Terrans vanishing from the ladder. - Page 35

On December 14 2011 10:16 Kharnage wrote:
My mate doesn't enjoy terran anymore cause he feels they can be abusive and OP. He doesn't feel like his wins are because of his skill but because of his race.

On December 15 2011 09:26 jaminski wrote:



i feel exactly the same way

On December 15 2011 08:05 Scila wrote:


This is pretty much the problem. You can also add European and NA professional Terran players to that. The race requires a ridiculous amount of skill to play to the highest level, and right now only the Koreans have that skill. That's not a balance issue, its a design issue, where Terran is designed to be only fully utilized when you're microing and multitasking like a monster and still able to handle macro back at home.

So to all the people saying this is a Terran whine thread, it's NOT about balance. It's about Terran race design, making it hard to play unless you're the absolute top of the top player.

On December 15 2011 09:35 secretary bird wrote:


His "mate" doesnt exist he made it up to whine about balance and I'm not so sure you ever played terran, the campaign maybe?

On December 15 2011 09:35 secretary bird wrote:


His "mate" doesnt exist he made it up to whine about balance and I'm not so sure you ever played terran, the campaign maybe?

On December 15 2011 10:34 Xalorian wrote:


Actually, two of my friends stopped SC2 completly (well they are playing 2v2 now, but yeah.) because they feeled like Terran was OP, and that it was hard to actually know if it was because of the race or because of their skills if they were winning.

It does not automatically mean that Terran is really OP, it was just their view, but yeah, those people exists. Stop randomly bitching and calling people liar.

On December 15 2011 10:40 statikg wrote:


Who quits the game because they feel that their race is OP? Geez bronzies...I would never quit if my race was OP.

Really tho I'm sure these guys are all bronzies cuz thats where terran shines 3rax > everything

On December 15 2011 10:34 Xalorian wrote:


Actually, two of my friends stopped SC2 completly (well they are playing 2v2 now, but yeah.) because they feeled like Terran was OP, and that it was hard to actually know if it was because of the race or because of their skills if they were winning.

It does not automatically mean that Terran is really OP, it was just their view, but yeah, those people exists. Stop randomly bitching and calling people liar.

On December 15 2011 10:40 statikg wrote:


Who quits the game because they feel that their race is OP? Geez bronzies...I would never quit if my race was OP.

Really tho I'm sure these guys are all bronzies cuz thats where terran shines 3rax > everything

On December 15 2011 10:20 Roblin wrote:


talking about the platinum, diamond, and master level:

indeed, plat terrans dont have the ability to micro and macro perfectly at the same time, are you implying that plat protoss and zerg do have the ability to play perfectly?

low-ranked players wouldn't be low ranked if they had the ability to utilize most of the races potential, this can be said about all races, not just terran. in other words, ok, low level terrans dont have the ability to fully utilize micro, and they lose games because of it. big deal. low level zergs dont have the ability to constantly inject larvae on time, and they lose games because of it.

there is no hardest race, all races are played differently and the difficulty of playing certain races are incomparable, as there is close to no common factors between the races playstyles, and those things that are common factors tend to work in unique little quirks, such as: resources are a common factor, but the distribution of what resources each race needs at what time are different, tech is a common factor, but the tech trees are different, supply is a common factor, but zerg gets units for supply and terran can call in supply-drops, and so on, and so on...

a typical example of what I mean:
lets say we have a terran which finds it hard to win in TvZ since his micro is bad. if the terrans micro is bad, that means he will be matched against a bad opponent, and if the opponent is bad, that must mean said opponent is also struggling with something, whenever any of them improve in whatever area they are struggling with, that person will increase its rank until he faces opponents that are equally skilled with himself, and he will find that there is something new that he is struggling with.

in other words, the difficulty of a race increases at the same rate at which you advance in rank, assuming the game is balanced for all matchups, which it at the time is pretty darn close to.

I have a terran friend which is a league lower than me, yet for some reason claims he has trouble in the TvZ matchup because his race is hard to play. I ask him: "are you insinuating that mine is not? how arrogant can you be to trash-talk the player which consistently beats you even when you know what he is doing?"

On December 15 2011 10:53 Scila wrote:


That's not what I said at all. I'm saying that Terran is by far the hardest race to fully master. Obviously Zerg and Protoss players in those leagues are not playing perfectly, but the difference in skill between them and players of the same race at higher leagues is not nearly as huge as it is for Terran.

Just think about it this way: The things Zerg and Protoss have to improve to move up the leagues are mainly macro and decision-making. You won't have a Zerg player stuck in Diamond because his micro is bad. Terran, on the other hand, has to improve EVERYTHING to move up. This is why you have a very small number of Terrans (Koreans) who have almost completely mastered the race - > MVP, Polt, MMA, etc. Even the Grandmaster / professional NA/EU Terran players have not come close to reaching this level, which is why they are not nearly as successful with Terran as the Koreans.

NA/EU Grandmaster / professional Protoss and Zerg, on the other hand, do far better because they don't have the same insanely-high skill ceiling required to play their race at the top level. They've already almost reached the point at which they "master" their race because it's not as demanding. This is why NA/EU Protoss and Zerg players can rival the Koreans, and you see guys like Stephano, Idra, Naniwa, Huk and many other foreigners beating and playing on par with Korean players.

This is a design flaw because between about Plat and GM league, Terrans are at a severe disadvantage. They can no longer just make some bio with medivacs and "A-move with stim" as some people love to say. The amount of things you have to improve that, and learn to do very well is huge compared to the things Protoss and Zerg have to improve.

The amount of things you have to improve and learn to do very well is huge compared to the things Protoss and Zerg have to do in those leagues.