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urasheep
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
62 Posts
July 16 2011 02:02 GMT
#361
So I basically just gotta act alpha and I should be pulling any girls ?
Swagger tighter than a yeast infection, Fly, go hard than geese erection
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 04:14:24
July 16 2011 04:11 GMT
#362
On July 16 2011 10:28 squattincassanova wrote:
My main argument wasn't about whether direct works or not. It certainly works very well. I'm also not suggesting you only use direct in every situation.

What I am saying is. For long term development, you must incorporate direct game. Meaning you can't do indirect your whole life.

Direct makes you a sex worthy guy. Direct makes you true to your intentions. Direct makes you alpha. Direct fixes a lot of kinks in your inner game. On a side note, direct also is a lotta fun and it sets the mood real fast.


Seriously, stop that shit. All you do is come here and preach the holy grail. If you want to advertise a certain style, fine, do that. But don't force that kind of belief onto others.

You have had lots and lots of valid and solid points in your posts so far, however all the definite DOs & DON'Ts are getting annoying.


Pickup is communication. Communication is not defined by 0 and 1.

Direct and indirect are two completely different mindsets (I'll prolly add them in one of my next post since some people here seem to be confused about the actual mindsets/frames behind them.). Different mindsets work for different people in different situations.

There are so many things that are unorthodox, especially in an undefined field like pickup (which I think is the real beauty of it) that coming here and saying "I found the one and only truth, listen to me!" is the most horrible advice you can give. Communication and therefore solid pickup is about being flexible under all circumstances.


You can successfully seduce women by focussing to get into what most people would call "friend zone".
You can successfully seduce women by talking to them about Starcraft and WoW.
You can successfully seduce women by pretending you're the shyest person on the whole planet.

Yes, I have field-tested all of the above. Yes, they all worked for me. Get ouf of your fucking theory washed box that runs through routines and scientific terms and learn to actually live seducing women.

"Pickup", or, let's start using real terms, flirting in a skillfull way is art. There is no shiny path to enlightenment and no "one size fits all" method out there.

/end rant.


Someone had to say it. This is going towards a similar style as SC2 balance discussions do. ("Hurrdurr Zerg is so OP they have infestors!!" - "Durrhurr but Protoss are so OP they have collossi!!" - it's exactly the same deal with direct vs indirect, clubgame vs daygame, social circle vs cold approach.)


tl;dr: It's cool that Zerg works for you. It's cool if you explain to others how and why it works for you and explain the strategies you're successfull with. It's not cool if you tell everyone that Zerg is so OP that no one will never win a single ladder match when playing with Protoss.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
squattincassanova
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States650 Posts
July 16 2011 16:15 GMT
#363
I almost pulled a same night lay yesterday but my girl's friend was married and visiting from oklahoma AND staying at her place. I f***ed up on logistics god damnit. Couldn't split them at the end. That girl was so down. Oh well, its gonna be a 2nd day lay I guess.
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Discretionary Duck
Profile Joined July 2011
148 Posts
July 16 2011 16:24 GMT
#364
On July 17 2011 01:15 squattincassanova wrote:
I almost pulled a same night lay yesterday but my girl's friend was married and visiting from oklahoma AND staying at her place. I f***ed up on logistics god damnit. Couldn't split them at the end. That girl was so down. Oh well, its gonna be a 2nd day lay I guess.


You sound like an amateur PUA who feels the need to brag about his 'almost' game.
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 18:49:04
July 16 2011 16:33 GMT
#365
do you guys see the PUA groups(aka: lairs) they all freaking crazy looking and nerd virgins. google them. they live in the land of mental masterbation. they go around saying stupid shit its IOI, and heres AMOG, they all think they are ALPHA and like to say the word alpha every 5 seconds, they say weird shit like yo im alpha, im lording, im beasting. most pua gurus look weird as hell and even more so their fans. they think about about girls every second actually, about thousand times, and all have these weird hangups and rules and techniques and shit and just creep people out, they are full of rules, they analyze situations over n over mentaly unstable.

seriously google "pua lairs" images.

some gurus aka clowns
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pua lair
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REAL SOLUTION
wanna get better with girls? hit the gym, buy nice and clean clothes.
zimz
squattincassanova
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States650 Posts
July 16 2011 20:04 GMT
#366
On July 17 2011 01:24 Discretionary Duck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 01:15 squattincassanova wrote:
I almost pulled a same night lay yesterday but my girl's friend was married and visiting from oklahoma AND staying at her place. I f***ed up on logistics god damnit. Couldn't split them at the end. That girl was so down. Oh well, its gonna be a 2nd day lay I guess.


You sound like an amateur PUA who feels the need to brag about his 'almost' game.


well mr captain obvious, if i wasn't amateur, I would be charging 3000 bootcamps and living on boat.
http://www.youtube.com/squattincassanova (Pickup In-Field) Subscribe if you like!
squattincassanova
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 20:12:41
July 16 2011 20:11 GMT
#367
On July 17 2011 01:33 zimz wrote:
do you guys see the PUA groups(aka: lairs) they all freaking crazy looking and nerd virgins. google them. they live in the land of mental masterbation. they go around saying stupid shit its IOI, and heres AMOG, they all think they are ALPHA and like to say the word alpha every 5 seconds, they say weird shit like yo im alpha, im lording, im beasting. most pua gurus look weird as hell and even more so their fans. they think about about girls every second actually, about thousand times, and all have these weird hangups and rules and techniques and shit and just creep people out, they are full of rules, they analyze situations over n over mentaly unstable.

seriously google "pua lairs" images.

some gurus aka clowns
[image loading]

[image loading]

pua lair
[image loading]




REAL SOLUTION
wanna get better with girls? hit the gym, buy nice and clean clothes.



1. If everyone in PUA was a smooth, 6 foot 4 Abercrombie model, do you think they really need to go to lairs for practice?

2. Strong generalization on peoples looks. The PUA community is no worse looking than the Starcraft community if you were to average it all up.

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'Mirin my Alpha Physique Aesthetics?
[image loading]

Yep, U MAD!
http://www.youtube.com/squattincassanova (Pickup In-Field) Subscribe if you like!
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 20:33:51
July 16 2011 20:31 GMT
#368
I'm not mad! i stand by what i said. and pics with pretty girls doesn't mean your having sex with them. many gurus have pics with super pretty girls but their real gf is much less attractive. anyways i stand by what i said and think pua people worry about every detail of how to get a girl to much that it auto makes them put them on pedestal. oh yeah and they worry to much about did i do this right, did i do this, what if this blah blah. keep it simple. oh yeah and im not gonna go and post non-pua people with hot girls because that is too many pics.
zimz
Discretionary Duck
Profile Joined July 2011
148 Posts
July 17 2011 01:00 GMT
#369
On July 17 2011 05:11 squattincassanova wrote:
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Used to love DeAngelo's stuff (until I got tired of the same old spam every week), but have no idea what the heck he's thinking here:

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(His wife.)
Discretionary Duck
Profile Joined July 2011
148 Posts
July 17 2011 01:02 GMT
#370
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Yeowch. Would not even consider a one-night stand with this one. Considering he can supposedly pull any chick he likes, he's definitely settled for some serious 5/6.
D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
July 17 2011 03:45 GMT
#371
If you have:

- lots of friends(both male and female)
- have an active and large social circle consisting of both guys and girls
- hang out with these people often just for the sake of being social

...then you don't need any of this PUA stuff. You will just fall into relationships with girls as a matter of course, in many cases without much actual trying. Of course a very key part of this is, being in a crowd with the right attitude, the right synergies, and just overall in an accepting social group for things to just happen.

And for many people, sometimes you don't get that kind of social group, or you can't break into, that group(they simply won't accept you in, or accepts you once or twice, but doesn't invite you for future events).

When you're a nerd who:

- doesn't have very many friends outside of gaming buddies
- don't know very many girls
- as a result, aren't invited to, or don't have much of an active outside social life

...then it's very easy to feel:

- nobody likes me
- what's wrong with me, with the way I am, and who I am
- I do try(whenever possible)...but no girls see me as more than a brother

Notice that many of these PUA's exhibit many of these qualities/feelings:

- anger at their past(constant rejection)
- revenge seeking(a need to even the score)

There's a very funny demotivational phrase out there:

FAILURE - when your best, just isn't good enough. And this case - just being themselves...being their core person, doing/saying what they think is right, was deemed incorrect...being bashed for it...etc. It cuts deep when you are told, point blank, that you're a failure, and it's just because of who you plainly are.

--

IMO, I think there are many very good ideas to take away from the PUA threads. However I would shy away from the anger, the need to keep score, the revenge seeking.

but hey I'm married with wife and kid...very much out of the whole dating scene(and happy for it), so what do I know?
Canada
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 18:06:47
July 17 2011 04:00 GMT
#372
On July 17 2011 12:45 D_K_night wrote:
If you have:

- lots of friends(both male and female)
- have an active and large social circle consisting of both guys and girls
- hang out with these people often just for the sake of being social

...then you don't need any of this PUA stuff. You will just fall into relationships with girls as a matter of course, in many cases without much actual trying. Of course a very key part of this is, being in a crowd with the right attitude, the right synergies, and just overall in an accepting social group for things to just happen.

And for many people, sometimes you don't get that kind of social group, or you can't break into, that group(they simply won't accept you in, or accepts you once or twice, but doesn't invite you for future events).

When you're a nerd who:

- doesn't have very many friends outside of gaming buddies
- don't know very many girls
- as a result, aren't invited to, or don't have much of an active outside social life

...then it's very easy to feel:

- nobody likes me
- what's wrong with me, with the way I am, and who I am
- I do try(whenever possible)...but no girls see me as more than a brother

Notice that many of these PUA's exhibit many of these qualities/feelings:

- anger at their past(constant rejection)
- revenge seeking(a need to even the score)

There's a very funny demotivational phrase out there:

FAILURE - when your best, just isn't good enough. And this case - just being themselves...being their core person, doing/saying what they think is right, was deemed incorrect...being bashed for it...etc. It cuts deep when you are told, point blank, that you're a failure, and it's just because of who you plainly are.

--

IMO, I think there are many very good ideas to take away from the PUA threads. However I would shy away from the anger, the need to keep score, the revenge seeking.

but hey I'm married with wife and kid...very much out of the whole dating scene(and happy for it), so what do I know?


Great post. Goes hand in hand with aspiring "PUAs" seeing women as scores and pure objects to test out their new routines.

As I said before, in my opinion pickup is great for people who never got the chance to properly "learn" all the stuff that there is around the whole dating topic, 'cause there are so many small things that already help people a lot. Just thinking how far I got by getting rid of the "you can't touch someone you barely know" and "you have to put women on a podest if you like them" is not funny at all.

Your last paragraph reminds me of a great presentation I got on a pickup convention by a guy who's been married for 23 years and works as a coach for communication in general. (And yes, there are some rare pickup conventions out there where married people talk about why you should even bother with a stable relationship over 5000 ONS, 100 FBs and 10 MLTRs.)

Once you throw that type of stuff together with the material from PU so many things start to make sense. Not "I wanna get laid"-type of sense but a "I want to live a great life"-type of sense.


Edit: I remember a great question from some 19 year old guy in the audiance which really shows the different perspectives.
- "What was the longest "bad streak" in your marriage?"
- "Well, what does "bad streak" exactly mean for you?"
- "Um... well.. erh... without sex, I guess."
- "As long as you consider "no sex" equivalent to a bad streak in a relationship, you should stay away from marriage. I mean it." =D
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Colbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada148 Posts
July 17 2011 21:50 GMT
#373
Hahahaha I love the old pictures of Mystery and Style.

/facepalm
Sometimes you win, Sometimes you learn
sunprince
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2258 Posts
July 17 2011 21:59 GMT
#374
On July 17 2011 13:00 r.Evo wrote:
I remember a great question from some 19 year old guy in the audiance which really shows the different perspectives.
- "What was the longest "bad streak" in your marriage?"
- "Well, what does "bad streak" exactly mean for you?"
- "Um... well.. erh... without sex, I guess."
- "As long as you consider "no sex" equivalent to a bad streak in a relationship, you should stay away from marriage. I mean it." =D


I wouldn't say that there isn't any truth to the 'bad streak' idea here.

If there is no sex in the marriage because the wife doesn't want to have sex with you any longer (as opposed to some other circumstances), then it can reasonably be argued that you are doing something wrong.
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
July 17 2011 22:51 GMT
#375
On July 17 2011 12:45 D_K_night wrote:
If you have:

- lots of friends(both male and female)
- have an active and large social circle consisting of both guys and girls
- hang out with these people often just for the sake of being social

...then you don't need any of this PUA stuff. You will just fall into relationships with girls as a matter of course, in many cases without much actual trying.


Not really true. Or well its true that you don't need the "PUA stuff" . Nobody ever NEEDS the "pua stuff" or anything esle. But saying that all you need is lots of friends and a social circle and then it all takes care of itself with a 100% certainty is not true. Pretty sure there are tons of 'forever alones'\virgins\what have you who have to some extent or another a somewhat active social life.
Wat
Colbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada148 Posts
July 18 2011 10:10 GMT
#376
On July 18 2011 07:51 Earll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 12:45 D_K_night wrote:
If you have:

- lots of friends(both male and female)
- have an active and large social circle consisting of both guys and girls
- hang out with these people often just for the sake of being social

...then you don't need any of this PUA stuff. You will just fall into relationships with girls as a matter of course, in many cases without much actual trying.


Not really true. Or well its true that you don't need the "PUA stuff" . Nobody ever NEEDS the "pua stuff" or anything esle. But saying that all you need is lots of friends and a social circle and then it all takes care of itself with a 100% certainty is not true. Pretty sure there are tons of 'forever alones'\virgins\what have you who have to some extent or another a somewhat active social life.


I disagree as well because a big problem guys run into is they are these types of guys, but the problem is that they don't escalate. They are around girls but without escalating, they fall into the friend zone.

Sure the "PUA" community has a ton of nerds who run around saying stupid shit and looking like fools, but there are also a ton of cool guys who have both male & female friends, an active large social circle, who you hang out with all the time to be social, and they can still learn a ton from the "PUA" community.

That doesn't mean these people who are already cool need to learn everything it has to offer. They may not need to learn how to open or how to get numbers, but maybe they need to learn how to connect on a deeper level, or how to escalate, or to bring more value, or to be more confident leading.
Sometimes you win, Sometimes you learn
couches
Profile Joined November 2010
618 Posts
July 18 2011 15:47 GMT
#377
On July 17 2011 12:45 D_K_night wrote:
If you have:

- lots of friends(both male and female)
- have an active and large social circle consisting of both guys and girls
- hang out with these people often just for the sake of being social

...then you don't need any of this PUA stuff. You will just fall into relationships with girls as a matter of course, in many cases without much actual trying. Of course a very key part of this is, being in a crowd with the right attitude, the right synergies, and just overall in an accepting social group for things to just happen.

And for many people, sometimes you don't get that kind of social group, or you can't break into, that group(they simply won't accept you in, or accepts you once or twice, but doesn't invite you for future events).

When you're a nerd who:

[other stuff]
Always thought the pua method approached the topic of meeting women in the wrong way. Pua should really just be about getting off yo ass and being socially active. Not sexually active.

Of course I could be wrong. But from what I've read and seen at the surface level of PUA stuff and read from this thread this is the impression I get.
squattincassanova
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 16:41:10
July 18 2011 16:40 GMT
#378
You guys have terrible misconceptions of pickup. I'm reminded of people who protest things out on the streets like genetically modified foods without a basic biology 101 education.... or people who think they know about a country from watching a 20 minutes travel show rather than actually living in that country for a year.

Seriously guys, if you have not gone to a club and done at LEAST 100 cold approaches in your LIFE or at least met with 10 other wingman, you have no idea wtf PUA is like. Not everyone who gets into PUA have the same goals, not everyone start out the same. Some are super AFC nerds, some are naturals who get laid a lot. One of my wingman had 25 lays before he got into pickup. You can't bucket everyone or idea into one category.
http://www.youtube.com/squattincassanova (Pickup In-Field) Subscribe if you like!
Googity
Profile Joined January 2011
United States127 Posts
July 18 2011 16:50 GMT
#379
I've been using pickup for around a year at this point, and honestly, you can use it in a lot of different ways. For myself, it's just to go out, have a good time, and meet interesting women. If I get a lay out of it... even better, if not then I met a woman that I can call up and hang out with at basically anytime, which leads to meeting their girlfriends and so on, it's an amazing circle. It's empowering to know that I can go up to any girl at the bar at this point and strike up a conversation like nothing... a year ago I wouldn't have thought it was possible. And the looks I get from my friends are priceless.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 17:04:33
July 18 2011 17:03 GMT
#380
Sometimes I wish I was born in the 70s.

This whole new millennium isn't really working out for me.

People seem to be getting increasingly weirder and weirder by the day. At this rate I'm not sure I would want to have a social life in like 10 years.
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