On February 22 2012 03:49 sc4k wrote: Yeah I'm not trying to single you out, you do have an absolutely marvellous body (which I wish I had) and I'm sure you're an interesting guy. I'm not trying to denigrate PUA rather just put it in perspective. And it seems like you understand the perspective because you have accepted their are other phases in life and different 'modes' people are in. It's just hard to reconcile that with your earlier statement that men who don't engage in this behaviour are somehow afraid or incapable.
Its an entertainment internet forum. I'm not going to list out my complete thoughts on life on a single post.... Some times I wonder how good I'll ever be. I get complacent too easily. Like I'm totally cool having an engineer salary and hooking up with 7's... and playing my video games and working out. Some times I doubt myself if I'll get REALLY REALLY good.
I think when I get to 90% of my peak PUA skills, I will have to work on building wealth, social status and social circle because quite frankly, when you are a millionaire in a rich social circle AND you have GAME, there's just going to be a ton of hot quality women around you. The problem is....it will take more than 2-3 years to develop, and I don't want to wait 10 years to get married....
TheGeneralTheoryOf and squattincassanova - you certainly know your PUA literature. Reading your posts seems to be an almost regurgitation of much of the community has to say. Though, it's a more black and white and probably more 'masculine' outlook than what Savoy would adopt per-say. Have either of you two thought about what you actually want out of it though? Perhaps I am misreading you guys, but the goal for you now seems to be to sleep with women. Pick-up isn't only about actually sleeping with women; no more than starcraft is about winning. In fact one might justify that the best element of pick-up is the fact it allows you to improve your inner-game, which can spread to other areas of your life. It seems many of the people I talk to are almost blinded by the sleeping with women aspect, and fail to realize that the literature out there is knowledge that you're able to apply within the context of your own life.
Don't take this as judging. I'm familar with the literature as well, I've just applied in a vastly different way that suits my lifestyle and what I want out of life. It seems to me that you're almost using these women as validation for yourself, and that is a step in the wrong direction. If I am wrong, I appologize, but perhaps you should consider what I've said. Your ability to pick up women shouldn't define who you are, who you are should define your ability to pick-up women.
Also again, rather than use this thread as bragging rights, why not use your knowledge to help others? The application of knowledge is the moral part of PUA, not the knowledge itself.
On February 21 2012 23:09 nRoot wrote: Ok are you really going to say that? lol..
In all seriousness, what kind of standpoint is this? I take it you wouldn't get into a relationship without knowing if the she "is good in bed" than ?
In PUA there is a term called Last Minute Resistance (LMR). It's one of the few parts of the literature I absolutely hate. In essence, LMR is a wall a woman puts up to slam on the brakes to prevent you from sleeping with her because she doesn't want to appear easy. The chief way of dealing with it is a Freeze-out, which is where you essentially get up and leave and do something else (mind games in my books, I don't do it). Although this term doesn't exactly apply to this situation, the basic premise does: this girl doesn't want to appear easy, but judging by her former behavior she's actually okay with sleeping with someone before a relationship. It's a paradox of women behavior. He's reframing the situation to make it more fun and light-hearted, and essentially making her "okay" with it. The fact he adds, "I don't judge" at the end there shows her that he's not going to judge her sexual behavior. It also turns it into a fun conversation later on he can use to build sexual tension.
On February 22 2012 07:15 Satire wrote: TheGeneralTheoryOf and squattincassanova - you certainly know your PUA literature. Reading your posts seems to be an almost regurgitation of much of the community has to say. Though, it's a more black and white and probably more 'masculine' outlook than what Savoy would adopt per-say. Have either of you two thought about what you actually want out of it though? Perhaps I am misreading you guys, but the goal for you now seems to be to sleep with women. Pick-up isn't only about actually sleeping with women; no more than starcraft is about winning. In fact one might justify that the best element of pick-up is the fact it allows you to improve your inner-game, which can spread to other areas of your life. It seems many of the people I talk to are almost blinded by the sleeping with women aspect, and fail to realize that the literature out there is knowledge that you're able to apply within the context of your own life.
Don't take this as judging. I'm familar with the literature as well, I've just applied in a vastly different way that suits my lifestyle and what I want out of life. It seems to me that you're almost using these women as validation for yourself, and that is a step in the wrong direction. If I am wrong, I appologize, but perhaps you should consider what I've said. Your ability to pick up women shouldn't define who you are, who you are should define your ability to pick-up women.
Also again, rather than use this thread as bragging rights, why not use your knowledge to help others? The application of knowledge is the moral part of PUA, not the knowledge itself.
On February 21 2012 23:09 nRoot wrote: Ok are you really going to say that? lol..
In all seriousness, what kind of standpoint is this? I take it you wouldn't get into a relationship without knowing if the she "is good in bed" than ?
In PUA there is a term called Last Minute Resistance (LMR). It's one of the few parts of the literature I absolutely hate. In essence, LMR is a wall a woman puts up to slam on the brakes to prevent you from sleeping with her because she doesn't want to appear easy. The chief way of dealing with it is a Freeze-out, which is where you essentially get up and leave and do something else (mind games in my books, I don't do it). Although this term doesn't exactly apply to this situation, the basic premise does: this girl doesn't want to appear easy, but judging by her former behavior she's actually okay with sleeping with someone before a relationship. It's a paradox of women behavior. He's reframing the situation to make it more fun and light-hearted, and essentially making her "okay" with it. The fact he adds, "I don't judge" at the end there shows her that he's not going to judge her sexual behavior. It also turns it into a fun conversation later on he can use to build sexual tension.
I usually do answer peoples specific questions the best I can. However, most of the thread goes off topic into these random ethical questions which really aren't relevant to the actual heart of the topic. At the end of the day, arguments are made and people go back doing the regular shit they always been doing.
I would say over the year, I have winged with about 30-40 people. I only see maybe 4-5 truly with potential... and these are the guys already going out. That's already the top 10% of the PUA wannabes. Spending all my time on random people on the internet... is likely to have low yield results. People will ask an obscure question, never go out, they never change. You got guys talking about last minute resistance and end game yet they can't even approach. Its like why talk about PhD math when you still failing algebra? You know what I mean?
Yeah, I am in the phase where I am hooking up with as many girls as I can. That's still the learning phase. You can't get comfortable with girls without lays. It must come with practice. Inner game changes followed by outer game changes. Its not something you can just think away and make it disappear. Lets say all your life, you consider yourself unattractive. What do you think fixes it faster and more efficiently.... getting laid with 10 chicks, or sitting in your basement praying it away?
I am at the level where I am really really good. I am better than a lot of proclaimed gurus out there. Like I am way better than Mehow and a lot of other sketchy coaches. I still think I am far from my end goal. I am modest by calling myself intermediate. Its all relative I guess based on who you compare it to. Right now... I am still in the phase where I am basking in my newly learned skill. Its like buying that new car and you still get that new car glow feeling. The novelty is starting to disappear though. I never missed a week of going out for the last year until last week when I got sick and I had a great time playing Heroes of Newerth at home for the whole weekend... lol. Video games are still funner than girls IMO.
On February 22 2012 03:20 Chill wrote:This is a pretty flimsy argument. The general population being healthy is based on much more than birth rate. And the thing you would care about would be birth rate, not sex rate. PUAs are not subscribing to that - trying to impregnate as many girls as possible - are they? Then why even raise the topic?
I don't think the idea being advanced is that pick-up is about fufilling an evolutionary imperative to impregnate as many women as possible. Rather, the idea is that studying seduction gives you options. When you become a highly attractive male, your romantic and sexual options increase. Whether you choose to use this to impregnate as many women as possible, or devote significant parental investment to a single high value woman, or something in between, is irrelevant to the fact that seduction gives you the options to fulfill a major biological need (similarly, acquiring financial security in modern society is pretty much the same as meeting biological/evolutionary needs with respect to survival).
That said, I definitely do agree with your general argument that not everyone is interested in sleeping with as many people as possible, and we shouldn't judge people for choosing to do otherwise nor automatically assume that they are jealous.
Seduction is just a tool; how you utilize it is up to you.
On February 22 2012 03:20 Chill wrote:This is a pretty flimsy argument. The general population being healthy is based on much more than birth rate. And the thing you would care about would be birth rate, not sex rate. PUAs are not subscribing to that - trying to impregnate as many girls as possible - are they? Then why even raise the topic?
I think I'm going to start my own school of pick-up where the main goal is to spread your seed as wide as possible.
Yeah that level of evidence says it all really doesn't it.
I appreciate your posts in this thread Chill.
On February 22 2012 03:11 TheGeneralTheoryOf wrote: But PUAs - responsible PUAs - don't use people. They create experiences. The women they have one night stands with aren't under any romantic delusions. You have to understand that while men are almost universally romantics women are ruthlessly pragmatic about relationships.
On February 22 2012 00:14 kuriz wrote:Actually I've thought of making a game with some girl one day, something like: "I will love to talking to you, so lets make this game where there is only one rule: you completely decide the subject of conversation and lead the word as long as we talk to each other.", wonder how someone will react to this ^^
C. She's a feminazi cunt and has a shitload of militant liberal/progressive LGTB views to share.
I can only guess at why a lovely guy like you might have encountered people with a desire to educate on gender issues.
On February 22 2012 10:47 squattincassanova wrote: To the guys that say, you opened 2000 sets and only closed 12... omg you suck, your batting average is so lowww!!!
I can honestly say that without PUA, I'd still be a virgin, probably still playing 10+ hours of WoW per day. The problem that a lot of people I think are having, is that they perceive the entire community as teaching each other to manipulate/trick women into making a decision that they don't want to make - this is completely false.
Yes, there are some schools, especially moreso in the past, that are more guilty of simply teaching "tactics" to "creepy weirdos", and even today, there are many people in the community itself that are pieces of shit who just want to "teach those mean women a lesson" and fuck them without regard for the woman as a person. It's these bad apples that tend to get immediately associated with all people engaging in PUA.
This isn't really the case, especially now that the community is trending towards the "self-help" side of things. Take Real Social Dynamics for example (the people that Neil Strauss bashed in "The Game"). They simply try to make people (yes, men mostly) the best possible people they can be. So many men are taught to put women on a pedestal, to "buy them drinks" to "get their approval", etc., and that if a man wants to have sex with a woman, he should be in, or be planning to be in, a serious relationship with the woman in question. There is so much bullshit in regards to this type of social conditioning, RSD is simply trying to show men like myself how fucked up society is.
The women that I've been with (not many compared to a lot of PUAs, I'm still learning) are under no illusions, they just know that I'm a cool, non-judgmental guy that they can have fun with. They know that I'm a cool guy because I'm not afraid to show them who I am thanks to the stuff that RSD teaches. Hell, I even explicitly state that I'm not looking for a relationship right now, but that I still find them fun and attractive (which is the truth, I don't lie to women).
Believe it or not folks, women enjoy sex. The PUA stuff that has helped me start to break away from my "anti-social virginism" isn't about helping me learn the magic words and actions/tricks to fool a woman into my bed, it's about helping me become a better person - a person that I can be proud of, and a person that other people want to get to know. I don't use canned routines, I don't use magic tricks, I don't use "magic DHV stories in order to calibrate IOI's"; I talk about stuff that I find hilarious, I make jokes that I come up with without holding anything back because I'm scared whether people will like me or not, and the stories I tell are stories that I find to be genuinely interesting. PUA has simply helped me to not be too fucking scared and nervous to share who I am with other people, both in a sexual context, and in my life in general.
If you're interested, go take a look at "The Blueprint Decoded" from Real Social Dynamics, it's so friggin mindblowing. I can see my old self in so many of the posts that bash PUA, I really do feel bad for the people who will never get to truly know what this stuff is all about.
On February 22 2012 10:47 squattincassanova wrote: To the guys that say, you opened 2000 sets and only closed 12... omg you suck, your batting average is so lowww!!!
Go figure, built in excuses. Can't say I expected anything less from that twit.
You know, if any guy went out and spent 6 hours hitting on women, or tried 2000 times to get, what, 12 "lays" they could do it too - and they wouldn't need to be a "PUA" to make it happen.
Those are terrible statistics for success - in any field.
I have a friend who is a nice guy. All through high school, he was a total fucking geek. He was in the chemistry club, he had thick glasses, he wore white socks with dark pants and dark shoes and had no sense of fashion. He was 6'2" and scrawny as all fuck. He played with computers all the time. He had a big nose, terrible skin, bad haircut, and his nickname behind his back was "Big Bird". Honestly, he was a total cliche.
High school sucked for him.
Then he goes to a good university. Starts fresh. Still does well in school, still into chemistry, still looks and acts the same as he ever did - and you know what, he got laid like a fucking pimp. He didn't have to try PUA, he didn't have to treat women like shit, buy videos, "practice" or do any of that stupid shit. He just stayed the same, decent, interesting, nice guy he always was. Chicks dug his IQ, chicks dug his "geekiness", chicks dug the fact that he was tall, chicks liked that he just did his own thing and didn't give a fuck.
That last part is key. It's not about PUA or any of that shit. It's about being confident in who you are - and no fucking PUA video bullshit is going to do that for you. If you think it will, I invite you to skim some of the posts by "PUAs" in this thread and note how they're just oozing attention-seeking and affirmation-seeking content. If you're truly confident, you don't have to remind the fucking planet that you're the shit. You just go out and be the shit.
On February 22 2012 10:47 squattincassanova wrote: To the guys that say, you opened 2000 sets and only closed 12... omg you suck, your batting average is so lowww!!!
Go figure, built in excuses. Can't say I expected anything less from that twit.
You know, if any guy went out and spent 6 hours hitting on women, or tried 2000 times to get, what, 12 "lays" they could do it too - and they wouldn't need to be a "PUA" to make it happen.
Those are terrible statistics for success - in any field.
I have a friend who is a nice guy. All through high school, he was a total fucking geek. He was in the chemistry club, he had thick glasses, he wore white socks with dark pants and dark shoes and had no sense of fashion. He was 6'2" and scrawny as all fuck. He played with computers all the time. He had a big nose, terrible skin, bad haircut, and his nickname behind his back was "Big Bird". Honestly, he was a total cliche.
High school sucked for him.
Then he goes to a good university. Starts fresh. Still does well in school, still into chemistry, still looks and acts the same as he ever did - and you know what, he got laid like a fucking pimp. He didn't have to try PUA, he didn't have to treat women like shit, buy videos, "practice" or do any of that stupid shit. He just stayed the same, decent, interesting, nice guy he always was. Chicks dug his IQ, chicks dug his "geekiness", chicks dug the fact that he was tall, chicks liked that he just did his own thing and didn't give a fuck.
That last part is key. It's not about PUA or any of that shit. It's about being confident in who you are - and no fucking PUA video bullshit is going to do that for you. If you think it will, I invite you to skim some of the posts by "PUAs" in this thread and note how they're just oozing attention-seeking and affirmation-seeking content. If you're truly confident, you don't have to remind the fucking planet that you're the shit. You just go out and be the shit.
On February 22 2012 10:47 squattincassanova wrote: To the guys that say, you opened 2000 sets and only closed 12... omg you suck, your batting average is so lowww!!!
Go figure, built in excuses. Can't say I expected anything less from that twit.
You know, if any guy went out and spent 6 hours hitting on women, or tried 2000 times to get, what, 12 "lays" they could do it too - and they wouldn't need to be a "PUA" to make it happen.
Those are terrible statistics for success - in any field.
I have a friend who is a nice guy. All through high school, he was a total fucking geek. He was in the chemistry club, he had thick glasses, he wore white socks with dark pants and dark shoes and had no sense of fashion. He was 6'2" and scrawny as all fuck. He played with computers all the time. He had a big nose, terrible skin, bad haircut, and his nickname behind his back was "Big Bird". Honestly, he was a total cliche.
High school sucked for him.
Then he goes to a good university. Starts fresh. Still does well in school, still into chemistry, still looks and acts the same as he ever did - and you know what, he got laid like a fucking pimp. He didn't have to try PUA, he didn't have to treat women like shit, buy videos, "practice" or do any of that stupid shit. He just stayed the same, decent, interesting, nice guy he always was. Chicks dug his IQ, chicks dug his "geekiness", chicks dug the fact that he was tall, chicks liked that he just did his own thing and didn't give a fuck.
That last part is key. It's not about PUA or any of that shit. It's about being confident in who you are - and no fucking PUA video bullshit is going to do that for you. If you think it will, I invite you to skim some of the posts by "PUAs" in this thread and note how they're just oozing attention-seeking and affirmation-seeking content. If you're truly confident, you don't have to remind the fucking planet that you're the shit. You just go out and be the shit.
Living on a college campus, you are basically forced upon people and they upon you. It's ridiculously easy to get to know tons of people. In the short period I lived near (not even on) campus with some guys I kinda knew, just being close to everyone else, meeting apt. mates' friends and other people was great. Within a week, I started to grow on some of these girls, and my apt. mates were getting really pissed I was having a girl in bed with me most days during that period (not diff girls each time necessarily). Barely had to try. I met them wherever or through whoever, bullshitted with them a bit via texting and whatnot, spent a bit of time with them and that was that. The environment is just so different from anything else, it's absurd. Disclaimer: I'm no super pimp at all, I'm not a ridiculously fun person and can literally have anything and everything fun to do all the time, especially since nearly all my time is eaten up by a field of study only masochists would engage in, but it was just so easy to get girls when in that environment. What I'm saying is that your pal being able to make friends is literally nothing special at all. Everyone does it, and let's not forget that lots of girls are ass ugly and awkward, too... so considering he was basically forced to meet girls given that environment and additionally spend a ton of time around them, of course there would be at least one that would be interested in him.
The point I'm making is that your story means nothing because the circumstances are really extreme. Your friend was in hs and it sucked for him. Imagine if he was living at home and going to a local university, where people give even less a care considering all their friends are on campus with them and don't give a shit about someone who isn't unless they are really awesome or spend all day with them. It would suck even worse than high school for him, guaranteed. It's literally 2 extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum of whether or not you live on/near the campus. In any case, 3 girls in Jan. and 1 last Thursday isn't bad (btw I was trying to look for a relationship but lol these girls were just so below my standards and compatibility), but it was a ton more work than the 99% (of college students on/near campus) would have to put in. Actually, I'd be surprised if your friend didn't get laid, because when you're in that environment, you literally have to be determinedly anti-sexual not to get any.
Yeah, best of luck to your pal when he finishes college. He's really going to need it :/. When you aren't living with your friends and all your other peers 24/7, it's actually not easy at all.
On February 22 2012 11:59 Mjolnir wrote: That last part is key. It's not about PUA or any of that shit. It's about being confident in who you are - and no fucking PUA video bullshit is going to do that for you. If you think it will, I invite you to skim some of the posts by "PUAs" in this thread and note how they're just oozing attention-seeking and affirmation-seeking content. If you're truly confident, you don't have to remind the fucking planet that you're the shit. You just go out and be the shit.
This is very true. Many people need to see results though to get confidence. You feel better about how you are playing when you are winning, rather than losing. I wholeheartedly agree with you though. I think some people need that initial validation though in order to feel they are making progress. Personally, I never needed that validation, but I've noticed I am better in general about my interactions with others as a result of the increased knowledge. I am still doing the same things I was doing before, and at the end of the day I do what makes me happy, but there has been a difference in the way I carry a conversation with others as a result of reading and applying information on the subject.
That being said, confidence and being comfortable in your skin is always the sexiest thing alive to any woman. I think if people are unhappy with their love life, or if they just want to learn ways to improve it, anything PUA isn't a terrible thing. At the end of the day most of the literature can be applied pretty universally to help social situations in general. It's the equivalent of casual people in starcraft playing casually and having a good time. If you're happy, don't change it. There's no need to analyze replays, practice builds, etc, if you're already enjoying what you're doing. Hence, people should live life in a way that make them comfortable. That's probably the most attractive quality to making friends, increasing your social circle, and attracting women.
On February 22 2012 07:48 squattincassanova wrote:I usually do answer peoples specific questions the best I can. However, most of the thread goes off topic into these random ethical questions which really aren't relevant to the actual heart of the topic. At the end of the day, arguments are made and people go back doing the regular shit they always been doing.
I would say over the year, I have winged with about 30-40 people. I only see maybe 4-5 truly with potential... and these are the guys already going out. That's already the top 10% of the PUA wannabes. Spending all my time on random people on the internet... is likely to have low yield results. People will ask an obscure question, never go out, they never change. You got guys talking about last minute resistance and end game yet they can't even approach. Its like why talk about PhD math when you still failing algebra? You know what I mean?
Yeah, I am in the phase where I am hooking up with as many girls as I can. That's still the learning phase. You can't get comfortable with girls without lays. It must come with practice. Inner game changes followed by outer game changes. Its not something you can just think away and make it disappear. Lets say all your life, you consider yourself unattractive. What do you think fixes it faster and more efficiently.... getting laid with 10 chicks, or sitting in your basement praying it away?
I am at the level where I am really really good. I am better than a lot of proclaimed gurus out there. Like I am way better than Mehow and a lot of other sketchy coaches. I still think I am far from my end goal. I am modest by calling myself intermediate. Its all relative I guess based on who you compare it to. Right now... I am still in the phase where I am basking in my newly learned skill. Its like buying that new car and you still get that new car glow feeling. The novelty is starting to disappear though. I never missed a week of going out for the last year until last week when I got sick and I had a great time playing Heroes of Newerth at home for the whole weekend... lol. Video games are still funner than girls IMO.
Yeah, while I do agree to get good you need to actually practice new things and make goals, I think for some people it's enough to just get some confidence. For myself, I occassionally mess around with PUA stuff I've learned just to see if it works (mostly openers and seeing how rediculous I can be before the girl goes away because it makes for good fun with friends). I more often just go out and Wingman my friends and use the knowledge that way to hook them up. Success is relative and subjective. Personally, I'm not interested in finding random people to sleep with, but more so with finding and seducing that one girl I'm interested in. Learning the basics has helped me a great deal in that regard, and I essentially cut off the attraction component and friend zone a lot of girls. The novelty will wear off though. The hardest part is that being in a relationship and just picking-up are vastly different. Relationships are a constant struggle between maintaining your individual freedoms while fostering and caring for another person's. Unfortunately, pick-up won't really train you for that. This is where I see a lot of my friends fall apart as other than some basic inner-game components, the game principles will work against you here.
Hey, I'm not pushing PUA on anybody. The more guys bad with women out there, the more awesome I stand out. All cool with me. Every girl I meet online tell me how many creeper assholes they meet online and all the lame messages they get and how I am so much different.
You are, however, belittling anyone who can't do it, is unable to try, or chooses to live otherwise. That shouldn't be part of this thread.
Someone who says 'lol' in response to someone quoting Mystery shouldn't be in this thread. If you don't know anything about the subject you're talking about then don't come in here acting like you do. Mystery is one of the founding PUAs who brought 'game' to the mainstream. Your response is like someone saying 'lol' to a Boxer game, when that person as too ignorant to understand where modern SC has come from.
On February 22 2012 10:47 squattincassanova wrote: To the guys that say, you opened 2000 sets and only closed 12... omg you suck, your batting average is so lowww!!!
Go figure, built in excuses. Can't say I expected anything less from that twit.
You know, if any guy went out and spent 6 hours hitting on women, or tried 2000 times to get, what, 12 "lays" they could do it too - and they wouldn't need to be a "PUA" to make it happen.
Those are terrible statistics for success - in any field.
I have a friend who is a nice guy. All through high school, he was a total fucking geek. He was in the chemistry club, he had thick glasses, he wore white socks with dark pants and dark shoes and had no sense of fashion. He was 6'2" and scrawny as all fuck. He played with computers all the time. He had a big nose, terrible skin, bad haircut, and his nickname behind his back was "Big Bird". Honestly, he was a total cliche.
High school sucked for him.
Then he goes to a good university. Starts fresh. Still does well in school, still into chemistry, still looks and acts the same as he ever did - and you know what, he got laid like a fucking pimp. He didn't have to try PUA, he didn't have to treat women like shit, buy videos, "practice" or do any of that stupid shit. He just stayed the same, decent, interesting, nice guy he always was. Chicks dug his IQ, chicks dug his "geekiness", chicks dug the fact that he was tall, chicks liked that he just did his own thing and didn't give a fuck.
That last part is key. It's not about PUA or any of that shit. It's about being confident in who you are - and no fucking PUA video bullshit is going to do that for you. If you think it will, I invite you to skim some of the posts by "PUAs" in this thread and note how they're just oozing attention-seeking and affirmation-seeking content. If you're truly confident, you don't have to remind the fucking planet that you're the shit. You just go out and be the shit.
Living on a college campus, you are basically forced upon people and they upon you. It's ridiculously easy to get to know tons of people. In the short period I lived near (not even on) campus with some guys I kinda knew, just being close to everyone else, meeting apt. mates' friends and other people was great. Within a week, I started to grow on some of these girls, and my apt. mates were getting really pissed I was having a girl in bed with me most days during that period (not diff girls each time necessarily). Barely had to try. I met them wherever or through whoever, bullshitted with them a bit via texting and whatnot, spent a bit of time with them and that was that. The environment is just so different from anything else, it's absurd. Disclaimer: I'm no super pimp at all, I'm not a ridiculously fun person and can literally have anything and everything fun to do all the time, especially since nearly all my time is eaten up by a field of study only masochists would engage in, but it was just so easy to get girls when in that environment. What I'm saying is that your pal being able to make friends is literally nothing special at all. Everyone does it, and let's not forget that lots of girls are ass ugly and awkward, too... so considering he was basically forced to meet girls given that environment and additionally spend a ton of time around them, of course there would be at least one that would be interested in him.
The point I'm making is that your story means nothing because the circumstances are really extreme. Your friend was in hs and it sucked for him. Imagine if he was living at home and going to a local university, where people give even less a care considering all their friends are on campus with them and don't give a shit about someone who isn't unless they are really awesome or spend all day with them. It would suck even worse than high school for him, guaranteed. It's literally 2 extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum of whether or not you live on/near the campus. In any case, 3 girls in Jan. and 1 last Thursday isn't bad (btw I was trying to look for a relationship but lol these girls were just so below my standards and compatibility), but it was a ton more work than the 99% (of college students on/near campus) would have to put in. Actually, I'd be surprised if your friend didn't get laid, because when you're in that environment, you literally have to be determinedly anti-sexual not to get any.
Yeah, best of luck to your pal when he finishes college. He's really going to need it :/. When you aren't living with your friends and all your other peers 24/7, it's actually not easy at all.
I had a really long reply that I was thinking of writing. Then I realized it wasn't necessary since you pretty much confirm the major points I make in my post. Yep, anyone can do it.
Thanks.
EDIT: I feel I should add, to accentuate one of a few errors in your post, that my friend finished university years ago. He has a PhD, is very successful in his field of work, and he had the same success with women after school as he did in school. He's now in a really great relationship with his wife of a few years, who is - by anyone's standards - very attractive, and also smart as hell. So, you're wrong, things only got better for him as time went on. It wasn't about where he was, his environment, or who was around him, it was about who he was.
On February 22 2012 12:58 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On February 22 2012 11:59 Mjolnir wrote:
On February 22 2012 10:47 squattincassanova wrote: To the guys that say, you opened 2000 sets and only closed 12... omg you suck, your batting average is so lowww!!!
Go figure, built in excuses. Can't say I expected anything less from that twit.
You know, if any guy went out and spent 6 hours hitting on women, or tried 2000 times to get, what, 12 "lays" they could do it too - and they wouldn't need to be a "PUA" to make it happen.
Those are terrible statistics for success - in any field.
I have a friend who is a nice guy. All through high school, he was a total fucking geek. He was in the chemistry club, he had thick glasses, he wore white socks with dark pants and dark shoes and had no sense of fashion. He was 6'2" and scrawny as all fuck. He played with computers all the time. He had a big nose, terrible skin, bad haircut, and his nickname behind his back was "Big Bird". Honestly, he was a total cliche.
High school sucked for him.
Then he goes to a good university. Starts fresh. Still does well in school, still into chemistry, still looks and acts the same as he ever did - and you know what, he got laid like a fucking pimp. He didn't have to try PUA, he didn't have to treat women like shit, buy videos, "practice" or do any of that stupid shit. He just stayed the same, decent, interesting, nice guy he always was. Chicks dug his IQ, chicks dug his "geekiness", chicks dug the fact that he was tall, chicks liked that he just did his own thing and didn't give a fuck.
That last part is key. It's not about PUA or any of that shit. It's about being confident in who you are - and no fucking PUA video bullshit is going to do that for you. If you think it will, I invite you to skim some of the posts by "PUAs" in this thread and note how they're just oozing attention-seeking and affirmation-seeking content. If you're truly confident, you don't have to remind the fucking planet that you're the shit. You just go out and be the shit.
Living on a college campus, you are basically forced upon people and they upon you. It's ridiculously easy to get to know tons of people. In the short period I lived near (not even on) campus with some guys I kinda knew, just being close to everyone else, meeting apt. mates' friends and other people was great. Within a week, I started to grow on some of these girls, and my apt. mates were getting really pissed I was having a girl in bed with me most days during that period (not diff girls each time necessarily). Barely had to try. I met them wherever or through whoever, bullshitted with them a bit via texting and whatnot, spent a bit of time with them and that was that. The environment is just so different from anything else, it's absurd. Disclaimer: I'm no super pimp at all, I'm not a ridiculously fun person and can literally have anything and everything fun to do all the time, especially since nearly all my time is eaten up by a field of study only masochists would engage in, but it was just so easy to get girls when in that environment. What I'm saying is that your pal being able to make friends is literally nothing special at all. Everyone does it, and let's not forget that lots of girls are ass ugly and awkward, too... so considering he was basically forced to meet girls given that environment and additionally spend a ton of time around them, of course there would be at least one that would be interested in him.
The point I'm making is that your story means nothing because the circumstances are really extreme. Your friend was in hs and it sucked for him. Imagine if he was living at home and going to a local university, where people give even less a care considering all their friends are on campus with them and don't give a shit about someone who isn't unless they are really awesome or spend all day with them. It would suck even worse than high school for him, guaranteed. It's literally 2 extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum of whether or not you live on/near the campus. In any case, 3 girls in Jan. and 1 last Thursday isn't bad (btw I was trying to look for a relationship but lol these girls were just so below my standards and compatibility), but it was a ton more work than the 99% (of college students on/near campus) would have to put in. Actually, I'd be surprised if your friend didn't get laid, because when you're in that environment, you literally have to be determinedly anti-sexual not to get any.
Yeah, best of luck to your pal when he finishes college. He's really going to need it :/. When you aren't living with your friends and all your other peers 24/7, it's actually not easy at all.
I had a really long reply that I was thinking of writing. Then I realized it wasn't necessary since you pretty much confirm the major points I make in my post. Yep, anyone can do it.
Thanks.
EDIT: I feel I should add, to accentuate one of a few errors in your post, that my friend finished university years ago. He has a PhD, is very successful in his field of work, and he had the same success with women after school as he did in school. He's now in a really great relationship with his wife of a few years, who is - by anyone's standards - very attractive, and also smart as hell. So, you're wrong, things only got better for him as time went on. It wasn't about where he was, his environment, or who was around him, it was about who he was.
Couldn't agree more with you. I know many "successful" guys, who are so, just because they happily live the way they want to. On the other hand, I know a few guys who spend a lot of resources (money, time), to know "how to get better" (work out, get a money job, wear nice clothes, go talk to tons of girls, etc) and fail miserably at being happy. Seriously, why would you need books/classes/videos/teachers, to tell you what you wanna do with your day, or how you should talk to others? I really believe we all have these functions hard wired deep inside.
On February 22 2012 12:58 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On February 22 2012 11:59 Mjolnir wrote:
On February 22 2012 10:47 squattincassanova wrote: To the guys that say, you opened 2000 sets and only closed 12... omg you suck, your batting average is so lowww!!!
Go figure, built in excuses. Can't say I expected anything less from that twit.
You know, if any guy went out and spent 6 hours hitting on women, or tried 2000 times to get, what, 12 "lays" they could do it too - and they wouldn't need to be a "PUA" to make it happen.
Those are terrible statistics for success - in any field.
I have a friend who is a nice guy. All through high school, he was a total fucking geek. He was in the chemistry club, he had thick glasses, he wore white socks with dark pants and dark shoes and had no sense of fashion. He was 6'2" and scrawny as all fuck. He played with computers all the time. He had a big nose, terrible skin, bad haircut, and his nickname behind his back was "Big Bird". Honestly, he was a total cliche.
High school sucked for him.
Then he goes to a good university. Starts fresh. Still does well in school, still into chemistry, still looks and acts the same as he ever did - and you know what, he got laid like a fucking pimp. He didn't have to try PUA, he didn't have to treat women like shit, buy videos, "practice" or do any of that stupid shit. He just stayed the same, decent, interesting, nice guy he always was. Chicks dug his IQ, chicks dug his "geekiness", chicks dug the fact that he was tall, chicks liked that he just did his own thing and didn't give a fuck.
That last part is key. It's not about PUA or any of that shit. It's about being confident in who you are - and no fucking PUA video bullshit is going to do that for you. If you think it will, I invite you to skim some of the posts by "PUAs" in this thread and note how they're just oozing attention-seeking and affirmation-seeking content. If you're truly confident, you don't have to remind the fucking planet that you're the shit. You just go out and be the shit.
Living on a college campus, you are basically forced upon people and they upon you. It's ridiculously easy to get to know tons of people. In the short period I lived near (not even on) campus with some guys I kinda knew, just being close to everyone else, meeting apt. mates' friends and other people was great. Within a week, I started to grow on some of these girls, and my apt. mates were getting really pissed I was having a girl in bed with me most days during that period (not diff girls each time necessarily). Barely had to try. I met them wherever or through whoever, bullshitted with them a bit via texting and whatnot, spent a bit of time with them and that was that. The environment is just so different from anything else, it's absurd. Disclaimer: I'm no super pimp at all, I'm not a ridiculously fun person and can literally have anything and everything fun to do all the time, especially since nearly all my time is eaten up by a field of study only masochists would engage in, but it was just so easy to get girls when in that environment. What I'm saying is that your pal being able to make friends is literally nothing special at all. Everyone does it, and let's not forget that lots of girls are ass ugly and awkward, too... so considering he was basically forced to meet girls given that environment and additionally spend a ton of time around them, of course there would be at least one that would be interested in him.
The point I'm making is that your story means nothing because the circumstances are really extreme. Your friend was in hs and it sucked for him. Imagine if he was living at home and going to a local university, where people give even less a care considering all their friends are on campus with them and don't give a shit about someone who isn't unless they are really awesome or spend all day with them. It would suck even worse than high school for him, guaranteed. It's literally 2 extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum of whether or not you live on/near the campus. In any case, 3 girls in Jan. and 1 last Thursday isn't bad (btw I was trying to look for a relationship but lol these girls were just so below my standards and compatibility), but it was a ton more work than the 99% (of college students on/near campus) would have to put in. Actually, I'd be surprised if your friend didn't get laid, because when you're in that environment, you literally have to be determinedly anti-sexual not to get any.
Yeah, best of luck to your pal when he finishes college. He's really going to need it :/. When you aren't living with your friends and all your other peers 24/7, it's actually not easy at all.
I had a really long reply that I was thinking of writing. Then I realized it wasn't necessary since you pretty much confirm the major points I make in my post. Yep, anyone can do it.
Thanks.
EDIT: I feel I should add, to accentuate one of a few errors in your post, that my friend finished university years ago. He has a PhD, is very successful in his field of work, and he had the same success with women after school as he did in school. He's now in a really great relationship with his wife of a few years, who is - by anyone's standards - very attractive, and also smart as hell. So, you're wrong, things only got better for him as time went on. It wasn't about where he was, his environment, or who was around him, it was about who he was.
I have no complaints then . I'm proud of him. In my last post, I assumed you were implying he was in college atm. My bad XD. This guy is at least a decade older than I initially thought heh :p.
But yeah, point I was making is basically I know kids who are repulsive in every way imaginable, and they still have good friends, just by virtue of being around and living with their peers 24/7. They're doing fine, believe or not, because living right there at the college living environment is at at the positive extreme of social interaction. Damn, if only I had that privilege. Who knows how great it'd be
But yes indeed, anyone can do it, especially when we consider the fact of the matter there are tons and tons of girls who aren't particularly attractive and/or sociable, and other things, that any kind of dude can have a 'chance' with. One doesn't need to be a badass GQ to get any girl at all. Still, that doesn't mean one cannot improve themselves. It's not about simply being content and complacent with oneself. There's always room for improvement.
As for me, my standards are generally pretty fucking high, and I just don't care about looks, but also something between their ears and also not being severely bipolar/overemotional. I do realize I'm asking for too much haha but I've found gems every now and then. o-o. At my university is a disease in which girls seem more attractive than they actually are. I've basically developed the opposite of that disease. lol
People in college have a pretty tremendous opportunity, socially, but you also have to understand you're paying a lot of money for that opportunity. It's important to distinguish between social circle game (meeting girls through friends) and the cold approach. 'Game' isn't just about interacting with people you are attracted with, incidentally, a large part of it is about building and developing platonic relationships as well as interacting with obstacles. Many PUAs are not naturally social - they look at their lives and think 'i want beautiful sexy women in it, how can i obtain that' and then go through a rigorous process of learning how to interact with others and get what you want from them. Anyway I digress... if you have a vast social circle it's entirely possible to meet women just that way - but not everyone has that option. Say you just moved to a new city, for example.
There is nothing necessarily 'dishonest' about game. At it's core, every routine should be from your life, everything you say and do should be upfront and honest. But you should have routines, so you're not stuck there wondering what to say. Approaching a beautiful woman that you are a complete stranger to is a daunting task, especially if you don't want to sound like an idiot. whatever you do don't be the loveable bore... 'hey whats your name... where do you go to school.... blah blah". Good looking women get approached all the time. Several times a day. 2000 times a year. I'm pretty sure she's not fucking 2000 dudes. So what is going to make you get past her defences? Well, it starts if you can speak her language (emotions). It begins with non verbal communication. Body language. Tone of voice. Has she seen you open five sets, get some numbers, make girls laugh? or did yuo sit in teh corner for a couple hours nursing your beer sitting with your bodies waiting for something to happen to you?
Sighh..... apparently when a girl likes you a lot... she doesn't want to have sex anymore and wants to put you into the relationship frame. Has sex on the first date, but denies me the second time.... too bad so sad