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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:40 Vardant wrote: So MLG casters, staff and even Tasteless is not enough to prove you otherwise? You're a lost cause... The fact that I don't see any up-and-down invites tells me that GOM has proven them all wrong. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
BTW when did Probe rushing become against the rules GomTV made a huge blunder and unprofessional statement... "Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment" | ||
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drinkpepsi
United States16 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:40 baoluvboa wrote: How does this even make sense.. From past precedents, Korean players are treated just as harshly. No, they are not. And here's the thing; Naniwa didn't actually break rules. People have posted tons of incidents in this thread where a Korean actually broke the rules and wasn't punished. Naniwa 6 probe rushed. He used a bad strategy. Are we to ban incontrol from every tournament? | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:35 drinkpepsi wrote: Giving money to GOM doesn't contribute to the SC2 community. Giving money to GOM doesn't contribute to the SC2 community.Giving money to GOM doesn't contribute to the SC2 community. I really wish people would realize this. You just made my day. It's like saying giving money to an organization that always puts on shows FOR the community, doesn't actually help them. wat? | ||
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dolvlo
United States99 Posts
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Mirror0423
United States175 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:37 bkrow wrote: What an outrageous and ridiculous decision from GOM. Way to react to the knee-jerk responses from an online community. Naniwa said he was not in a position to play his best, so did a strategy that he thought would be quick and easy. The worst part is now GOM has set a precedent that allows them to decide how much effort a player must put in to avoid getting banned. Was Nani's build "unethical"? Yes. Was it wrong? No. I feel that players should be able to play the way the wish - no matter if it is cheesing, probe rushing or a long macro game. As long as Nani isn't actually cheating then why should he get punished for what he did? This is a pretty stupid infringement on Nani's rights as a player Then you would approve of a player who's "mad" not leaving the game, and just building pylons all over the map delaying the inevitable since that's how he 'wants to play"? Where do you draw the line? It's better to have a vague line than no line at all imo. I don't want Naniwa staying in a game after his main is trashed and his opponent has 12 bases, while naniwa just runs around the map building pylons all over the place untill he's eliminated. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:40 Leach wrote: Is it just me who doesn't see the reason for this uproar? Naniwa never had a Code S spot or did he? He did. But they now are saying he actually didn't because they just discovered we aren't zombies. G...S...L G...S...L | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:41 drinkpepsi wrote: No, they are not. And here's the thing; Naniwa didn't actually break rules. People have posted tons of incidents in this thread where a Korean actually broke the rules and wasn't punished. Naniwa 6 probe rushed. He used a bad strategy. Are we to ban incontrol from every tournament? There is not one incident where a Korean hasnt been punished. Maybe not by GOM but that is because their teams dealt with it and took them out of GSL before GOM could. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:41 Pwnographics wrote: The fact that I don't see any up-and-down invites tells me that GOM has proven them all wrong. How is that tied to Code S seeds? It isn't, you're just grasping at straws. | ||
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akomatic
156 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:33 nevercomingback wrote: i for one think that the system was at fault here. its like a game of a best of 5. if one player finishes 3 games first then the other matches wouldn't be played and the player wins. In this case, they were both 0-3 and had no chance of getting back or winning. That game shouldn't have been played. This was brought up in SotG. I don't think the tournament organizers expected this to happen. For around 10 years of OSL group play (four player round robin), a meaningless game came up maybe once per season on average. Although these games seemed to have more DTs and hydra busts, they were still played out in full. It seems to me that if a tournament is going to give you $840 just for showing up and $33,000 if you win, they have a right to expect you to take every game seriously. | ||
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drinkpepsi
United States16 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:41 Silidons wrote: You just made my day. It's like saying giving money to an organization that always puts on shows FOR the community, doesn't actually help them. wat? They put on shows for their wallet, that's a business. If GOM didn't exist, there would be something else. People need to stop using the guise of "e-sports" to pad their wallets. | ||
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Latty
Germany567 Posts
all these hypocrites saying "boohoo im not buying a gsl ticket now boohoo" .. really? i watch gsl since the beginning and i always will. there are the best player sand the best matches! naniwa acting like a dumbass in a format he should know = NANI GET OUT easy as it is. everyone knows how the koreans feel about respect and not giving up until the bitter end. and naniwa is just a douche for doing his own thing, explaining it with some bullshit liek " i was not able to play my best" .. ok naniwa then take off the GSL january and work on your mental state for tournaments. its not the players that decide if a match is played or not. it is the one that runs the tournament. and on the other hand, naniwa beeing a huge wimp for not even trying against nestea... | ||
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BlaCha
Poland743 Posts
You can play as You like and do what ever strats you like as long as You don't break the rules. When You host a invite turney, you can decide what players do you want in it. When You host a qualifier based turney, You have no influence if the player that qualifies is a dick or not, but you have to live it. I don't like Naniwa really, but I don't like the whole korean 'oh soo good and and rightous' scene either. | ||
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Woizit
801 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:40 NHY wrote: There is also a rule in GSL that says GOM can deny anyone from participating found unfit to be a gamer by GOM. As for point 2, he did offend both the opponent and audience, not much else to interpret from there. | ||
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vanTuni
389 Posts
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Xax
475 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:42 Vardant wrote: How is that tied to Code S seeds? It isn't, you're just grasping at straws. MLG-GSL Exchange. Exchange. Exchange. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:41 Pwnographics wrote: The fact that I don't see any up-and-down invites tells me that GOM has proven them all wrong. "- At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: - Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. - Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players." http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program/ Seems like there was miss commincation between the two companies or GSL has changed their rules. Tweet Sunny D guys, he will probably do something about this and give us word on the matter. | ||
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GodZo
Italy224 Posts
1) What about "Mules Throws" at the end of game? 2) What about many games thrown in less evident mode. What about Stephano vs Cloud in DreamHack? Stephano didn't throw his games? This is just an example Caution! Big money can ruin a game. SC2 is always a game, and that specific match was not important for most people. I think is much worse when one player lose, simulating to play normally. This happens, this is a game, the other question is: 3) Could be a right of a player, to waste a match? or simply one player could not to play at his best. I disapproved the rush of Naniwa but really was not important for the tourmanet and it was an entertaining match, very funny. I hope GOM tolerate more in future, that remains a game. That match was not important, and Naniwa has not done anything serious. In the end. Just Naniwa played a bad strategy, that's all. | ||
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GeNeSiDe
United Kingdom354 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:32 Mashmed wrote: They should fire who ever came up with the bracket system.. Games that doesn't matter will never matter. No matter how disquised a dumb strategy is. The sad thing is 80% of the community can't distinguish a walkover build when they see it so if naniwa had gone one base carrier rush people would be like omg he tried and it failed. You lack the level of expertise to determine what is a "walkover" build or not. Sure if its 0-3 the player may not play a "standard" game but thats perfectly acceptable, they will use that game to either 1. work on a unrefined build to test it out 2. try something flamboyant(carriers, cannons, spine crawler rush, W/E) to please their fans or 3. go for a quick all in and get out of there. All 3 of those options serve to "let the show go on" in the sense that the match is played, even if it isnt "ZOMG THE GREATEST SC2 EVARRRRR", it is a match, it doesnt matter for rankings but GOM, Blizzard and the teams pay their players to play every game they can in an event. Seeing how Asian cultures were more willing to be hit with 2 atomic bombs than to surrender I would say a obvious declaration of defeat and lack of caring about the game would have offended just about every Korean watching, especially the thousands of aspiring Korean pro-gamers who would probably chop off their dicks and eat them just to get the chance to play 1 televised match, especially a game where the only thing that can be won is to beat one of the strongest Korean Zergs on his home turf. | ||
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