Terrans vanishing from the ladder. - Page 33

On December 15 2011 02:20 eeizbee wrote:



i think this has alot to do with it. you basically can get into gold or platinum with gimicky 1 base play or just generally easier wins (such as banshee vs someone without great control). that being said i enjoy terran the least out of all races, when i play as zerg even when i lose i'm saying "man that was a fun game" with terran i get 10 minutes in and i am saying "please come kill me this is so boring"

On December 14 2011 10:20 NExt wrote:


Umm.. wtf are you talking about. Blizzard has said in the BlizzCons and other interviews hardest thing about balance is balancing for all leagues. Biggest example is the Reaper.

Everyone agreed there needed to be a nerf but the severe Factory requirement was for the lower leagues and team gamers, cause having speed was overpowered. Whilst the pros had control and builds to deal with it.

On December 15 2011 07:05 TheUnderking wrote:
As a micro-focused high diamond random player I find zerg is by far the hardest race to play. I don't see this huge cliff that "everyone" (that is terran in this thread) is encountering.

PS. Warden's 1-1-1 into terran death ball, (look it up) is pretty solid late game v toss, at least in my experience.

Some complaints I've seen numerous times in this thread that I feel are baseless:
"Feedback reduces our top tier units to half hp" ... EMP reduces all toss units in an AoE to roughly* half hp and the Ghost is a superior unit in every respect I can think of to the High Templar except cost. (faster, more HP, better unit type, has an attack, more abilities)
"Terran macro is so weak"... mules & macro orbitals are pretty good, so are reactors, and add-on powering is too (using the factory to prebuild reactors/labs for rax's)
"It takes BFH EIGHT shots to kill a zealot" .. Assuming assuming no upgrades it actually takes nine, but that shot could be killing 5 zealots at once.
"We've been nerfed so much" ... Indeed Terran has, and they deserved it. Balance in this game is far better than it was at the start of retail.

On December 15 2011 07:17 Stropheum wrote:
Actually 5 rax reaper was unstoppable - literally unstoppable. The roach range buff may or may not have fixed it but I do agree that the factory nerf and roach range buff together were a bit overkill.

On December 15 2011 07:18 Honeybadger wrote:


Your responses to the baseless complaints are very shortsighted.

Feedback does permanent damage and is a guaranteed hit. EMP has a travel time, a tiny radius, costs MUCH more energy, and does no permanent damage. Not to mention the unit attached to it has almost no use outside of sniping occasionally, and you need so many of them for EMP's that you're basically gimping your own army.

This also ignores the concept that our T3 units are rendered essentially useless, for all intents and purposes, by a unit that can halve the health of all of our t3 units, outright kill ravens, banshees, medivacs, and melt our entire bio forces with storm. That's just too much versatility, IMO. Our ghosts can EMP. And if we're lucky, get a couple snipes that are only of worth on one single unit.

Blue flame hellions don't hit five zealots at once. The line mechanic paired with charge means that your hellions will be hitting one or two zealots at most. And this is before the colossus, zealots, stalkers, etc. melt your hellions, while your tanks do basically no damage with such sad splash that nothing around the stalkers actually takes damage.

Balance is better, but some nerfs have been stupid. The reaper speed to factory nerf was stupid. zergs had already figured out how to hold 5RR, not to mention the +1 roach range in that buff would have made any zerg capable of EASILY holding the 5RR, but not necessarily making the 5RR overpowered, just aggressive and allowing terrans some form of map control while expanding.





unstoppable for about a week, yes. But by the time the patch rolled around, plat and diamond zergs were having no problems with it whatsoever.

On December 15 2011 07:05 TheUnderking wrote:


PS. Warden's 1-1-1 into terran death ball, (look it up) is pretty solid late game v toss, at least in my experience.

Some complaints I've seen numerous times in this thread that I feel are baseless:
"Feedback reduces our top tier units to half hp" ... EMP reduces all toss units in an AoE to roughly* half hp and the Ghost is a superior unit in every respect I can think of to the High Templar except cost. (faster, more HP, better unit type, has an attack, more abilities)

"It takes BFH EIGHT shots to kill a zealot" .. Assuming assuming no upgrades it actually takes nine, but that shot could be killing 5 zealots at once.

On December 15 2011 07:31 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I don't think Terran should be complaining about a race having too much versatility... Terran is fine, stop being such a drama queen. Do you forget how good the ghost is vs zerg? Not just toss. You'll get over it

On December 15 2011 07:31 TheUnderking wrote:
Honeybadger, I think we need to agree to disagree about a lot of things.

You're arguing the ghost is a bad unit, when it can halve the HP of every unit in their army in an AOE for 25 more energy than feedback which is single target with inferior range, on a slower unit, that has less health and a poorer armour type. You're also arguing that because the HT has storm which can destroy groups of low HP units over a 4 second duration that it is too powerful, whereas you ignore the fact that EMPs damage is instant.

I don't agree that Terran tier 3 units are rendered useless. I agree that High Templar are powerful - as they should be for slow, low hp units with no direct attack! If we were to follow that logic, Archons must be useless because a ghost can 4 shot them (emp x3 +one shot). PS. You can EMP your own BC's/Thors to remove their energy. It's also not very hard to avoid getting Raven's FB'd. since the PDD itself has quite a large range.

BFH hit 5 zealots at once easily if you dont lead the charge with them. They are also really good at sniping HT's. Sure you'll lose them every fight, but toss loses Zealots every fight and they don't cry about it or if they do, I haven't noticed. I also don't agree with your description of siege tank splash at all.