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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 19:00 clik wrote:
Well did Naniwa break any written rules? Putting aside moral standards and respect, did he actually break a GSL rule? For example; "A player is not allowed to intentionally throw a match or perceiving to throw a match." With something like that I can see the punishment. However if this is just a matter of "honor" then I can't agree with this at all.
No.
But that has nothing to do with GOM's explicit right to deny him access to their tournament.
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Is there an official source that he got completely thrown out, or that he'll have to wait out this season and start the next in the up&down / code s / code a ?
Would in my opinion be the best approach, to give him some time to reflect upon his actions.
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Doesn't bother me. Naniwa has no place in a professional setting such as GSL.
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This is rediculous.GSL just became a joke, for taking things way to seriously and taking drastic actions which are full with emotions. I'm glad i didn't buy a season ticket.
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GomTV is a business. People watch GSL to see the highest level SC2 games in the world. Even if the game doesn't matter, you gotta play it right. Gom is sending a message for their business. If every game that didn't matter was like this, they'd get less views because no one would watch the games that don't affect ranking.
In OSL Ro16 for Broodwar, there are sometimes matches that don't matter. Two guaranteed losers can square off, or also a guaranteed winner and a loser. You sometimes see funkier strategies and cheeses which is nice. But never anything like this. People still watch these games and it helps OGN. If all Gom games that didn't matter played out like Naniwa did, then these games would hurt Gom's business.
Sending a message. Though I wonder if there is a better way to do so.
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i dont understand the people who are actually defending naniwa, he is a professional player and hes getting paid by his team to represent them in tournaments and perform as well as he can. He didn´t even try to play the final game, instead he acted like a child and basicly just fucking quit, some serious attitude problem which doesnt really suit for a progamer and hes just fucking things up for everyone and gom can do what they want with their own tournament. his attitude is fucking alot of stuff for him... what kind of team would want to represent a player like this? quantic is gonna have a serious talk with naniwa
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Good on you, Gom. It's kind of sad to throw a game like that in what is supposed to be a great tournament.
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The koreans are punishing heavily for offenses (other recent situations have confirmed this). Good move by them imo, very unprofessional move by nani.
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On December 14 2011 19:00 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:
Eh....
Seems over the top; and i'm one who chastised naniwa for what he did ;/
Though, I think it's fair to apply the same type of empathy and understanding that many have done for naniwa for GOM:
He shit on their tournament and essentially announced he doesn't give a fuck about their effort to display him, his team, and his skill on a VERY renowned stage.
So GOM said "WELL I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU!"
This, I can actually respect. It's honestly hard to fault them for it. They really don't lose much with their decision - as well as retaining the respect of the korean scene that widely considered naniwa unhonorable.
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Anyways, even funnier, nani will prob learn nothin from this
I don't see how this is over the top. Didn't Rain get more than Naniwa?
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what naniwa has done is like pissing into the gsl studio. ban for season one sounds reasonable
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On December 14 2011 18:55 TCC wrote:
This is not an overreaction. If GOM doesn't ban Nani, they send a message to the rest of the players that "yes it's ok to throw games". I don't care how meaningless that game was, Naniwa chose to participate in the tournament, then he should play every single game that's required of him.
If only this didn't happen almost every season so far...
Just because he had the balls to do it blatantly as opposed to the half ass hiding it a lot of others did and not being korean he gets banned.
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On December 14 2011 19:01 Steveling wrote:
Ahh, justice is served.
Some people need to know what respect is. Mad props to GomTV for having the balls to take this decision.
Respect is not in the rules I'm afraid. You do not ban someone from a professional tournament because of morals.
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Lol what a joke. He didn't break any rules. GOM needs to grow the fuck up, bunch of babies.
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So ironic, gom bans naniwa for beeing unprofessional when he did not break any rules, talk about unproffesional...
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On December 14 2011 19:00 VonDarkmore wrote:
I did some re-search and I could not find in any of GOM’s rules that what Naniwa did was against even part of a rule?
I may not of found the specific rule that states he did the dirty but from what I can see he did something wrong/annoying but not something illegal tournament wise.
How did someone in GOM come to the conclusion that they could do this without making themselves look unprofessional? I think the correct course of action should have been “we are disappointed by what transpired in the Naniwa vs. Nestea match and therefore we are creating this rule to make sure it does not happen again etc” then they could all have a tea party with Naniwa shaped cookies and dunk them several times in their high temperature beverages until they felt better…
What they did was unprofessional to say the least in my opinion. I could definitely be wrong if there is a rule though then I would support what they did.
On December 14 2011 18:54 TBO wrote:
During the Open GSL seasons they had the following rule:
"GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer."
I'm pretty sure that rule still stands - and just isn't mentioned on their (english?) website.
not saying if I agree or disagree with the decision but it's probably that rule they are applying.
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On December 14 2011 19:01 stonetalon wrote:
well, i wanted to buy a ticket for the first time but maybe next time, pathetic decision.
naniwa's decision was pathetic and a disgrace to the game
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On December 14 2011 19:00 ThePhan2m wrote:
I bet Naniwa doesn't care. He still has a lot more work to becoming the best... and he is probably staying in Korea for a long time
He should care... I'd be interested as to why you think he doesnt........
Korea, and the korean scene, is widely known as they 'way to develop' for progammers soooooooooo
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I feel this could've been resolved if GOM would've asked Naniwa for a discussion/ gave him a warning, this is just stupid drastic
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On December 14 2011 19:01 vali wrote:
This is rediculous.GSL just became a joke, for taking things way to seriously and taking drastic actions which are full with emotions. I'm glad i didn't buy a season ticket.
GSL is a joke for taking itself seriously? Do you even realize what you just said?
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On December 14 2011 19:01 IMMABEASTBRUH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:00 clik wrote:
Well did Naniwa break any written rules? Putting aside moral standards and respect, did he actually break a GSL rule? For example; "A player is not allowed to intentionally throw a match or perceiving to throw a match." With something like that I can see the punishment. However if this is just a matter of "honor" then I can't agree with this at all. No. But that has nothing to do with GOM's explicit right to deny him access to their tournament.
According to another thread on TL, Naniwa apparently broke a rule about not offending the enemy or the audience but that's highly subjective, because he never typed anything solidly offensive, he even GGd.
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