EPTOn September 09 2011 13:08 Alzadar wrote:
Did I miss the patch notes where they removed Brood Lords?
Did I miss the patch notes where they removed Brood Lords?
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Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 263
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
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Sajaki
Canada1135 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:23 Tektos wrote: Theory crafting, which units will be viable NP targets now? Immortals High Templar Tanks Ghosts Warp prisms/dropships to kill them (although, a fungal usually deals with these anyway) Any I'm leaving out? all air units | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:23 Tektos wrote: Theory crafting, which units will be viable NP targets now? Immortals High Templar Tanks Ghosts Warp prisms/dropships to kill them (although, a fungal usually deals with these anyway) Any I'm leaving out? Void Rays are usually a good choice too, as are ravens (Yay PDD for zerg). | ||
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
Toss: -HT -Sentries (maybe) -Immortals -Voids Terran: -Siege tanks -Ghosts What else? | ||
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Mayor
United States472 Posts
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Breadstick
United States54 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:24 BigKahunaBurger wrote: It takes 10 consecutive fungals to kill a thor. If they have about 5 of them spread out? Great spell. yeah you're right fungal is awful because it does poorly against a certain unit ... | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
If you let the terran go mass thor with heavy ghost support, you kinda deserve to lose. There's no way a terran can build an army like that without being heavily vulnerable at some point. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
that needs it the most. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:19 MrMotionPicture wrote: Mech! Rollin' out! NP is going to seem a little pointless now. The Terran part of me is happy...the Starcraft part of me is not really. But it is just PTR. We'll see how it goes! Can still NP the following units: - Tanks - Immortals - Templar - Ghosts (and I guess, ravens) - Void Rays All of which can be influential on a battle. Albeit, this is a significant nerf but there are still possibilities. | ||
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arterian
Canada1157 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:24 BigKahunaBurger wrote: It takes 10 consecutive fungals to kill a thor. If they have about 5 of them spread out? Great spell. Well, at least you know if you get the first fungal you're guaranteed the next 9. | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:26 Mayor wrote: You know, it's an interesting change, I'm not going to outright say it's bad, but it's...interesting. I don't agree with it, though. ZvP will just degenerate back to the one dimensional 2 base all ins from zerg every game, while protoss get's their deathball and just kinda wins. I think that making the infestors a horrible unit isn't the solution to the problems. Yes, because fungals and infested terrans are useless now. | ||
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:23 Fig wrote: Seriously?!?!?!?! You quote only half of my post????????? Here you go, this is the rest of it, stop being childish. "You can see what blizzard is aiming for. They don't want people solely massing infestors, which many people were, so they nerfed it to not be a cure-all. In return, they buffed ultras to make them a more legitimate late game option, and buffed overseers to detect the invisible stuff that zergs had previously been using mass infestors to fungal. They want unit diversity! If it turns out that those buffs aren't enough, they will give zergs more! Plain and simple!" I didn't quote the rest of your post to avoid embarrassing you. "If it turns out those buffs aren't enough?" Well of course a reduction to Ultra build time isn't enough. And telling Zergs players to just hold on for a month or three while Blizzard realizes how badly they've screwed up isn't intelligent. | ||
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doomed
Australia420 Posts
So go play on the PTR and stop speculating so much, help them test it, the data from people playing is the best way for them to know NOT to implement it if it's all wrong. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Infestors will simply become a less-reliable and over-priced version of banelings. What counters Zealot/Archon if you're Zerg? Or what counters mass Thors? If they remove NP, then they should get rid of the greater spire, and make broodlords a T2 unit. Or buff hydras. These things might imbalance the game in other ways, but if they make this huge change to NP - and don't give Zerg a different weapon against Archons - then Zerg will be broken against certain builds. Zerg is the "reactionary" race, supposedly, yet they have a really hard time hard-countering anything. And yet, Zerg evaporates so easily if the unit compositions aren't favorable. NP was one of those things that let Zerg actually be cost-efficient. Can we please just leave it the hell alone? | ||
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Nomad123
95 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:22 desrow wrote: zvt is easier than zvp when it comes to infestors because in zvt zerg cant make 30 infestor, emp does aoe burn in zvp feedback can be casted 4 times by 1 templar and thats if u dont get fungal owned by broodlords before that, you guys are all QQing way too hard, the game won't be broken ull still need 10 infestors ish to have a decent battle but ull need goo positioning and kiting with your corruptor to not die people don't understand that removing massive is good. now instead of protoss having to fight 2 set of tier 3 unit (our collosus archons) and the zerg's tier 3 unit, we just have to fight the zergs unit you said it yourself, 1 HT can feedback 4 times. that means it can feedback 4 infestors if it gets in range. if you have fast hands, you can feedback 2-3 infestors before opponent fungals you. HT and fungal are same range. spread out your HT, don't just make one giant ball and push. you keep adding "broodlord" in your example, so the problem to you is the broodlord then, not the infestors. | ||
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Mikelius
Germany517 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:26 Dalguno wrote: So, good units to NP: Toss: -HT -Sentries (maybe) -Immortals -Voids Terran: -Siege tanks -Ghosts What else? Banshees, Ravens, Medivacs? | ||
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Ravar
United States447 Posts
Not motherships, battlecruisers, or carriers though | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 09 2011 13:24 Belial88 wrote: You realize FG has to be chained, just a single FG is worthless. And Colossi outrage infestors, so infestors always die doing a 40 damage spell, and then there's blink sniping. There's also HT FB, and unless you clump them up all horribly or lead your army with them, getting a single FG off and losing 10 infestors to a 3 HT int he process, is not nearly worth it at all. Infestors are very versatile, but saying they should be removed just because of this is ridiculous. Marines and stalkers are also extremely versatile, and Zerg has no marine or stalker. What's more, is while infestors are awesome, they are just so hard countered by the much cheaper, much faster to get HT,which can be warped, counters what infestors generally come with, and you only need 2-3 to make an infestor army useless, whereas Zerg needs 10+ infestors for a sizeable, decent army. And baneling drops aren't good at all on stalker balls... any decent Protoss knows stalkers is the 'counter' to baneling rain. MC used FF to hold off ground armies and blink to deal with overlords in the GSL finals vs July on Xel Naga, and Liquid'Hero constantly shows on his stream how to own baneling rain with blink stalkers with amazing split micro (kind of like marine splitting but a shitton easier). A lot of Zergs also say Ultras are much better against Colossi than BL (idra, destiny, spanishiwa, etc), and Colossi are faster than BL, clean up broodlings, and blink and Vr can handle broodlords. 2 upgraded blink stalkers beat a single broodlord, or just 3 plain stalkers. Roaches and hydras are known to be horrible vs archons, broods dont come in time against even 3 base pushes, carriers actually own hydras. Everything you say is just so, so wrong, and it's obvious you don't play Zerg. I don't know where you think you got your information, but I'm a Master Zerg, and I'm also *not* trolling, so I have no idea what you are talking about. You also don't have to be so goddamn mean, if you have certain opinions that's fine, but you don't need to be mean about it. Chaining FGs is a lot easier than chaining anything else Roaches are horrible against archons? I don't even... what???? Carriers own hydras? Who the hell cares what carriers own? | ||
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McGuire72
Canada140 Posts
Now, for TvZ.... this is just gonna be retarded. As if terran doesn't already have 50 bazillion ways to cheese/one-base zerg, plus the formidable marine-tank timing attacks that work any time in the game, but now mech is going to be basically unbeatable. | ||
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