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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:03 arQ wrote:
The sadest thing with this is that a lot of people in here don't realize how incredibly sad this is for Johan (yes he is actually a real person even if online communities tend to forget that). So, so sad for the guy.
Way to overshoot about five million times the correct response GOM...
No more tickets from me anyway, I have lost all my enthusiasm for GSL.
Good thing we really dont need Korea in SC2.
ya it's only where all the best players play in the biggest tournament in the world.
who needs it amirite?
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Deserved.
Byun and Puzzle lost their spots for the contraversy around their throwing matches but I think in Naniwas case it was more deserved. At least Byun and Puzzle played, Naniwa pulled his probes, took his hands off the keyboard...Thats not playing, its showing disrespect to your opponent who practiced hard to be there and it shows he has no pride..
I was a Naniwa fan - I always thought he would always go down fighting - but that display was pathetic and his justifications were just as pathetic. NesTea practiced hard all the day before and even well into the night despite it being his birthday, he had a hard night too but he fronted up ready to play a legit game..
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On December 14 2011 19:00 clik wrote:
Well did Naniwa break any written rules? Putting aside moral standards and respect, did he actually break a GSL rule? For example; "A player is not allowed to intentionally throw a match or perceiving to throw a match." With something like that I can see the punishment. However if this is just a matter of "honor" then I can't agree with this at all.
Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to expect a tournament to have a written rule that players cannot intentionally lose matches? It should go without saying that players are expected to not throw matches.
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On December 14 2011 18:54 Volrath wrote:
What the... This is just, insane. Matchfixers does not get punished (coca etc, their teams punished them) but a guy who throws a worthless game is? Not subscribing this season, fuck this.
CoCa "matchfixed" in a obvious way in a ONLINE cup where you couldn't win anything GSL related. CoCa leaves the game, but won the series anyway.
Many other players have "matchfixed" including Idra.
In particular Naniwas match against Nestea wasn't worthless, since you could get a better "seeding" for the next Cups.
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GSL is a joke lol...
Im kinda new and planned on purchasing a ticket for the first time but nope, never will get money for this shit in my life...
This is soo disgusting, seriously. If he says he couldnt have played a good game anyways and couldnt deliver a good show, then what is the point of forcing him to play?
had he just 4 gated, same result...
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I can't wait till Kespa comes rolling around when all of BW switches to SC2, GOM's decision would look trivial.
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Oh lol so he did break rules.
Well no way to complain now Naniwa fans. Break the rules you get banned.
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On December 14 2011 18:54 xza wrote:
in that case they should've banned bitbybit in season 2 for his all ins
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The reason most people are mad is not because it is Naniwa - people aren't saying he did the right thing. But GOM put him in that situation with their bad format. Yet they take zero responsibility and stack all the blame on the player saying he should just get in line with whatever they want.
This isn't KeSPA (YET) and he broke no rules. No matter how wrong what Naniwa did is in your eyes, you cannot ban someone who did not break a rule, because you in turn lose all of your own integrity, especially when it only occurred because of your own oversight.
Not to mention that this wouldn't have even occurred if he'd just pretended to 4 gate and lost that way. The fact that that would have been acceptable but directly refusing to play isn't is the real joke. You people calling for blood are all so happy to have wool pulled over your eyes that it's pathetic.
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I'm not fussed. I'm not a Naniwa fan mostly because I dislike his attitude, and this is just another example. Going to buy a 2012 pass for GSL anyway because one player doesn't make up the whole tournament.
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On December 14 2011 18:42 Niyanyo wrote:
Wow... I was about to purchase a year pass with the new model, but this is just wrong. It was as much or more fault of the tournament as it was for Naniwa. If this goes thru I am not purchasing de pass as protest.
Regardless of whose "fault" it is, when you willingly participate in this tournament, you know that there is a possibility that you may end up being put in a situation where you are obligated to play a game that doesn't matter in terms of standings. Just because it doesn't matter, doesn't mean you should just tank it. You see sports teams try their best to win, even if the game is meaningless. It's not only an issue about sportsmanship, but also one of giving the fans what they deserve AND fulfilling your obligation to not only the tournament organizers, but the participants as well.
What he did was shameful, and this is a deserved punishment - especially with the match fixing scandal in the back of everyone's mind.
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On December 14 2011 19:03 arQ wrote:
The sadest thing with this is that a lot of people in here don't realize how incredibly sad this is for Johan (yes he is actually a real person even if online communities tend to forget that). So, so sad for the guy.
Way to overshoot about five million times the correct response GOM...
No more tickets from me anyway, I have lost all my enthusiasm for GSL.
Good thing we really dont need Korea in SC2.
Not on US to console him. He's an adult and is responsible for his actions; if he thought his actions would go without consequence than my former statement was premature.
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I wish i could just not buy premium yearly pass for next year. I very strongly disagree with this decision, but but
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people way to angry about him being denied code s, i personally think sen has a better shot at going deeper anyway.
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If Naniwa was a prize money hunter why the hell is he in Korea, Much easier tournaments with money outside Korea. The Koreans got it wrong, this is so wrong!
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On December 14 2011 19:04 Bayyne wrote:
I can't wait till Kespa comes rolling around when all of BW switches to SC2, GOM's decision would look trivial.
Just because someone does it worst doesn't mean GOMtv made the right decision.
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IMO Gom is overeacting to what Naniwa did and not addressing the correct issue. Instead of banning Naniwa for probe rushing they should be asking themselves why he did it and start questioning their their tournament format for blizzard cup. If you guys insist on thinking about this strictly like a sport then think about baseball when its the bottom of the ninth and the losing team has already batted with no way of winning they don't play the last part of the inning because its pointless. In this manner the match between Nani and nestea should not have been played because its pointless. Should Nani get some sort of punishment sure but should he be banned from GSL season 1 I don't thing so. In addition I would also like to see GOM set up some written rules towards what can get one banned from GSL as just having general expectations of what players can and cannot due only leads to confusion and ends up with everyone looking bad.
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On December 14 2011 19:03 Valcristo wrote:
i agree with some people that this is deserved but not necessarily happy with the situation
you have to think that koreans take SC very seriously and its a HUGE part of their culture. so for Naniwa to do what he did, was probably seen as a major insult to all of the workers of GSL and Gomtv as well to all of the people who love starcraft there
my2cents
Ye Nani is totally not serious with this game.
Are you for real you dumb shit lmao?
User was banned for this post.
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On December 14 2011 19:04 Horseballs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:00 clik wrote:
Well did Naniwa break any written rules? Putting aside moral standards and respect, did he actually break a GSL rule? For example; "A player is not allowed to intentionally throw a match or perceiving to throw a match." With something like that I can see the punishment. However if this is just a matter of "honor" then I can't agree with this at all. Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to expect a tournament to have a written rule that players cannot intentionally lose matches? It should go without saying that players are expected to not throw matches.
It would be if the match meant even the tiniest bit, but this one didn't and naniwa shouldn't even have been forced to play it.
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On December 14 2011 19:01 bartus88 wrote:
Without a doubt the wrong decision. What Naniwa did was not smart, but excluding him for forcing him to play a pointless match does not make any sense.
GSL needs to recognize they are partly to blame for what happened. I've lost some respect for Mr. Chae.
I can guarantee you that Polt, Leenock, Nestea, or MMA would have played that game out whether it mattered or not.
GOM isn't to blame for Naniwa essentially rage quitting out of their tournament after he got massacred in his previous matches.
Naniwa doesn't have a professional enough demeanor to play in GOM's tournaments and as far as I'm concerned if he's capable of doing this once he's capable of doing it again.
GOM's call to make. It's their seed to hand out. If Naniwa doesn't want to play for it in the Blizzard Cup I know there are plenty of players as good or better than he is in the Code A up and downs that would've played out that match he threw for that spot.
GOM pays their players just for BEING in Code S, they treat their players well enough for them to tolerate a sup optimal format. the MLG has a worse format and pays its players less.
Good riddance.
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to all the people who think this is an overreaction and only happened because it was naniwa who did it:
imagine if a korean progamer would have done it, he would have
a) no gsl spot
b) his team would have kicked him out of the teamhouse
c) maybe he would get kicked out of the team completely
I`m glad that GOM didn't make an exception just because he is a foreigner! Naniwa learn how to be professional - which not only means play the game really good
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