State of the Protoss - Page 16

On August 10 2011 00:40 Jesushooves wrote:
Read my sig for why protoss are so bad. Seriously, the metagame of protoss is 90% dependent on what MC does...

On August 10 2011 00:26 Heavenly wrote:


Because the suggestions are just as bad as people telling zerg to use nydus more back when they were in a rut. Use warp prism more? Use carriers? I don't even know what half of the people coming into this thread trying to give advice are talking about. There is no "state of protoss metagame" to change with warp prisms, since the warpgate nerf we have no ability to put on pressure so zerg drones freely and now takes an extremely fast third compared to when they built their third during the time they struggled. All gateway timings have been figured out so it extends into the late game and largely ends in the mid-game because zerg has such a massive macro advantage. Also due to the warpgate nerf the 1-1-1 all-in has made a comeback and been refined because four gate is now holdable (and an instant loss) due to coming 20 seconds later. The warpgate nerf also makes the expansion timing later than it could safely be and you have almost one less round of warpins to combat any early terran all-in, and makes 3gate sentry expand hard versus roach/ling allin.

The struggle of protoss nowadays is almost solely based on the extremely weak early game. PvP is a complete highlight of it, where if you lose one stalker you have now died to your opponent's one base all-in because every unit is fragile in the beginning and hard to reproduce. Protoss is forced into a defensive posture in the early game which allows either for extreme greed or an all-in that still exploits unalterable timings. There really isn't even much to discuss, Blizzard will eventually make some sort of change, protoss will just lose, or Heart of the Swarm will come out and make changes to the overall rigid protoss game design.

The best foreign protoss, Naniwa, and another great one, Sase, are in Code A now and playing soon. Those two basically represent the two best protoss not currently in Korea. So almost every good protoss in the world has gone to Korea, and so far none of them are doing well against the competition there. Naniwa and Sase are unlikely to ever win the GSL but we'll see I suppose.

On August 10 2011 00:40 Jyvblamo wrote:
Well now that Bisu is playing SC2, you can expect Protoss to be OP in about a week.

On August 10 2011 00:42 VENDIZ wrote:


..what?!

On August 10 2011 00:42 -_- wrote:
I think stargate is the key. Specifically mass phoenix. FE, I think the generic pvz opening on shak or any other fast expand maps should be double stargate mass phoenix.

Similarly, PVT phoenix can solve a lot of problems as well. Drops can still work (as Puma showed), but they work like they did in BW zvt; phoenix act like scourge and make drops suicide missions.

On August 10 2011 00:40 Jesushooves wrote:
Read my sig for why protoss are so bad. Seriously, the metagame of protoss is 90% dependent on what MC does...

On August 10 2011 00:43 Shiori wrote:

ok genius. name a comp that would work.

On August 10 2011 00:24 Olsson wrote:
Protoss doesn't need any buffs nor does terran need a nerf. Protoss needs to start fucking doing new stuff the only new thing they've done is zealot/archon but terran and zerg has experimented. Warp Prism is so underused it's so fast it's weird. Sure it's fragile but it's speed takes that, upgraded warp prism is FAST.

On August 10 2011 00:40 Dfgj wrote:

Unfortunately you're 100% right.

MC started losing to Terrans and everyone else is copying him.

On August 10 2011 00:45 Dfgj wrote:

Come on man, now you're just pulling an IdrA and demanding he name an answer immediately or admit total imbalance and impossibility.

I don't think he's entirely right in saying MC is the only innovator, but P doesn't really have a lot of other frontrunners in terms of showing things off at the high level.

On August 10 2011 00:47 gustavohmp wrote:
Blizzard wont give in to P crying just like they didnt to Zerg crying
Its like you guys think MC is the only protoss in the world, or the only good one
I bet that if Naniwa or Sase win their games tomorrow, you guys will be all like "baaaaw but its Code A"
And if HongUn, Alicia, or Puzzle make it to later rounds, it will be like "baaaaaw they were lucky"
Im a Protoss player and this thread is embarassing
You see P players on BW losing to Hydra timings and you dont see them complaining. All of you are spoiled and will only acknowledge skill over balance when all 3 races are the same with different skins