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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
NeonSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States46 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#261
This is absolutely ridiculous. Players choose shitty strats to intentionally lose games all the time, the only difference is appearances and how many fans caught on. Naniwa broke no league rules and it's just an overreaction, the true fault is GOM's format
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#262
On December 14 2011 18:58 KwarK wrote:
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.


As you being one of the more intelligent people on these forums, I will quote this and sincerely hope people take notice.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
Luppy1
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore177 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#263
On December 14 2011 19:00 VonDarkmore wrote:
I did some re-search and I could not find in any of GOM’s rules that what Naniwa did was against even part of a rule?


You mean you need rules to determine what's right and what's wrong? That's kinda sad, imo. There are plenty of things in this world that are not illegal to do but completely frowned upon when it's done.
trancey
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#264
look, there are hundreds of other "pro gamers" who would love a chance to take down NesTea on live tv despite for what circumstance.

Progaming is about two things, being good at starcraft and having exposure. If you don't have exposure, how will people know you're a professional gamer let alone good at this game?

Every pro will tell you marketing is just as important as your high skill in sc2, hence why personalities like Destiny and Catz make the same amount of money as the other top pros..
jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#265
On December 14 2011 19:00 clik wrote:
Well did Naniwa break any written rules? Putting aside moral standards and respect, did he actually break a GSL rule? For example; "A player is not allowed to intentionally throw a match or perceiving to throw a match." With something like that I can see the punishment. However if this is just a matter of "honor" then I can't agree with this at all.



This I 100% agree with and NaNiWa is one of my least fav players keep in mind.
In the rear with the gear!
arQ
Profile Joined October 2010
1033 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#266
The sadest thing with this is that a lot of people in here don't realize how incredibly sad this is for Johan (yes he is actually a real person even if online communities tend to forget that). So, so sad for the guy.

Way to overshoot about five million times the correct response GOM...

No more tickets from me anyway, I have lost all my enthusiasm for GSL.

Good thing we really dont need Korea in SC2.
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." -Carl Sagan || Flash || Mvp || Naniwa ||
the bruvler
Profile Joined January 2009
16 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#267
So much for the ticket. More money for Christmas shopping I guess!
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#268
I can understand their decision.
There's a difference between not giving it your all and 7-probe rushing, just as there's difference between saying that your food tasted like shit versus saying that maybe it had too much garlic or some shit.
Valcristo
Profile Joined November 2011
United States3 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#269
i agree with some people that this is deserved but not necessarily happy with the situation

you have to think that koreans take SC very seriously and its a HUGE part of their culture. so for Naniwa to do what he did, was probably seen as a major insult to all of the workers of GSL and Gomtv as well to all of the people who love starcraft there
my2cents
ThaSlayer
Profile Joined March 2011
707 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#270
On December 14 2011 19:03 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:01 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:
On December 14 2011 19:00 clik wrote:
Well did Naniwa break any written rules? Putting aside moral standards and respect, did he actually break a GSL rule? For example; "A player is not allowed to intentionally throw a match or perceiving to throw a match." With something like that I can see the punishment. However if this is just a matter of "honor" then I can't agree with this at all.


No.

But that has nothing to do with GOM's explicit right to deny him access to their tournament.

According to another thread on TL, Naniwa apparently broke a rule about not offending the enemy or the audience but that's highly subjective, because he never typed anything solidly offensive, he even GGd.

To add on, Naniwa didnt even gg after his games vs FXOLucky
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#271
On December 14 2011 19:00 Asha` wrote:
Fine by me, Nani repeatedly seems to showcase a lack of professionalism.

Looking forward to watching the games of whoever replaces him =)


Sen replaces him so it's not that bad.

BTW, it seems that there actually rules against what Naniwa's did, as posted by TBO and CryingPoo in the other thread:

GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.

- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


If Naniwa is viewed as disrespectful to his opponent and viewer then it would be fit with the second rule, and again they can deny entry as they want from the first place.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#272
So ontop of kicking out a player who did NOT BREAK ANY RULES, or do ANYTHING wrong because their format is complete crap... I just read in the other thread that they have "Sponsor-paid" Code S spots now??

So EG or some other team can just pay GOM to put their player directly in Code S?

Wow.. GOM really doesnt care about putting the best players in the world in Code S, they just want money. Retarded.
Favorites: Moon, Grubby, Naniwa, TAiLS, viOLeT, DongRaeGu
IMMABEASTBRUH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States271 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#273
On December 14 2011 19:02 scatmango2 wrote:
Lol what a joke. He didn't break any rules. GOM needs to grow the fuck up, bunch of babies.


Actually, they can deny whoever they want without breaking any rules. A players' participation has nothing to do with if they have broken no rules.

Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
December 14 2011 10:03 GMT
#274
On December 14 2011 19:03 Luppy1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 19:00 VonDarkmore wrote:
I did some re-search and I could not find in any of GOM’s rules that what Naniwa did was against even part of a rule?


You mean you need rules to determine what's right and what's wrong? That's kinda sad, imo. There are plenty of things in this world that are not illegal to do but completely frowned upon when it's done.

For punishments like this, yes I would say rules are needed.
Mifec
Profile Joined October 2008
Croatia31 Posts
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#275
I can't wait to see him come up from code A and go far in code S and be like: "fuck all you guys!" in every interview.

It will be delicious.
vizir
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland154 Posts
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#276
Was considering buying the season ticket but this just made it easy for me to let it go.Though, will keep watching HD GSL through other sources just as this far.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#277
On December 14 2011 18:57 Weemoed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:54 MooMooMugi wrote:
Its pretty sad that people are actually not going to buy next season of GOM because of Naniwa being out, its their organization and their decision to make.

And it is up to the viewers to decide wether they agree with the actions from GOM or not. A bit silly to just say, 'it is their decision, respect it and buy a new ticket'. Not buying a new ticket might not show GOM a lot, at least it gives them an idea how the non-Korean scene things (at least partly) about this situation. Fact remains that Naniwa didn't break any rules of the GOM tournament, and that he has been punished for 'not being professionial', which is of course a stupid decision based on a single game. It is just KESPA all over again, and that is the last thing a StarCraft 2 player wants to see.


But what I don't understand is why the people who DON'T agree with GOM's decision will opt to not watch the entire rest of the season. There are so much content and better players out there. I wouldn't compare KESPA with GOMTV but I'm sure they have similar views on what is considered not being professional and downright disrespectful
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:06:07
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#278
On December 14 2011 18:40 imMUTAble787 wrote:
I love Mr. Chae.

Good job for having standards.

I agree. He has good standards. Both of his standards are awesome.

See what I did there?

On December 14 2011 19:04 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:57 Weemoed wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:54 MooMooMugi wrote:
Its pretty sad that people are actually not going to buy next season of GOM because of Naniwa being out, its their organization and their decision to make.

And it is up to the viewers to decide wether they agree with the actions from GOM or not. A bit silly to just say, 'it is their decision, respect it and buy a new ticket'. Not buying a new ticket might not show GOM a lot, at least it gives them an idea how the non-Korean scene things (at least partly) about this situation. Fact remains that Naniwa didn't break any rules of the GOM tournament, and that he has been punished for 'not being professionial', which is of course a stupid decision based on a single game. It is just KESPA all over again, and that is the last thing a StarCraft 2 player wants to see.


But what I don't understand is why the people who DON'T agree with GOM's decision will opt to not watch the entire rest of the season. There are so much content and better players out there. I wouldn't compare KESPA with GOMTV but I'm sure they have similar views on what is considered not being professional and downright disrespectful


I'd rather support the foreign scene, and let Chae know how stupid his decision was, and how wrong his words were, than view the worlds finest cannon rush or TvT finals.
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Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#279
Poll: Does naniwa deserve his punishment?

No, he does not (91)
 
47%

Yes, he does (81)
 
42%

yes he deserves to be punished in someway but this is to far... (23)
 
12%

195 total votes

Your vote: Does naniwa deserve his punishment?

(Vote): Yes, he does
(Vote): No, he does not
(Vote): yes he deserves to be punished in someway but this is to far...


Ok I am sick of people just talking about this.... Here is a poll to settle it
Whatever happens, happens
eakzor
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden35 Posts
December 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#280
GOM overreacting, whats next? Ban 6pool?
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