So, instead of infesting the Livereport-thread for IPL with this discussion, lets take it in here.
idrA, going 1-2 against WhiteRa forfeits the rest of his matches in group play, meaning that he will take the 4th seed, giving MMA and STC autowins in the group.
idrA's reasoning for forfeiting, is according to IPL, jetlag. idrA, recently home from China, has been traveling alot lately and has been having trouble sleeping, and has because of this, given the rest of his opponents in the group the wins.
From what I have read on Twitter, people are pretty split about this;
Some are completely fine with it, saying that it's fine that idrA is getting his rest, so that he can be at his A-game for the rest of the tournament, and is generally blaming the tournament-format for not giving group play enough importance, with there being no chance of elimination.
Others are upset that they won't get to see idrA play the games that they expected, some staying up late in Asia/Europe to watch his games, and think that idrA is basicly performing a 'real-life premature ggrackulation', letting his fans down.
I think that I love this decision. I'd much more not see his games today, and see him tired again tomorrow, playing incredibly shitty now, and then fighting semi retarded people and the Idra haters in the LR thread. That would be even more dissapointing
he's playing very well lately, when he's rested anyways, so I think its an intelligent decision, especially since there's no chance to be eliminated in pool play. i would hope his fans prefer he wins the actual tournament than get 1st/2nd/3rd in his group.
I think the problem is if more and more players start to do this. Imagine if all the foreign players who advanced in their pools decided to skip the rest of their matches. That's going to be bad for people who are attending the event, not to mention the event organizers who expect games from the top players.
Reflects on the tournament somewhat, a day of competition where nobody gets knocked and nobody is playing for their tournament life is going to produce some unmotivated players.
Im fine with it and think its pretty smart acutally. He would have continued if he won the first set, but given he is tired and not playing his best plus being down 0-1 for just 1000$ is just not worth it considering there is a MAJOR 100k tournament tommorow which is FAR more important.
And than given the schedule is totally fucked up and he should have been done for hours is imho a legitimate reason for not playing this out.
I cant really understand all the hype about that...
Well he probably would have played if the tournament didn't delay 5 hours. Could be wrong of course its a fine decision sucks for people who wanted to watch him (like me >>) but not a big deal at all would rather him play better tomorrow ^_^
On October 08 2011 11:17 VeryAverage wrote: I personally find it hard to believe considering he was up at this time last night on the player panel + LO3 instead of sleeping.
I'm sure IPL would have preferred him passing on the players panel than forfeiting his entire group.
Except he still had 2 matches left keeping him up much later. Probably with a much earlier day tomorrow too.
i like the decision. he understands that he isn't playing well and needs more rest. i want to see him do well and if he believes doing so will help him achieve better results then gogogo
of course fans will be dissapointed but i'd rather see him do well than see him do shitty
I rather see less games from Idra, but the games are good quality. Quality over quantity, considerinng how many streams/tourneys are running.
If i want to see 6 pools/bling busts, I'll go watch my bronze friends play.
The 'real man/champion plays' argment is fkn stutpid. People saying that obviously don't play sport at a high level and watches too many 'Rocky' type movies. For all intent and purpose, these games being played means SHIT-ALL. You're not knocked out of the tournament, and having lost a game already, means he can probably only come 2nd for $500 (?) not worth it to him.
Idra getting a lower seed also means he'll probably play a good player straight off the bat tm, meaning good games immediately. No problem for me.
Also, Group C did the same thing as Idra, no out-rage there. Get some sleep Idra, Jetlag is a bitch.
Don't see why people are making a big deal about this.
The delays caused Group C to have to stop virtually all their matches. There was no reason for Idra to even play the game against WhiteRa and as soon as he lost the first game he realized the odds of him getting the $1000 or $500 was so much lower he decided it's better to get rested.
I don't see what the big deal is. What's the difference between Idra forfeiting and Idra half-heartedly playing out the rest of his group games into getting stomped? The group play games are close to meaningless anyways.
Considering the players he would have to face STC and MMA. Even at full performance he'll have a tough challage. So better have a rest and recover for the remainder of the tournament. Also he was pretty much falling asleep whenever the camera was on him (in booth, when supporting incontrol)
On October 08 2011 11:17 broz0rs wrote: I think the problem is if more and more players start to do this. Imagine if all the foreign players who advanced in their pools decided to skip the rest of their matches. That's going to be bad for people who are attending the event, not to mention the event organizers who expect games from the top players.
Guess it means they should come up with a good reason to play the group stage. That was the talk all week, it's not important. Even the additional money they added, not that big of an incentive for a player like IdrA who is already well payed and has a decent bit from earnings.
I don't necessirly like the decision, but I don't argue it either. It seems smart on his part. If he already feels dead tired theres no reason to continue pushing that for another 2 bo3's. Hopefully he is going to bed and will be at 100% for the championship bracket.
Fucking bullshit. Why did he play the first game again White-Ra? Stupid excuse, he lost and got frustrated and quit. He acts like a diva, it's so annoying.
On October 08 2011 11:17 GenoZStriker wrote: Group C flipped coins. Nuff said. The group would have dragged way passed midnight with the delays.
Exactly. It's for seeding. IdrA is tired, I doubt anybody can really deny this given that he just flew halfway around the world twice in a week's time.
Give the guy a break and let him sleep. Couple that with the fact that he was supposed to be done at this time, not just starting the group stages and it makes sense.
It's very smart and doesn't really take much to understand his reason to forfeit the games.
It might be bad for the fans and viewers, but hey, the games got delayed for HOURS and Idra's games would have been pretty much done already if there wasn't any delays.
Ridiculous over-reacting again by some people in this community. Elefanto is a really good example here.
I am a huge idra fan but seriously! This does not really look good. Last night he was drinking on Live on Three" around 11, and now he is to tried to play.. I understand the jet lag and stuff but I personally feel he should have been trying to sleep instead of cutting slashers hair. However, it is not my place to tell idra what to do. If he wants to forfeit games, go ahead and do so...
On October 08 2011 11:22 Elefanto wrote: Fucking bullshit. Why did he play the first game again White-Ra? Stupid excuse, he lost and got frustrated and quit. He acts like a diva, it's so annoying.
Because it was his first game and he wanted one win?
Serisouly, do you think he would've forfeited if the tournament would've actually been on time?
On October 08 2011 11:22 Elefanto wrote: Fucking bullshit. Why did he play the first game again White-Ra? Stupid excuse, he lost and got frustrated and quit. He acts like a diva, it's so annoying.
Yeah, cause the falling asleep on camera is not proof, huh? He probably just did it to see if he had the slightest chance to win
Seems like a smart decision, if I was in his spot, and thought I had a chance at winning a top prize in the tournament, I would go for sleep after being majorly jetlagged. However, he might get knocked out early as a result of this.
No point in playing if you'll still be in the champ bracket and you are too tired to perform. Coming back to play at the IPL hours after coming from China is a pretty legit reason. He's not playing in this tournament to please people who stayed up to watch him or whatever. Totally legit reason IMO. gl Greg
On October 08 2011 11:22 Elefanto wrote: Fucking bullshit. Why did he play the first game again White-Ra? FOR THE FANS, which he's not under any obligation to do. Stupid excuse, he lost and got frustrated and quit. He lost, got frustrated at how bad he was playing, and decided to cut losses and prepare for tm, exactly what pro sports players do. He acts like a diva, it's so annoying.
No, he's acting like a professional sportsman with winning the tournament in mind. The group stage has no meaning, and $500 is not worth it if your'e going to risk your shot at 1st place.
On October 08 2011 11:22 Elefanto wrote: Fucking bullshit. Why did he play the first game again White-Ra? Stupid excuse, he lost and got frustrated and quit. He acts like a diva, it's so annoying.
Because he wanted to at least give an effort for his fans? I mean at least he took an effort instead of completely blowing it off. You are making a bigger deal out of it then it really is, the guy wanted to go to sleep. You have to remember he probably would of played through the whole group if it wasn't delayed for so long.
I can't understand it myself Puma is in the same team competed in the same tournament and is playing ok. I feel he will gain an unfair advantage playing less game, also he is letting down ipl by not allowing them to show his group games.
Personally I am pissed with idra and scoots for backing idra up. I am tweeting ipl and all of eg's sponsors and i pray he gets disqualified.
Didn't he say yesterday on LO3 that he was feeling good about playing today...? I hope it's true if it's legit, seems that he could just be covering up for bad play though.
This makes sense from IdrA. At worst, he will have to face a tough opponent in the championship bracket. At best, he can actually play competently. Floating 1k minerals and getting mutas? He already was performing the basic equivalent of a forfeit.
For fuck sake, play the the damn games idra. who cares if they dont mean anything, people stay up and pay to see you play, and this is your job. idra is being a piss poor professional IMO. SMDH @ idra LAME
On October 08 2011 11:22 Elefanto wrote: Fucking bullshit. Why did he play the first game again White-Ra? Stupid excuse, he lost and got frustrated and quit. He acts like a diva, it's so annoying.
Nope you just dont understand this situation. Idras chances to get the 1k or the 500$ are pretty slim after starting with 1-2 with these players in the groups.
So he has 2 choices:
1. play it out which means staying awake for like 2-3 hours to MAYBE get 500-1000$
2. Just quit and be well rested for tommorows 100k tournament
Pretty obvious choice for me at least.
edit: under normal circumstances i understand you might be more critical, but day2 has like serious delays and he should have been done for hours already. I think that totally legitimeses his choice here.
On October 08 2011 11:26 Ruscour wrote: Didn't he say yesterday on LO3 that he was feeling good about playing today...? I hope it's true if it's legit, seems that he could just be covering up for bad play though.
8+ hours delay he expected to be done by 10 he still had 3 series to play at 10, that's easily like an extra 3-4 hours
On October 08 2011 11:26 Azaiya wrote: I can't understand it myself Puma is in the same team competed in the same tournament and is playing ok. I feel he will gain an unfair advantage playing less game, also he is letting down ipl by not allowing them to show his group games.
Personally I am pissed with idra and scoots for backing idra up. I am tweeting ipl and all of eg's sponsors and i pray he gets disqualified.
Puma had to play through the open bracket to qualify. He didn't have a choice if he wanted to actually get to it.
On October 08 2011 11:25 turdburgler wrote: should rename the thread "idra goes to bed"
Should also include players like HerO, Select, Sleep and Thorzain to this. They did basically the same thing, with different reasons - decided not to play their games, despite the fans and such.
On October 08 2011 11:25 turdburgler wrote: should rename the thread "idra goes to bed"
Should also include players like HerO, Select, Sleep and Thorzain to this. They did basically the same thing, with different reasons - decided not to play their games, despite the fans and such.
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!!111one
But none of them are IdrA, so even though group 3 did it, they don't get threads dedicated to them for it.
He had the option, he thought it'd be the best for him. it's ok. whatever. problem is with the rules/format maybe, a smart player should make smart decisions off game too.
He fell asleep in his booth, I think it's pretty amazing even if he lost against White-ra. He played rather well. If he is fully rested we're going to see the IdrA that beat Puma. If he stays up and loses to PuMa and STC then he is just more tired and has worse chances. This is probably the smartest decision to do
why playing vs white-ra then? this is disrespectful - either not playing from the very beginning or playing the whole thing. would he have played the rest of the group if he won vs ra?
Strelok also came from china, was in the playoffs there and played his group YESTERDAY without moaning once, always smiling. Thats what i call professional.
On October 08 2011 11:25 turdburgler wrote: should rename the thread "idra goes to bed"
Should also include players like HerO, Select, Sleep and Thorzain to this. They did basically the same thing, with different reasons - decided not to play their games, despite the fans and such.
Wasn't this forced on them though, from the tournament? Or did they actually get together and decided that they wouldn't play?
I was kinda under the assumption that it was a tournament-decision, I might be wrong though
On October 08 2011 11:25 turdburgler wrote: should rename the thread "idra goes to bed"
Should also include players like HerO, Select, Sleep and Thorzain to this. They did basically the same thing, with different reasons - decided not to play their games, despite the fans and such.
Wasn't this forced on them though, from the tournament? Or did they actually get together and decided that they wouldn't play?
I was kinda under the assumption that it was a tournament-decision, I might be wrong though
On October 08 2011 11:25 turdburgler wrote: should rename the thread "idra goes to bed"
Should also include players like HerO, Select, Sleep and Thorzain to this. They did basically the same thing, with different reasons - decided not to play their games, despite the fans and such.
Wasn't this forced on them though, from the tournament? Or did they actually get together and decided that they wouldn't play?
I was kinda under the assumption that it was a tournament-decision, I might be wrong though
They all agreed that they don't want to play the rest of the games, nothing was forced. Thats what i got from all the statements/comments.
On October 08 2011 11:25 turdburgler wrote: should rename the thread "idra goes to bed"
Should also include players like HerO, Select, Sleep and Thorzain to this. They did basically the same thing, with different reasons - decided not to play their games, despite the fans and such.
Wasn't this forced on them though, from the tournament? Or did they actually get together and decided that they wouldn't play?
I was kinda under the assumption that it was a tournament-decision, I might be wrong though
THat's even worse, imagine a tourney that goes "oh hey shit, we don't have time for you to play, so we need you to flip coins"
As a probable idra hater I can say it doesn't bother me, I don't see any prob with it and personally dont care for seeding/ extended games/ champ brackets/ ect
That's what you get when you make group play worth nothing. He's gotta look at the bigger picture and make sure he's in good shape for the important games.
Group C flips coins for placement and people expect idra to act "professional" for these meaningless groups? money aside, why even show your opponents games for them to see to use against you later in bracket play when it matters, especially koreans who can break his fragile early-mid game.
people making way to big a deal out of this, if it was any other players people wouldnt give 2 fucks
On October 08 2011 11:25 turdburgler wrote: should rename the thread "idra goes to bed"
Should also include players like HerO, Select, Sleep and Thorzain to this. They did basically the same thing, with different reasons - decided not to play their games, despite the fans and such.
Wasn't this forced on them though, from the tournament? Or did they actually get together and decided that they wouldn't play?
I was kinda under the assumption that it was a tournament-decision, I might be wrong though
They decided they didn't want to play.
Hmm, I must have understood this article from IPL then
On October 08 2011 11:24 mtn wrote: I don't even know how this guy can have any fans... It's a mystery to me.
he whines alot about zerg being to weak and terran/toss to strong. so he has a big influence on the community especially for the zergs
people like to blame everyone/thing else rather than looking in the mirror or a replay. and with idra than can back up the balance whine because he is a pro.
On October 08 2011 11:25 turdburgler wrote: should rename the thread "idra goes to bed"
Should also include players like HerO, Select, Sleep and Thorzain to this. They did basically the same thing, with different reasons - decided not to play their games, despite the fans and such.
Wasn't this forced on them though, from the tournament? Or did they actually get together and decided that they wouldn't play?
I was kinda under the assumption that it was a tournament-decision, I might be wrong though
THat's even worse, imagine a tourney that goes "oh hey shit, we don't have time for you to play, so we need you to flip coins"
lol dreamhack
Also, for people asking why IdrA bothered playing White-Ra then... Obviously this is speculation, but his incentive to continue to play decreases a huge amount after losing that series. Odds of taking first for the $1000 becomes extremely difficult, and even 2nd place becomes an uphill battle.
This just goes to prove a lesson to all tournament organizers to add elimination to last place in pool/group stage. There HAS to be elimination or players see it as a joke. I dislike Idra's decision but I hope this at least made organizers open their eyes to the problem. It'll just be funny when group/pool play has last place elimination and people start complaining because it's too "punishing".
On October 08 2011 11:25 turdburgler wrote: should rename the thread "idra goes to bed"
Should also include players like HerO, Select, Sleep and Thorzain to this. They did basically the same thing, with different reasons - decided not to play their games, despite the fans and such.
Wasn't this forced on them though, from the tournament? Or did they actually get together and decided that they wouldn't play?
I was kinda under the assumption that it was a tournament-decision, I might be wrong though
They decided they didn't want to play.
Hmm, I must have understood this article from IPL then
"The seeding is clearly not ideal in any way, shape or form. However, Select, Sleep, Thorzain and Hero have been waiting to play or playing in high latency for something like 9 hours. It was unacceptable for us to keep them here waiting for them to play, and then forcing them to play after that long of a delay would be criminal."
"Did you ask them if they are okay with the problems and are willing to play?"
They made it very clear they did not want to play.
On October 08 2011 11:30 DiaBoLuS wrote: why playing vs white-ra then? this is disrespectful - either not playing from the very beginning or playing the whole thing. would he have played the rest of the group if he won vs ra?
Strelok also came from china, was in the playoffs there and played his group YESTERDAY without moaning once, always smiling. Thats what i call professional.
Rofl :D
Srsly dude, Idra just made a smart decision here. He didnt have a big shot for the money here and is pretty tired.
Btw yeah Strelok came from china but there are some tiny differences...he has the day off before the real tournament and played under the planned schedule. So that comparision doesnt really fit here at all.
Makes sense completely. No reason at all to play these games + how much hes traveled and if after playing his games against White-Ra he just doesn't feel up to what he should be I think he would either A. Give the wins to the rest of his group or B. give terrible games that no one would want to watch anyway.
I think it is a mistake by the tourney to make this a viable choice. Given that fact though, nothing wrong with IdrA doing what he thinks will maximize his chances of victory.
if they are true fans of idea, they'd support him in everything that he does. idra has good intentions to rest so he can bring home championship. i'm not a fan, but i'd support his decision for this because jetlag is really nothing to kid about.
Total disrespect aganist white-ra. So Ra get a 2-1 for playing, but the other 2 koreans get 2-0 for free. Classic idra bm. If he wanted to rest, why not give white-ra the 2-0 too??
On October 08 2011 11:42 esaul17 wrote: I think it is a mistake by the tourney to make this a viable choice. Given that fact though, nothing wrong with IdrA doing what he thinks will maximize his chances of victory.
I dont know. I think after that serious delay you kinda have to make that a viable choice tbh. Its nobodys fault here, they just had some bad luck and i dont think its fair to blame the players now for not wanting to play their games.
But yeah i think you still should give Whitera a 2-0 vs Idra here
For every hour traveling eastbound, it takes a day to recover from jetlag. I'm not sure if you guys realize how fucked you get from jetlag but thats a simple formula to figure out how many days idra really needs to be fully functioning.
I'd like to you see you guys function well flying from fucking china
I'm just going to say, this is going to raise the expectations for his games in the final bracket. If he goes out in the first round it's going to generate so much of a storm in the lr thread.
On October 08 2011 11:22 Elefanto wrote: Fucking bullshit. Why did he play the first game again White-Ra? Stupid excuse, he lost and got frustrated and quit. He acts like a diva, it's so annoying.
Because it was his first game and he wanted one win?
Serisouly, do you think he would've forfeited if the tournament would've actually been on time?
He did in TSL open (I think that was the tourney) so why wouldn't he in this?
Lol obviously he is going to do what he feels is best for him, and if he thinks this gives him the best chances to go far in the tournament as it will allow him to perform better tomorrow then its a good thing that he forfeit.
Get some sleep and be at a better condition tomorrow or play tired and jetlagged against Korean Terrans, and in all likelihood lose and be in the same spot tomorrow but now extra tired and already weighed down from loses plus builds revealed.
On October 08 2011 11:45 phyren wrote: I'm just going to say, this is going to raise the expectations for his games in the final bracket. If he goes out in the first round it's going to generate so much of a storm in the lr thread.
No, all this does is raise expectation from 'no chance' to 'chance'. He would've had pretty much 0% chance of winning if he plays in this state with no-sleep (even worse play).
You should play the sc2manager game, you'll see how important endurance is.
Don't blame him, imo rest>>playing shitty games, espcially when your fans are looking forward to your game. Plus in the tournament position, I'd rather take a worse seed and play well the following day then play shitty all tournament like other have said so imo it's a good desicion.
Lets be honest, the main reason idra forfeit is because hes playing TheStc and MMA. If it was any other foreigner he would have gave it a shot, but STC and MMA are way above his league. He doesn't want to bother with it when he's already tired and will probably lose both games.
Its very BM, but his chances of beating MMA/STC is rather low so maybe it was a better decision to forfeit and rest for tomorrow.
Decision makes perfect sense if he's having serious sleep issues. As someone wtih a very strange sleep schedule, dealing with jetlag and playing in a tournament can be incredibly difificult.
The fact that he was basically playing for 500 dollars coupled with the delays pushing the tournament into the very late hours means that Idra clearly thought it wasn't worth it to play tonight then suck ass in the actual championship bracket. I agree with him.
On October 08 2011 11:48 sekritzzz wrote: Lets be honest, the main reason idra forfeit is because hes playing TheStc and MMA. If it was any other foreigner he might have gave it a shot, but STC and MMA are way above his league. He doesn't want to bother with it when he's already tired and will probably lose both games.
Its very BM, but his chances of beating MMA/STC is rather low so maybe it was a better decision to forfeit and rest for tomorrow.
Sadly I think I might agree with this. I hope he does well once he gets rested though! Good luck.
Does Whitera's legitimate 2-1 get changed to a 2-0 considering MMA and STC get it for free? If so, I don't see a problem with him resting. As long as EG and his sponsors are fine with less exposure.
Part of me wants him to do well in the tournament tomorrow so I am okay with this. The other part of me questions how the sponsors look at this. Like to hear the opinion on the other players and tourny organizers on SOTG or something.
Also as said earlier, what happens if this becomes a norm in tournaments. I feel like the tournaments now have to input a system to punish this sort of behavior now
On October 08 2011 11:49 Resilient wrote: Does Whitera's legitimate 2-1 get changed to a 2-0 considering MMA and STC get it for free? If so, I don't see a problem with him resting. As long as EG and his sponsors are fine with less exposure.
The end of the White-Ra matches would be the end of the original schedule. If he didn't play White-Ra, he'd be bowing out early.
He's there to compete in the main tournament. A single round victory there is worth as much as winning his entire group. If he thinks that getting rest is more likely to benefit him than playing higher seed then he should absolutely skip out on the group matches. I'm sure if the tournament hadn't been delayed he would have likely played out the matches but with the delays it means playing group matches could harm his form for when he is playing for a much larger prize.
Always thought his bm was a small sign of him having heart. Guess not, yawn im tired im just going to go head and take a nap ? Its cool the sponsors will pay for it, my fans don't want to watch me play even though "it doesn't matter". He's a selfish _ . How and why hes in the position hes in is beyond me.
Im not sure why its a big deal at all since these games basically mean nothing. Also I have family on the west coast and that travel from home and back is horrible and Im not having a crazy adrenaline packed weekend like Idra did. I was kind of shocked because hes a crazy competitor, I wish him the best with getting some good sleep.
I think that Idra made a very smart decision forfeiting. He just came off a huge win in China. Why would he put himself on tilt after? Good choice Idra. I am sad for not being able to see your games but enjoy Atlantic City and cheer on your teammates!
On October 08 2011 11:47 fAnTaCy wrote: Don't blame him, imo rest>>playing shitty games, espcially when your fans are looking forward to your game. Plus in the tournament position, I'd rather take a worse seed and play well the following day then play shitty all tournament like other have said so imo it's a good desicion.
On October 08 2011 11:54 ninjamyst wrote: what idra did is like a star baseball pitcher quitting early because of rain delay...
what idra did is like a baseball pitcher quitting early because he just threw into a homerun and has to pitch to the next 2 best hitters and would rather rest for the next game. oh and it is a practice baseball game before 2morros big game
On October 08 2011 11:53 Sufficiency wrote: So much for a "professional" gamer to throw games an disappoint his fans.
Basically, IdrA was losing, then he made up an excuse for losing.
"DANCE FOR ME PROFESSIONAL GAMER, I'M YOUR FAN!"
Absolutely dumb, the tournament was scheduled to be over, Pool C also quit early because they were tired, Idra arriving the day of the tournament from China, pointless group play for a shitty 500 or 1000 dollars? I wouldn't stay up for that shit money.
On October 08 2011 11:53 Sufficiency wrote: So much for a "professional" gamer to throw games an disappoint his fans.
Basically, IdrA was losing, then he made up an excuse for losing.
No, he was almost falling asleep in the booth, there are pictures of him almost falling asleep before the match too.
I would have been more disapointed if he played shitty games now, and you would too, if you were not an Idra hater(I accuse you of being a hater because it has been stated several times that he is was almost falling asleep, and you are completely ignoring that)
On October 08 2011 11:54 ninjamyst wrote: what idra did is like a star baseball pitcher quitting early because of rain delay...
what idra did is like a baseball pitcher quitting early because he just threw into a homerun and has to pitch to the next 2 best hitters and would rather rest for the next game. oh and it is a practice baseball game before 2morros big game
So why tire yourself in a practice game before the games that actually matter?
I say fuck the fans and get some god damn sleep. People who are mad at him for needing sleep obviously havent been outside of their basement and travelled. Its extremely frustrating and tiering to play games when you're jetlagged, not to mention the fact that the tournament was delayed by 5 hours which means he's been sitting around doing jack shit for hours upon hours getting even more tired.
Think people hating on IdrA right now aren't thinking about the situation from his perspective. IdrA knows that he can't win against two tip top Korean terrans feeling as tired as he is, so getting rest for the more important matches seems like a wise decision.
On October 08 2011 11:57 Vetrocide wrote: I say fuck the fans and get some god damn sleep. People who are mad at him for needing sleep obviously havent been outside of their basement and travelled. Its extremely frustrating and tiering to play games when you're jetlagged, not to mention the fact that the tournament was delayed by 5 hours which means he's been sitting around doing jack shit for hours upon hours getting even more tired.
No, the fans are mostly happy. It's the haters that keep insisting they and the other fans are disapointed because they don't get to see shitty games
On October 08 2011 11:57 Vetrocide wrote: I say fuck the fans and get some god damn sleep. People who are mad at him for needing sleep obviously havent been outside of their basement and travelled. Its extremely frustrating and tiering to play games when you're jetlagged, not to mention the fact that the tournament was delayed by 5 hours which means he's been sitting around doing jack shit for hours upon hours getting even more tired.
No, the fans are mostly happy. It's the haters that keep insisting they and the other fans are disapointed because they don't get to see shitty games
They'll take any excuse to call IdrA a bad human being.
On October 08 2011 11:19 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: Good decision, I'd rather see Quality over quantity. Rested Idra ftw.
Basically, i'm no IdrA fan but im sure Idra knows how he feels he probably wouldn't do this just because he must be really feeling like shit to do this. I blame more of the tournament format if a player can just skip his group play but still get a chance to win obviously somethings lacking
On October 08 2011 11:53 Sufficiency wrote: So much for a "professional" gamer to throw games an disappoint his fans.
Basically, IdrA was losing, then he made up an excuse for losing.
You show the ignorance and stupidity that comes with being a mindless hater. He never made an excuse for not winning here, he simply chose to forfeit his games to get some sleep which he decided was more important since his chances of even taking second would be slim at best. Also, with the delay today the games would go on for an insane amount of time for someone who is already sleep deprived and just hurt them even more the next day.
Why there is even a thread about this is beyond me. Had it been white-ra who bowed out people would be rushing to show support and people would go google jetlag to give reasons why it is such a good decision on his part. However, since it is idra, the biggest fucktards on TL come out to post.
I love this decision actually. I was so excited to go see IdrA play today, but yet again I realize (being on the East coast, and having relatives in China) that a 12 hour jetlag is not a simple thing to overcome.
Basically his choices were: go 0-3 in group + get good rest or go 0-3 in group and get flamed/hated and then not get rest for future games
It just sucks that he has like IEM -> IPL -> MLG right after each other
On October 08 2011 11:57 Vetrocide wrote: I say fuck the fans and get some god damn sleep. People who are mad at him for needing sleep obviously havent been outside of their basement and travelled. Its extremely frustrating and tiering to play games when you're jetlagged, not to mention the fact that the tournament was delayed by 5 hours which means he's been sitting around doing jack shit for hours upon hours getting even more tired.
No, the fans are mostly happy. It's the haters that keep insisting they and the other fans are disapointed because they don't get to see shitty games
When I said fans I meant the people who got really dissapointed and started flaming, then again those people arent really fans, thanks for correcting me
I don't know how good it would be if White-Ra had lost to Idra, then Idra allowed the others to take auto-wins, but right as it stands I don't think it makes too much of a difference.
Bad for the tournament, they lose 2 games, but smart on Idra's part. Can't say I'm a fan of the strategic forfeit though.
Smart decision imo. The big prize is on the line tomorrow. Probably a decision he made after seeing how he felt in the WR game then working out how much sleep he'd lose with all the delays.
If he finished the pool games and didn't do well then said it was down to delays and jet-lag we'd still see people calling it bm QQ'ing.
Good for IdrA. Its tomorrow's games that matter, anyways. Good for the viewers, too, if IdrA really brings it tomorrow being well rested.
And, c'mon, give the guy a break. He just arrived from China - what? Yesterday? Jet lag sucks. I get the feeling that a lot of people commenting have never gone more than a 2 or 3 hour time difference.
On October 08 2011 11:20 Klipsys wrote: I love how people have the opinion "IDRA ITS NOT UP TO YOU WHEN YOU SLEEP"
So stupid
It isn't up to him.
It's his job to play so he can represent his sponsors/team.
...but not his job to lower his performance in a massive tournament to increase his standing in an ultimately meaningless pool he has no chance of winning. I believe his sponsors would be happier that he get sleep and do well tomorrow than play a bit more tonight.
On October 08 2011 11:54 ninjamyst wrote: what idra did is like a star baseball pitcher quitting early because of rain delay...
what idra did is like a baseball pitcher quitting early because he just threw into a homerun and has to pitch to the next 2 best hitters and would rather rest for the next game. oh and it is a practice baseball game before 2morros big game
So why tire yourself in a practice game before the games that actually matter?
exactly my point, you shouldn't especially when the tournament was unfortunately already delayed several hours.
I am actually ok with it, since this is only group play. Yes, it sucks for those that bought tickets to see him play, but on the other hand, would you rather see him just play bad and quit?
He only has his team and sponsors to answer to i think.
On October 08 2011 11:53 Sufficiency wrote: So much for a "professional" gamer to throw games an disappoint his fans.
Basically, IdrA was losing, then he made up an excuse for losing.
You show the ignorance and stupidity that comes with being a mindless hater. He never made an excuse for not winning here, he simply chose to forfeit his games to get some sleep which he decided was more important since his chances of even taking second would be slim at best. Also, with the delay today the games would go on for an insane amount of time for someone who is already sleep deprived and just hurt them even more the next day.
Why there is even a thread about this is beyond me. Had it been white-ra who bowed out people would be rushing to show support and people would go google jetlag to give reasons why it is such a good decision on his part. However, since it is idra, the biggest fucktards on TL come out to post.
That's because people know if White-ra were to forfeit he must be on the verge of DEATH because White-ra isn't a quitter. Hell I would go as far to say White-ra would pass out on stage before he forfeits a match. Where as Idra has shown time and time again that when he feels he's at a slight disadvantage he throws in the towel. MMA/HuK/MC/Nerchio
I agree, its IPL's fault for putting little importance on the group stages, and it's a great thing that Idra will be getting rest, and (hopefully) in good condition for the rest of the tournament
It's a smart decision from him. After losing, it's very unlikely he'll win the group. Since the games are meaningless if he doesn't finish top 2, it's a better idea to make sure he's ready for the tournament
to anyone wondering ... I read most of the thread and I would say most people said it was a good decision ... I was afraid everyone would freak out about this .... gladly they really didn't
Idra played pretty terribly against White-Ra, not making poor decisions but in fact making no decisions. He looked like he was on autopilot playing a mediocre game that won't cut it at this level and looking nothing like the player who just won in China. He didn't react, mulktitask, expand, or do anything that that situations against white ra called for. I would rather see him rest now than play out poor games and possibly end up in the same place and still be incredibly exhausted for elimination play. Good Night Sweet Prince!
Sounds like a sensible decision to me, considering he was gonna play two Koreans at way below his best form.. Would've done the same if put in his position sleep is better than potentially losing two games and ending up last in the group anyway..
EPT
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