Ok guys lets think about basic mechanics.

What can hellions and tanks not do? Shoot upwards!

Ok so class, what can shoot downwards and is airborne? Mutas!

Have a think.

KangaRuthless

United States304 Posts

August 21 2011 14:52 GMT

#23

Terrible OP. Any decent Zerg will crush this with or without Roaches.

rmAmnesiac

United Kingdom185 Posts

August 21 2011 14:53 GMT

#24

one base tank hellion push in t vs z is unstopabble? rofl. get a grip, and learn to play.

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10366 Posts

August 21 2011 14:53 GMT

#25

I doubt you are high enough skill level to be trusted when you say this is unstoppable.

pretty deadly, all you terrancraft players should try this, insta win vs the standard zerg FE + speedling/spine/queen defense

This just shows your lack of game sense. Zerg can't build order loss like the other matchups. There isn't really a build order. The difference between a FE and speedling by the time the push comes is insignificant, and there can be so much between that time that can alter the situation the zerg and terran is in.

Anyways, large numbers of speedlings can work too actually, but it depends on his tank/hellion ratio I guess.

Replays... and no it's no unstoppable. Drone up, if you are unprepared then you were outplayed and need better idea of the situation next time.

Edit:

Hint: Since they need to hit before Mutas come out, expect them to be moving out at 10 as a general rule of thumb, and aim for that. They will need to slow push and deal damage before Mutas come out, so that's why they will move out 1-2 minutes before the Spire should finish. If they scan your spire, expect them to know when Mutas come out and prepare accordingly for his push 1 minutes before (he should be slow pushing, so you will have a little more time than that, actually more like 1-2 min).

Deleted User 39582

317 Posts

August 21 2011 15:29 GMT

#26

On August 21 2011 22:43 [7x]laV wrote:
im high ml league.

I think 1 base siege tank / hellions is about 9 minute timing, with 3 tanks. (I dont use such strategies so i dont know exactly)

I think he will have 3 tanks and 8 helions +-300 minerals (marines, another 3 helions, etc). Please post replay if im wrong.

but at 9 minute what zerg should have:
1)2-3 queens
2)2 crawlers or 1 crawler + several roaches
3)about 30 drones
4)About 2 tank shot range creep spread.
5)About 10-18 larvas and infestors or mutalisks building OR roaches + banelings buildings (depends on zerg style)

So, terran comes on your spreaded creep.
Because he is all-inning he cant just stay, he should attack.
And...He moves into the creep.

You just make 30 lings, take 3 queens, 2 crawlers and all drones from your expo, and surround and kill it. It is easy on creep. And of course it depends of map
gg

First of all, I completely understand OP's frustration. This build is used so much in NA diamond league right now. It feels pretty damn unstoppable to me as well.

First of all, the push comes at 8 minutes not nine. It's hard to scout because, if you do the old 7 minute ovie suicide, you're pretty much dead when he pushes a minute later. When the push comes, I'm usually at about 40 food, I've only just put guys in gas, and my lair is nowhere near done. So i've got, some lings with speed, some spines, and definitely not lair. And taking lair anywhere before 35 supply on 2 bases is a really bad idea, because you don't have enough drones to actually support it. I'd post a replay, but I'm pretty sure I get abusive in all my games against this build

I've pretty much resorted to ling / baneling busting every single game.

Edit: To everyone telling OP to get mutas, this terran build is designed to be super all-in. It's not that simple. To get lair out on time you have to stay on one base, which is suicide against pretty much every other mech build.

Shucks!

United States118 Posts

August 21 2011 15:39 GMT

#27

why not just build roaches?

Tommie

China658 Posts

August 21 2011 15:44 GMT

#28

I can predict this: Terrans are gonna dominate zerg so hard it isn't fun anymore. Noone can do anything about it. Everyone has seen MMA vs Nestea. Everyone has seen MVP vs DRG. Korean terrans are gonna stop losing to zerg. Ever. MMA vs Nestea is the future of TvZ.
Helion into marine tank. Keep pushing everytime you get two tanks. Once you have forced roaches with your helions its GG. Combat shield marines+ Medivacs dont die to roaches. They just. Dont. Die.
I think were gonna see a period of terrans dominating zergs.

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

August 21 2011 15:54 GMT

#29

defend hellion pressure. saturate and start a spire. spines SLOW the push, they are not to beat it.

keep a bunch of lings ready for a counter attack and to kill off reinforcements. don't fight it head on until you have mutas.

if you watch good zergs, they use speedlings to keep the T back unreinforced. They don't let the t get position.

Soluhwin

United States1287 Posts

August 21 2011 15:57 GMT

#30

Aren't you the same user who registered to tell people PvZ was imbalanced, yesterday? Please, put some thought into things. If you lose to something then chances are you just need to get better.

On August 22 2011 00:44 Tommie wrote:
I can predict this: Terrans are gonna dominate zerg so hard it isn't fun anymore. Noone can do anything about it. Everyone has seen MMA vs Nestea. Everyone has seen MVP vs DRG. Korean terrans are gonna stop losing to zerg. Ever. MMA vs Nestea is the future of TvZ.
Helion into marine tank. Keep pushing everytime you get two tanks. Once you have forced roaches with your helions its GG. Combat shield marines+ Medivacs dont die to roaches. They just. Dont. Die.
I think were gonna see a period of terrans dominating zergs.

So make banelings? Every time I've seen a zerg be successful against that opener is when they don't even go for roaches, and opt for banes instead. It's worked out for me too, so it can't be that hard...

GleaM

United States207 Posts

August 21 2011 16:00 GMT

#31

Yikes... I'm feeling the ban hammer coming down on this QQ post as we speak. But, I will admit, 2fact all-in on 1base is pretty filthy.

Krede

Denmark139 Posts

August 21 2011 16:06 GMT

#32

oh this isn't a [H] or anything cause i've given up on zerg and SC2 in general, gl hf

Pure gold. Please dont start threads like this, but feel free to submit a replay we can then discuss

Soluhwin

United States1287 Posts

August 21 2011 16:09 GMT

#33

On August 22 2011 01:06 Krede wrote:

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Pure gold. Please dont start threads like this, but feel free to submit a replay we can then discuss

Oh come on, this guy doesn't want help. He's already decided for himself that he doesn't belong in the competitive starcraft scene... and well, I'd agree based on the posts I've seen from him.