ sake people give your head a shake. Mr Chae and GOM have done a shit load of work to get the foreign community involved in the GSL. To even be throwing claims like racism out over an immature players horrible behavious is ludicrous.
Mr. Chae has a history of being condescendent when it comes to foreigners. The whole exchange program is a pure business thing, the guy does NOT stand a chance of getting my sympathies for this kind of decision. He needed foreigners to gain viewers, massively. Now he's just getting pissed because they don't hold up to his purely Asian standards of respect, probably even a purely Korean one when it comes to Starcraft. This is the GLOBAL Starcraft II League. Do not get pissed because people come from a background where this shit is not that big of a deal when you don't have absolutely clear rules about it. Warn him and make a rule afterwards. How hard is that?
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On December 14 2011 22:44 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:41 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 22:40 Vardant wrote:On December 14 2011 22:37 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 22:36 Algol wrote:
This is such a bad decision by GOM. Had he just cannon-rushed or used any other super quick cheese no one would have have cared but the end result of the game would have been the same.
In many foreigner tournaments players forfeit games all the time (Stefano 6pools cloud twice in a row at dreamhack, Idra forfeited all his group stage games at IPL). To me this seems like a culture difference between the Korean and foreigner starcraft community. GOM needs to specify rules against this kind of things beforehand, not punishing players who may not even be that familiar with the unspoken "Korean way of a progamer".
To revoke Naniwa's code S spot is more of a spit in the face of the foreigner community by GOM. Naniwa is forced to play a meaningless match, which he at any foreigner tournament would have just forfeited.
Anyone know a good way to reach out to GOM and let them know my/our discontent with this decision? Once again, he never had a fucking Code S spot to begin with. So MLG casters, staff and even Tasteless is not enough to prove you otherwise? You're a lost cause... The fact that I don't see any up-and-down invites tells me that GOM has proven them all wrong. "- At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: - Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. - Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players." http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program/Seems like there was miss commincation between the two companies or GSL has changed their rules. Tweet Sunny D guys, he will probably do something about this and give us word on the matter.
Not really. Loot down further
- MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
So we know that "Pro Circuit Live Competition" excludes Providence.
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The most curious experiment would be for another pro to do this in the US or EU, such as at MLG, IEM, DreamHack, etc., and see if those tournament organizers are any more forgiving and think it's funny that a prominent invitee decides to go on tilt and probe rush.
I doubt it.
For the "rules" people, uh, you don't have to break any rules to get punished at your job if you're a professional. If you tell your boss to go screw himself, you aren't breaking any rules but you're going to get punished and there's nothing anyone will do to help you.
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Everyone who thinks this is the wrong decision, this is pretty simple. Many people paid real money to watch that match between Naniwa and Nestea and Naniwa fucked them over. He acts like a child and so he's being punished like a child.
Grow up Nani.
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On December 14 2011 22:21 Starcraftmazter wrote:What is most troubling to me, is that most people are completely missing the key issues here. My email to GOM: Show nested quote +Hello A few days ago, I purchased the GSL Premium Yearly Ticket (My account email address is the same as this and the same one as my PayPal account for verification). I am very unhappy with your completely unprofessional decision to punish Naniwa for doing nothing wrong against the rules, quite arbitrarily - while not punishing any Korean player, ever for any sort of "misbehavior". In particular the rule you are using as justification in regards to disrespect and offence of players can be used in many instances. For instance, in some GSTL, oGsMC went over and banged the both of his enemy player before the game. This is easily both offensive and disrespectful - yet no action was taken. This is but one prominent example, and I am not suggesting any action should have been taken; rather I am pointing out the unprofessional arbitrary enforcement of that rule, which seems to be applied against foreigners only. Furthermore, I find the insulting slur of "Mr Chae" on Naniwa very unprofessional and ill conceived, this along with other previous events clearly shows your bias against non-Korean players and casters. Overall, I am rather angered by the precedent that this sets, allowing GoMTV to disqualify, remove and otherwise take action against players based entirely on what you believe to be some form of bad play. Looking back at Blizzard Cup, LiquidHero also played very poorly (but unlike Naniwai who showed very impressive games, I would say all of Hero's games were very bad), and his last two games especially were very amateur in nature, as he stopped trying. This is not an objective matter either, and in particular in Hero's game against DRG, he have DRG a win - in a game which *actually mattered* to the outcome of the tournament, whereas the game between Naniwa and Nestea did not. I do not see any action taken again Hero for this? And I am a fan of Hero, but I am merely pointing out the double standards which exists in the GSL with Korean and non-Korean players. I cannot understand why you think the foreign audience doesn't see this - do you take us all for fools? My question is, where do you draw the line? What gives you the right to draw it arbitrarily so? And at what stage can a player be kicked out for cheesing? Why are certain types of cheese ok (like 6pool) whereas others not? Naniwai could have just as easily 4gated or cannon rushed and lost - all that would have achieved is wasting more of everyone's time. I would argue that in not wasting said time that Naniwai actually has far more respect for viewers and fans than you do, so I find your decision very arbitrary and reckless. Why for instance was BitbybitPrime not punished using this very same rule? Naniwa works extremely hard, practising more than the vast majority of players (Korean and non-Korean alike) to play the best games for his fans. This is more than I can say about what BitbyBit did - and the same goes for many other players over time. To then be punished and be insulted like so, is extremely unjustifiable. You clearly do not understand that people are all different, and some get quite emotional in some situations. Next is the issue of MLG seeds into GSL code S. You have now broken your partnership with MLG, as you have failed to keep your end of the bargain. This is a further slap in the face to foreigners and foreign tournaments. Even if Naniwa's seed eventually gets replaced by another foreigner, that doesn't change the fact that you are illegitimising a foreign tournament by taking away it's right to seed a player into GSL Code S, and instead stealing that decision for yourselves. It has also come to my attention that you have deleted comments you have made about revoking Naniwai's code S seed claiming he never had it. This does not exactly add to your credibility, as it is not exactly a secret that he did. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programThe rules are stated very clearly, he earned his code S spot in Providence. I am unsure why you would try to claim he did not - again, do you take foreigners for complete idiots? You must understand, at this stage this is far beyond the Naniwa vs Nestea game. Now the bias of GomTV against foreigners as well as the behaviour of the tournament organisers to do whatever they want regardless of the rules is put in question. Furthermore on that note, you have taken a complete lack of responsibility for designing a tournament system which allows for meaningless games that don't have any result on any outcome. In conclusion, I am very displeased with this. I have supported the GSL and payed for virtually every season and event single since I first learned about it in 2010. Even these days, I end up defending GomTV from all the bad comments about the stream quality being far worse than MLG and Dreamhack - even on "HD". I really love Tastosis and always tune in to watch them cast regardless of who's playing. But this is really the last straw for me, I cannot possibly support you any longer as it seems to me that you have lost your integrity. Unless you plan to fully reverse your decision to take Naniwai's code S spot, or hand out any meaningful punishment in general (perhaps you can make it as meaningless as the game for which he was punished?), I request a full refund. If this refund is not given, or this email disregarded, I will take it up with PayPal. As the year 2012 has not even started yet, I am sure there is zero argument against getting a full refund. Lastly, being a long-term supporter, I appreciate this email be passed to some form of management so that my feelings be conveyed to them - as I believe I have made a lot of good arguments, which really deserve to be thought about by the management of the GSL. Thank You ---
Very well put.
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On December 14 2011 22:45 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:44 GodZo wrote:
I disagree with GOM this time.
1) What about "Mules Throws" at the end of game?
2) What about many games thrown in less evident mode.
What about Stephano vs Cloud in DreamHack? Stephano didn't throw his games? This is just an example
Caution! Big money can ruin a game. SC2 is always a game, and that specific match was not important for most people.
I think is much worse when one player lose, simulating to play normally. This happens, this is a game, the other question is:
3) Could be a right of a player, to waste a match? or simply one player could not to play at his best.
I disapproved the rush of Naniwa but really was not important for the tourmanet and it was an entertaining match, very funny.
I hope GOM tolerate more in future, that remains a game. That match was not important, and Naniwa has not done anything serious.
In the end.
Just Naniwa played a bad strategy, that's all. When you pay someone $840 just to show up and play games for a tournament you'd at least expect them to play them out in full.
QFT
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On December 14 2011 22:47 Inori wrote:
Can't wait to see GomTV take action on MC, MVP, MKP, LosirA and other bm offenders. Let's keep esports professional!
It wasn't BM, it was not trying.
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to be honest im okay with a punishment, but this one seems way to harsh... Like for instance why could they have not just banned him from playing for 1 season ( while still keeping his code S spot for the next season)
Stripping this opportunity is huge for a starcraft 2 pro-gamer, there is no guarantee he will ever get that spot back. This is more likely to discourage him and give him alot of mental issues to deal with further messing up his game. People underestimate the effects of the mental state players have to be in to play RTS games, for all we know COCA's career is probably ruined, now naniwa is on the same boat.
I hope he is able to bounce back.
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mmm to bad, i was thinking of buying a ticket to get some vods. Now i am better careful as they could announce any day that the tickets don't work anymore, just because they feel like it.
Just kidding i hate setting examples just because they didn't thought something through.
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On December 14 2011 22:21 Starcraftmazter wrote:What is most troubling to me, is that most people are completely missing the key issues here. My email to GOM: Show nested quote +Hello A few days ago, I purchased the GSL Premium Yearly Ticket (My account email address is the same as this and the same one as my PayPal account for verification). I am very unhappy with your completely unprofessional decision to punish Naniwa for doing nothing wrong against the rules, quite arbitrarily - while not punishing any Korean player, ever for any sort of "misbehavior". In particular the rule you are using as justification in regards to disrespect and offence of players can be used in many instances. For instance, in some GSTL, oGsMC went over and banged the both of his enemy player before the game. This is easily both offensive and disrespectful - yet no action was taken. This is but one prominent example, and I am not suggesting any action should have been taken; rather I am pointing out the unprofessional arbitrary enforcement of that rule, which seems to be applied against foreigners only. Furthermore, I find the insulting slur of "Mr Chae" on Naniwa very unprofessional and ill conceived, this along with other previous events clearly shows your bias against non-Korean players and casters. Overall, I am rather angered by the precedent that this sets, allowing GoMTV to disqualify, remove and otherwise take action against players based entirely on what you believe to be some form of bad play. Looking back at Blizzard Cup, LiquidHero also played very poorly (but unlike Naniwai who showed very impressive games, I would say all of Hero's games were very bad), and his last two games especially were very amateur in nature, as he stopped trying. This is not an objective matter either, and in particular in Hero's game against DRG, he have DRG a win - in a game which *actually mattered* to the outcome of the tournament, whereas the game between Naniwa and Nestea did not. I do not see any action taken again Hero for this? And I am a fan of Hero, but I am merely pointing out the double standards which exists in the GSL with Korean and non-Korean players. I cannot understand why you think the foreign audience doesn't see this - do you take us all for fools? My question is, where do you draw the line? What gives you the right to draw it arbitrarily so? And at what stage can a player be kicked out for cheesing? Why are certain types of cheese ok (like 6pool) whereas others not? Naniwai could have just as easily 4gated or cannon rushed and lost - all that would have achieved is wasting more of everyone's time. I would argue that in not wasting said time that Naniwai actually has far more respect for viewers and fans than you do, so I find your decision very arbitrary and reckless. Why for instance was BitbybitPrime not punished using this very same rule? Naniwa works extremely hard, practising more than the vast majority of players (Korean and non-Korean alike) to play the best games for his fans. This is more than I can say about what BitbyBit did - and the same goes for many other players over time. To then be punished and be insulted like so, is extremely unjustifiable. You clearly do not understand that people are all different, and some get quite emotional in some situations. Next is the issue of MLG seeds into GSL code S. You have now broken your partnership with MLG, as you have failed to keep your end of the bargain. This is a further slap in the face to foreigners and foreign tournaments. Even if Naniwa's seed eventually gets replaced by another foreigner, that doesn't change the fact that you are illegitimising a foreign tournament by taking away it's right to seed a player into GSL Code S, and instead stealing that decision for yourselves. It has also come to my attention that you have deleted comments you have made about revoking Naniwai's code S seed claiming he never had it. This does not exactly add to your credibility, as it is not exactly a secret that he did. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programThe rules are stated very clearly, he earned his code S spot in Providence. I am unsure why you would try to claim he did not - again, do you take foreigners for complete idiots? You must understand, at this stage this is far beyond the Naniwa vs Nestea game. Now the bias of GomTV against foreigners as well as the behaviour of the tournament organisers to do whatever they want regardless of the rules is put in question. Furthermore on that note, you have taken a complete lack of responsibility for designing a tournament system which allows for meaningless games that don't have any result on any outcome. In conclusion, I am very displeased with this. I have supported the GSL and payed for virtually every season and event single since I first learned about it in 2010. Even these days, I end up defending GomTV from all the bad comments about the stream quality being far worse than MLG and Dreamhack - even on "HD". I really love Tastosis and always tune in to watch them cast regardless of who's playing. But this is really the last straw for me, I cannot possibly support you any longer as it seems to me that you have lost your integrity. Unless you plan to fully reverse your decision to take Naniwai's code S spot, or hand out any meaningful punishment in general (perhaps you can make it as meaningless as the game for which he was punished?), I request a full refund. If this refund is not given, or this email disregarded, I will take it up with PayPal. As the year 2012 has not even started yet, I am sure there is zero argument against getting a full refund. Lastly, being a long-term supporter, I appreciate this email be passed to some form of management so that my feelings be conveyed to them - as I believe I have made a lot of good arguments, which really deserve to be thought about by the management of the GSL. Thank You ---
Are you serious? Do you even know the rules? Or are you just spouting nonsense out of your ass? It's a HUGE rule that you cannot throw a match, and any match deemed suspicious gets thoroughly investigated. Naniwa 7 worker rushed, took his hands off his keyboard and everything. He unquestionably threw that match. You think just because he's a foreigner he should be an exception? People pay money and spend their time traveling to the studio to watch great games. I don't even know why you Naniwa fans aren't even upset about it. Just throwing a game like that is pretty much a slap in the face for anyone who supports Naniwa, it means he doesn't give a fuck about showing you awesome games, he just cares about himself and his time. It's not worth to show you guys a game because he doesn't get anything out of it.
GOM being biased against? /facepalm, Oh god.. If ANYTHING, GOM is biased towards foreigners to improve their international base. How many foreigners actually legitimately qualified for Code A? As in going through Code B tournament, the ridiculous tough tournament that Hero, Dongraegu, theStC, etc failed many times before finally getting through? Like pretty much only Jinro, and IdrA? Everyone else failed. Yet we see so many foreigners being let in simply because theyre foreigners, SeleCT, Sheth, Naniwa, SaSe, the list goes on. They have spots where better Korean players should be, yet cannot because of how hard code B is. GOM even built foreigners a fuckin place to live for christ sake.
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On December 14 2011 22:46 Xax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:44 nam nam wrote:On December 14 2011 22:37 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 22:36 Algol wrote:
This is such a bad decision by GOM. Had he just cannon-rushed or used any other super quick cheese no one would have have cared but the end result of the game would have been the same.
In many foreigner tournaments players forfeit games all the time (Stefano 6pools cloud twice in a row at dreamhack, Idra forfeited all his group stage games at IPL). To me this seems like a culture difference between the Korean and foreigner starcraft community. GOM needs to specify rules against this kind of things beforehand, not punishing players who may not even be that familiar with the unspoken "Korean way of a progamer".
To revoke Naniwa's code S spot is more of a spit in the face of the foreigner community by GOM. Naniwa is forced to play a meaningless match, which he at any foreigner tournament would have just forfeited.
Anyone know a good way to reach out to GOM and let them know my/our discontent with this decision? Once again, he never had a fucking Code S spot to begin with. Pardon me but then exactly what is the punishment he's getting? He's clearly getting some form of punishment and it doesn't really matter if he earned a spot through MLG or was going to get an invite. Without this event he would be playing in Code S next season. If not then he's not really getting punished (which he clearly is). He's basically getting a warning.
That's one weird way of giving a warning. Are you suggesting he wouldn't have gotten a spot for Code S? Then why did gom use the words they did? Seems pretty stupid if that were the case.
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This is a.. ALMOST great decision. I say almost because the punishment might be a bit excessive, and there's some inconsistency, as MC's booth bashing should have been at least warned (And I say this as a HUGE MC fan), but otherwise, it's the correct decision. People comparing this to manner mules, manner nexii, and normal ceremonies are just blind.. Those things are for the fans, and for add to the competition, this just sucks.
I don't think much more needs to be said, but I want to address a few points:
-Racism claims are absolutely and completely retarded, unfounded, and disgusting. How the hell can you claim any degree of racism considering GOM has a close relationship with a foreigner SC2 organization, it has consistently given foreigners the chance to participate freely in their tournaments, even bypassing the hell that is qualifiers, they have also hired foreigner casters to provide english commentary, and have brought their tournament to Blizzcon. And no, it's not about money. Racism is illogical and irrational, hence racist people just won't do this kind of thing. Were Mr. Chae racist, none of the above would happen, not in a million years. This is obviously up to the mods, but claiming racism without a solid argument should be a bannable offense.
-If you don't want to but GOM's product anymore, that's your problem. So go ahead. I for one am even more inclined to buy tickets, since their viewership will take a small hit, and I'd like to help compensate for that.
-If you want to express your opinion to GOM by emailing them, that's OK, you're entitled to your opinion. Both this and the former point are to emphasize that you shouldn't be bashing each other for wanting to support GOM or boycott them. That's just being a forum troll.
I hope nani takes some lessons from this. You have to hold yourself to a minimal standard. There's one thing I'd like to say about the incident: Some people say Nani asked GOM to forfeit but was denied, I see no evidence to this being true, and I'd like to see some if it is, because it changes the situation a bit.
Overall, good decision, GOM.
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On December 14 2011 22:48 jinixxx123 wrote:
to be honest im okay with a punishment, but this one seems way to harsh... Like for instance why could they have not just banned him from playing for 1 season ( while still keeping his code S spot for the next season)
Stripping this opportunity is huge for a starcraft 2 pro-gamer, there is no guarantee he will ever get that spot back. This is more likely to discourage him and give him alot of mental issues to deal with further messing up his game. People understate the effects of the mental state players have to be in to play RTS games.
I hope he is able to bounce back.
They paid him $840 to give show matches, this is how he repays GOM.
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