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On June 30 2011 04:20 muaAHhaha charmander wrote: I think the problem with this subculture is that all the pickup routines makes someone put on a fake personality that really is not them and could make the interaction even more awkward.
Do you know what a routine is? Its a training wheel to get you to practice talking. Nothing more. If you never talked to a girl in a cold approach and you don't know what to say, you use routines as a way to start a conversation. Experience is gained in the field. Guess what? 2 Months in, you drop routines and you start doing natural game / improvising. We all use routines. You never told a story more than once to different friends? That's a routine.
When I started pickup, my coach who I intern for did not allow me to use routines because he knew I had decent natural talent. I wasn't allowed to leave the set unless the girl told me to f*** off or they walk away. You can feel the tension and social pressure build up real quick when you are standing there not knowing what to say. You either learn to find something to say quick, or you stand there feeling the pressure. The brain is an interesting creature, under pressure it can accomplish amazing things. Either way, its win win. You learn to improvise quick and you learn to with stand social pressure.
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On July 14 2011 06:23 squattincassanova wrote: Take to her, Be yourself....
okay..
That's like saying to be a good basketball player, just be coordinated, and make your shots. To have an amazing career, just be educated and skilled.
You see how this is so blatantly vague that it serves absolutely no use to some socially inept guy? Whats with all these guy who never done a single cold approach giving advice?
People like the guy you quoted are probably using a lot of "game" (for lack of a better term) without even being aware of it. It comes with a certain social apitude that some are born with or acquire in childhood, but others have to learn it the hard way.
Some guys though are just absolutely clueless when it comes to talking to girls, they just blabber and self-deprecate until she excuses herself. If you put in the work however you can become a lot more successful. In a way, it's just like laddering lol.
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On June 03 2011 10:26 Garth wrote: PUA doesn't change who you are haha. It just tells you to say different things I suppose that would be looked on as more value to a women. It's not like it sucks your personality out and you're masking your true self.
You know this from first hand experience? How many sets have you opened?
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They got a lot of subscribers fast! Congratulations to these guys and I hope they can diversify their channel.
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Here is my experiences. Started in January. Stats since:
800+ approaches ~50 number closes 6 lays
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On July 14 2011 06:42 Alabasern wrote: They got a lot of subscribers fast! Congratulations to these guys and I hope they can diversify their channel.
Kong is my friend IRL. We go sarging in Fullerton.
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On July 14 2011 06:42 squattincassanova wrote: Here is my experiences. Started in January. Stats since:
800+ approaches ~50 number closes 6 lays
Talk about a numbers' game lol. Congrats. You talked about an internship, are you making a career out of this?
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On July 14 2011 06:45 insaneMicro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 06:42 squattincassanova wrote: Here is my experiences. Started in January. Stats since:
800+ approaches ~50 number closes 6 lays
Talk about a numbers' game lol. Congrats. You talked about an internship, are you making a career out of this?
Right now, I am just doing general admin work for an Asian PUA coach. He wants to make me a coach in about a year or so. I have a full time engineering job so this will have to be on the side. Being a coach is no cake because doing something and teaching something is totally different. Its not gonna be easy, I kinda hit a plateau. I have to write field reports every time I go out. I carry a voice recorder to analyze all my sets, some times I put them on YouTube for entertainment purposes. They are nowhere near as popular as SimplePickup because thats pure entertainment channel, they spend so much time editing out only the good parts that you can't really learn much from those videos. Kong has been sarging since 2008 so hes got like 3.5 years of pickup under his belt.
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On July 14 2011 06:42 squattincassanova wrote: Here is my experiences. Started in January. Stats since:
800+ approaches ~50 number closes 6 lays
You're doing something very, very fundamentally wrong. It might be the american way of approaching the whole seduction thing (aka mostly putting "fake it till you make it" above self-improvement like I see most of the europeans approach it), but the ratio between approaches and numbers is just horribly bad.
"Bad" in this case means you either have horrible screening and/or opening game. Getting a number, even when aiming for the top 5% in a club or daylight environment is easy. Don't pretend it isn't. Any coach who tells you it's hard to get her damn number is lying and wants your money.
A "solid" number (aka one where the woman answers the phone and remembers you as someone she might want to see again) shouldn't need more than 10 minutes of talking.
To me, 120ish approaches per month at that ratio simply sound like you're doing something wrong in your general approach of the thing and/or your way of learning to improve. This is not numbers game anymore, this is trying to become one of the feared social robots.
Numbers game is approaching 30 girls within one hour basicly opening with "Wanna fuck?".
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On July 14 2011 07:02 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 06:42 squattincassanova wrote: Here is my experiences. Started in January. Stats since:
800+ approaches ~50 number closes 6 lays
You're doing something very, very fundamentally wrong. It might be the american way of approaching the whole seduction thing (aka mostly putting "fake it till you make it" above self-improvement like I see most of the europeans approach it), but the ratio between approaches and numbers is just horribly bad. "Bad" in this case means you either have horrible screening and/or opening game. Getting a number, even when aiming for the top 5% in a club or daylight environment is easy. Don't pretend it isn't. Any coach who tells you it's hard to get her damn number is lying and wants your money. A "solid" number (aka one where the woman answers the phone and remembers you as someone she might want to see again) shouldn't need more than 10 minutes of talking. To me, 120ish approaches per month at that ratio simply sound like you're doing something wrong in your general approach of the thing and/or your way of learning to improve. This is not numbers game anymore, this is trying to become one of the feared social robots. Numbers game is approaching 30 girls within one hour basicly opening with "Wanna fuck?".
Uh... those stats are obviously include when I first started. I didn't get my first number till 3 months in. And my first lay till 4.5 months in. Skill development and real word results are two different curves. Your skill develops very fast initially but you have to be at a certain threshold before girls become receptive. Essentially you have to suck it up for a period of months with no results and have the determination to push through. This is where 99% of the guys quit and they will never find success.
You can't divide those numbers equally because most of those lays come at the end. The first few months, I was happy to maintain a conversation for 5 minutes. Yes you can get a number 10 minutes in but 10 minutes is not super solid for a number. It takes at least 30 minutes to 45 minutes for a SOLID SOLID number. But then again, every girl is different. I talked to a blonde for 5 minutes, got her number, texted her through out the week, and the next week she drove an hour to f*** my brains out. So again, it all depends on the girl.
As far as screening goes, yes, I don't screen enough. At my level is pick up has been mostly logistical. Who is she with? Is she the driver? Does she have to go to work in the morning? etc etc. I drive an hour to San Diego on the weekends because they have better clubs but its a damn logistical nightmare. I usually just get the number. Also, I'm in it to find the perfect girl to marry . I am process driven and not results driven. Of course, I will have to get enough lays under my belt for the experience .
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I applaud all the people here willing to put themselves out there. Even at the risk of seeming like a complete fool.
Keep doing what you doing. For those wanting to start. Yes it will be hard. Yes it will embarrass you. But once you break through those hard times, then your happiness will rise and rise.
Not only will you improving your life, but also the lives of those that you can now reach out to around you.
Bless all
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On June 03 2011 01:37 vVvTime wrote: After reading the whole video game article, the whole PUA community basically seems like a bunch of people who can't attract a girl without being a try hard.
I mean, if you need a self-esteem boost and you think the best way to get it is to study videos and articles and whatever else to pick up random girls, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's basically just a video game replacement.
I'm sure PUA skills are useful for guys who just want to get laid, but if you just go out and do things you enjoy, and are moderately successful at the things you choose to do (not very challenging, imo), you'll find a girl who you can actually have a good relationship with.
Um, when you learn anything new, you look like a TRY HARD. Go to a hip hop class and take your first lesson in your life. You are gonna look like a TRY HARD. That's for everything in life. Guess what? You do it enough and you practice hard enough, it becomes natural. The natural progression is like this:
Unconscious incompetence (you suck at it , and you are unaware <-- this is most people) Conscious incompetence (you suck at it, and you acknowledge it. This is where you take steps to improve Conscious competence (you get the hang of it, but you have to still focus on the task at hand) Unconscious competence (becomes second nature, like driving a car)
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On July 14 2011 07:25 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 07:02 r.Evo wrote:On July 14 2011 06:42 squattincassanova wrote: Here is my experiences. Started in January. Stats since:
800+ approaches ~50 number closes 6 lays
You're doing something very, very fundamentally wrong. It might be the american way of approaching the whole seduction thing (aka mostly putting "fake it till you make it" above self-improvement like I see most of the europeans approach it), but the ratio between approaches and numbers is just horribly bad. "Bad" in this case means you either have horrible screening and/or opening game. Getting a number, even when aiming for the top 5% in a club or daylight environment is easy. Don't pretend it isn't. Any coach who tells you it's hard to get her damn number is lying and wants your money. A "solid" number (aka one where the woman answers the phone and remembers you as someone she might want to see again) shouldn't need more than 10 minutes of talking. To me, 120ish approaches per month at that ratio simply sound like you're doing something wrong in your general approach of the thing and/or your way of learning to improve. This is not numbers game anymore, this is trying to become one of the feared social robots. Numbers game is approaching 30 girls within one hour basicly opening with "Wanna fuck?". Uh... those stats are obviously include when I first started. I didn't get my first number till 3 months in. And my first lay till 4.5 months in. Skill development and real word results are two different curves. Your skill develops very fast initially but you have to be at a certain threshold before girls become receptive. Essentially you have to suck it up for a period of months with no results and have the determination to push through. This is where 99% of the guys quit and they will never find success. You can't divide those numbers equally because most of those lays come at the end. The first few months, I was happy to maintain a conversation for 5 minutes. Yes you can get a number 10 minutes in but 10 minutes is not super solid for a number. It takes at least 30 minutes to 45 minutes for a SOLID SOLID number. But then again, every girl is different. I talked to a blonde for 5 minutes, got her number, texted her through out the week, and the next week she drove an hour to f*** my brains out. So again, it all depends on the girl. As far as screening goes, yes, I don't screen enough. At my level is pick up has been mostly logistical. Who is she with? Is she the driver? Does she have to go to work in the morning? etc etc. I drive an hour to San Diego on the weekends because they have better clubs but its a damn logistical nightmare. I usually just get the number. Also, I'm in it to find the perfect girl to marry . I am process driven and not results driven. Of course, I will have to get enough lays under my belt for the experience .
I started for the same "I want a solid relationship"-thing, after about 1 1/2 years of having fun with girls I got her. In my opinion Pickup is mostly about having the choice which girl to take and which to avoid. I didn't want to end with a random "well, we kinda met in school then we kinda had sex and then we kinda married".
For the stuff I did before I met my current girlfriend I'd say 90% was about screening and random encounters. I didn't go "sarging" (hate that word btw) anymore, I just talked to girls that seemed cool/hot whenever I saw them during my day or while having fun at parties. Most people would call that kind of stuff "natural", but it took some while to get there.
Solid screening is pretty awesome though. You learn which girl wants a ONS, which will be hard/easy and which girls are easier and harder to attract to you personally. Solid screening means just having very few approaches to get what exactly you want. That's where it becomes a skill more than a hobby imo.
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Pickup is kinda like Starcraft. So many people spit out theorycraft and text book material and you think they are decent. Then you hang out with them in real life and you find out they are a complete dud.
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On July 14 2011 07:25 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 07:02 r.Evo wrote:On July 14 2011 06:42 squattincassanova wrote: Here is my experiences. Started in January. Stats since:
800+ approaches ~50 number closes 6 lays
You're doing something very, very fundamentally wrong. It might be the american way of approaching the whole seduction thing (aka mostly putting "fake it till you make it" above self-improvement like I see most of the europeans approach it), but the ratio between approaches and numbers is just horribly bad. "Bad" in this case means you either have horrible screening and/or opening game. Getting a number, even when aiming for the top 5% in a club or daylight environment is easy. Don't pretend it isn't. Any coach who tells you it's hard to get her damn number is lying and wants your money. A "solid" number (aka one where the woman answers the phone and remembers you as someone she might want to see again) shouldn't need more than 10 minutes of talking. To me, 120ish approaches per month at that ratio simply sound like you're doing something wrong in your general approach of the thing and/or your way of learning to improve. This is not numbers game anymore, this is trying to become one of the feared social robots. Numbers game is approaching 30 girls within one hour basicly opening with "Wanna fuck?". Uh... those stats are obviously include when I first started. I didn't get my first number till 3 months in. And my first lay till 4.5 months in. Skill development and real word results are two different curves. Your skill develops very fast initially but you have to be at a certain threshold before girls become receptive. Essentially you have to suck it up for a period of months with no results and have the determination to push through. This is where 99% of the guys quit and they will never find success. You can't divide those numbers equally because most of those lays come at the end. The first few months, I was happy to maintain a conversation for 5 minutes. Yes you can get a number 10 minutes in but 10 minutes is not super solid for a number. It takes at least 30 minutes to 45 minutes for a SOLID SOLID number. But then again, every girl is different. I talked to a blonde for 5 minutes, got her number, texted her through out the week, and the next week she drove an hour to f*** my brains out. So again, it all depends on the girl. As far as screening goes, yes, I don't screen enough. At my level is pick up has been mostly logistical. Who is she with? Is she the driver? Does she have to go to work in the morning? etc etc. I drive an hour to San Diego on the weekends because they have better clubs but its a damn logistical nightmare. I usually just get the number. Also, I'm in it to find the perfect girl to marry  . I am process driven and not results driven. Of course, I will have to get enough lays under my belt for the experience  .
Looks like we've got a PUA cheerleader.
Also, if you're in it to get married, then you're an idiot:
+ Show Spoiler +Roissy Maxim #98: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.
Corollary to Maxim #98: Singleness is no guarantee of full sexual market participation.
Expert level commenter Whiskey left a comment about the Tiger Woods affair on a blog I read (at the moment I can’t recall the blog) in which he stated plainly that each woman with whom Woods had a tryst was one less woman available on the dating market to other men. His point was that twelve (in reality, triple that number) Tiger mistresses (or whores, or skanks, or courtesans, whatever you want to call them the concept is clear) means twelve beta men go without a woman at all. Some of the commenters took Whiskey to task, noting, perhaps not illogically, that a woman living as the sex toy of a billionaire golfer is not necessarily off the market. There are six other days in the week, after all. The typical fuckhole might see Woods once a month, which leaves her plenty of time to date other men.
Comforting thoughts, but I’ll throw my experiences with and observations of these kinds of women in the ring and lend support to Whiskey’s point of view. On a ledger sheet, sure, these provisional paramours have lots of downtime to date other men. But a woman’s emotional contours are hardly amenable to the ledger. Unlike men, most women are averse to boffing multiple concurrent partners. It is simply not in the nature of women to be psychologically equipped to handle with grace and steadiness the crass rutting with Cock A one day and Cock B the very next day. Women don’t operate like that. They see a cock they like, they want to be with that cock, and if they succeed all other cocks recede to invisibility, at least until either their preferred cock leaves for good or they grow weary of that cock.
What I am describing is not a slut apologia. The infamous cock carousel that spins like a possessed Stephen King-ian carnival ride in our major urban centers is open for business. But it’s a turgid carousel of consecutive rides, one women normally jump off of before clambering back on to sit on a new, fresh horsey. They aren’t attempting to straddle all the horsies at once.
Now some women of the craving simultaneous schlong variety do exist. But they are extremely rare. Aside from prostitutes (who medicate their perforating souls with the salve of money, drugs, and complete submission to the pimp), only the foulest sluts and most rapacious sociopaths are constitutionally capable of concurrent cock hopping for pleasure and personal gain. Some of these stone cold sluts were likely positioning themselves in Tiger’s target acquisition periphery, and he clumsily obliged like the stiffly off-putting former beta droid he is. But it is also likely that some of his mistresses genuinely fell for the tingly feelings his power and fame gave them, and they forsook all other men to focus solely on Tiger, even if it meant seeing him just once a month.
So Whiskey’s observation has merit. If a man is alpha and unburdened by moral considerations, he will have mistresses and flings and hotel bar hookups. And in turn, those mistresses and flings will drift off the dating market, de facto if not maritally de jure. When an alpha captures a woman’s heart, even if for only a few times a year, her yearning focuses like a laser beam onto him to the exclusion of more available betas in her midst. She will be happier daydreaming of her unavailable lover than talking in real life with second rate suitors.
Roissy Maxim #101: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.
The Tiger Woods bimbo eruption has clarified the seedy underbelly of the sexual market within which we all operate, no matter how many Hallmark platitudes we recite to the contrary to assuage our pestering fears. People get wrapped up in the salacious gossip and revel in the downfall of a celebrity, but behind the jokes and snark of the gawking masses percolates a silent unease. Women spare fleeting thoughts that the men who love them might trade up to a younger hotter model if offers suddenly emerged. Men hide a slow moving but deep river of envy for any alpha male who makes the news by monopolizing enough women to sexually nourish the IT department of a large corporation.
Yes, in 2009 America, there are men who rule over harems. And there are many more men who are eunuchized by this dirty little reality.
Some of the quotes from Tiger’s flings are a case study in female rationalization.
Jamie Jungers (fling #??):
Jamie, 26, who bears a striking resemblance to Elin, recalled: “Tiger and I went back to the room and just started making out.
“It just went from one thing to the next. We ended up having crazy sex for two hours. I remember him picking me up and putting me against the wall. And that’s when it turned into wild sex. It was really good.
“Later I said to him, ‘I don’t know a whole lot about your marriage situation. I know it is very fresh. I know you just got married. I mean, is it going OK?’ He said, ‘Yes, it’s fine, she’s in Sweden with her family’.”
She’s banging a dude who just got married and she asks if his marriage is going OK. No one is that stupid. She asked because by asking she absolves herself of any guilt or accountability for what she is doing. This is how women think. They are submissive, empty vessels to their core.
Jaimee Grubbs (fling #???):
TIGER Woods was rated as “horrible in bed” by one of his lovers, it was revealed yesterday.
The damning verdict came from cocktail waitress Jaimee Grubbs, who says she had a 31-month fling with the married golf superstar.
One would think 31 months is a long time to fuck a man who is “horrible in bed”, but alphas get a lot of leeway. Or she’s just pissed she was turned in for a flashier upgrade.
The 24-year-old mistress told fellow contestants on US TV reality show Tool Academy she had also “hooked up” with George Clooney.
But while she was full of praise for the movie heartthrob, she mauled Tiger.
Telly pal Krista Grubb, 27, told The Sun: “She was showing all these texts saying they were from Tiger and George.
One she said was from George said, ‘When can I get in there again?’ He signed it G.
“She said she met him while working as a cocktail waitress in Los Angeles and they would meet up in Vegas and he was a lot of fun.
“Jaimee said George was amazing but wasn’t so nice about Tiger. She just kept saying he was horrible in bed.”
Let this be a lesson, men. If you want rave reviews from pump and dumps, live your cad lifestyle without apology. Women not only respect that in a man, they love it.
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Err, wrong article:
The Lie Of Locking Her In
October 29, 2009 by Heartiste
It’s a nagging crescendo in my ear. Family is saying it, friends are hinting it: When are you going to settle down, Roissy? Usually the words they use are along the lines of “Is she the one? You should think about sticking it out with this one. Do you want to be alone the rest of your life? Do you think you can play the field forever?”
Yes, I think I can play the field forever.
Why do people balk at those who choose the lifestyle of the love mercenary, of the wanderlust warrior? Envy, mostly. Sincere concern, rarely. These voices — social pressure that sows self-doubt — will influence most men. Very few men have the fortitude to live the life of Oswald Hendryks Cornelius. Marriage, and probable divorce, is in the cards for most men.
Why do men bother to get married? There’s really nothing in it for them. All that marriage offers a man can be had in a loving, long term relationship. So why? These are the best reasons rationalizations I can think of:
I have to lock her in because the snatch must flow.
As any dead-eyed married man will tell you, the sex is always hottest until that first bite of wedding cake. Sure, marriage might mean fewer extended dry spells, and a more consistent output of pussy, but the quality of that output is going to take a nosedive.
Fact: Once in a secure relationship (and nothing is more secure for a woman than marriage — the law sees to that) a woman’s sex drive plummets. If you like your girl to move around a bit in bed and actually, you know, enjoy getting jackhammered by your beefy breach, marriage will see to it that she reads a trashy romance novel and sighs with boredom while asking “you done yet, honey?” while you huff and puff your way to another anti-climactic climax.
Fact: Women pack on the pounds after getting married. What good is consistent sex if it’s with a hippo? No wonder so many married men sneak away in the middle of the night to jack off to internet porn.
Fact: Your wife’s pussy will always be the same. Yep, one year, five years, ten years — that pussy looking back at you is like an old, very old, friend — that you no longer want to have sex with. Familiarity breeds contempt. When you’ve memorized the length and location of every pube and the droop of labia draggle, you’re going to ache for fresh meat. For men, variety is the spice of life. If older men maintained the libido of their younger selves you’d see extramarital affairs shoot through the roof.
If I don’t marry her, she’ll leave me. And then I’ll be alone.
There are two things wrong with this reasoning. One, if you don’t have the confidence to score another woman in case of a break-up, then you don’t have the confidence to keep your current girlfriend attracted to you. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Think you’ll be alone, then you will be alone, even when you’re not. Or: Fear is the mindkiller.
Two, marriage is no insurance policy against being unceremoniously dumped. Maybe it was at one time, but not anymore. A woman loses NOTHING that can compare to what you will lose if she decides to divorce you. Worse, in 2009 America there is every incentive in the world for a woman to divorce at the slightest drop in her attraction for her husband. Financial, legal, social, sometimes even sexual. The god of biomechanics does not take a holiday from reality once you slip a ring on your beloved’s finger.
I might not do better.
Sure, but then you could lament the same thing in non-marital relationships. Look at your LTR. You might not do better. Look at your fling. You might not do better. Look at your fuckbuddy. You might not do better. Look at that old pic of your college sweetheart. You might not do better.
So… how is marriage going to save you from this fear-induced soul searching? It’s not. If anything, marriage is only going to rub your face in your testicular impotence. If your wife thinks you can’t do better, she’ll begin to treat you like women treat every man who can’t do better — shittily. Except now, she’s got the long arm of the marital law on her side, so you don’t even have the option to find out if you can do better without taking a world class ramming up the ass. As bad as dry spells are, they’re even worse when the pussy you used to tap has closed up shop and taunts you nightly from across the bed.
She’ll stop loving me if I don’t marry her.
Assbackwards. Women don’t stop loving men for any reason except one — he turned beta. What about cheaters? Nope. Talk to women about their most cherished loves. You’ll notice something. Scorned women harbor their deepest love for the men who gutted their hearts. Not marrying her is more likely to have the opposite effect; the more you resist, the stronger her love for you.
Sure, some women do eventually leave men when it becomes clear to them that they aren’t going to propose. But that’s not the same as losing love for those men.
She’ll never agree to a non-marital long term relationship.
You’d be surprised how quickly women will agree to your terms when you have her gina tingle on lockdown. And if she doesn’t agree? Find yourself a woman who does. The mere threat of leaving her over this issue will often be enough to bring her around to your way of thinking.
I’ll just get married when I’m older. Late marriages have a lower divorce rate.
The reason younger marriages fail more often than marriages later in life is because younger people in their 20s have more options in the sexual market. Options = instability.
But don’t crow about the benefits of later marriages. For one, older women don’t have as many prime fertile years left in which to bear children. Two, later marriages often feel more like business propositions than ecstatic vows of love. That is not a good thing.
I’ll live longer as a married man.
Leaving aside that this statistic may be more myth than reality, what benefit is it to you to live a few extra years shuffling along painfully in well-worn slippers and gazing longingly outside windows at youth frolicking with the joy of health and vigor? My take on getting older: It’s immortality or bust.
It’s the right thing to do.
Right thing? I don’t give a shit. Good man? Fuck you! Go home and play with your pud. You wanna good life – don’t close! You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can’t take this, how can you take the abuse you get in divorce proceedings?
It’s good for society.
You’re right, it is. But since when did society give a fuck about you?
But I really love her.
Did you not really love her before you dropped to one knee?
I want to have kids.
This might be the only halfway acceptable reason to get married. If you want the best for your kids, raising them in a broken home is not the way to do it. But even here, women have the upper hand. No matter how much you love your kids, if a divorce happens (50% chance, 70+% chance the wife initiates it) you are going to be paying child support for the new lingerie your ex-wife buys to sexually please her blogger lover.
I don’t see how any man could want kids, though. Kids are a complete fun suck. They don’t get enjoyable until ages 11-13, after they’ve evolved from bratty ingrates and before they’ve turned into brooding ingrates. If men would think long and hard about kids, they’d come to the same conclusion I did: Changing diapers or sex in the woods? The choice is clear.
To all those imploring that I settle down, I say: Don’t hold your breath. Yes, I will get older. But then, I would have gotten older in a marriage, too. Yes, there is a risk I could live out my final, rapidly deteriorating years in solitude. But then, marriage is no guarantee of a life lived loved. A signature on a dotted line and a jointly filed tax return does not protect you from living loveless and solitary. There is also the small matter of my inquisitive eye. Even when I love the girl I’m with, it seems that when I’m out I can’t help but admire another beautiful woman in the vicinity, and to desire her in the most intimate manner. I imagine scenarios flirting with her, making her smile and her eyes sparkle, her legs cross and uncross in sublimated autoeroticism. This urge of mine does not have an off switch.
I know that hedonic convergence does not magically manifest in the gleam of a gold ring. Life is a parade of worry and high wire risk, of love and loneliness, and no socially manufactured arrangement exists to insulate you from your dreaded fears. To imagine otherwise is beta.[/spoiler]
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Seems to me like the PUA community has some really good things to offer the lonely men out there. Having self-confidence and being able to communicate and respond to other people (especially of the opposite gender) is something many a nerd have not really experienced.
HOWEVER there are some clear and somewhat scary potential side affects this seems to have. Fucking as many girls as possible should not be the goal, rather being able to socialize and have intimate relationships with interesting people that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to do. For those aspiring PUAs out there, I would advise taking everything you learn with a grain of salt! Don't sacrifice being a good person to get laid.
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On July 14 2011 15:05 Dark Stalker wrote: Also, if you're in it to get married, then you're an idiot:
I plan to have kids some day and I want to have a good environment for them. I want my woman to have good genetics so my kids will be sexy. Then they can grow up to be successful Asians and pwn people at Starcraft and mathematics.
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On July 14 2011 15:25 alphafuzard wrote: HOWEVER there are some clear and somewhat scary potential side affects this seems to have. Fucking as many girls as possible should not be the goal, rather being able to socialize and have intimate relationships with interesting people that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to do. For those aspiring PUAs out there, I would advise taking everything you learn with a grain of salt! Don't sacrifice being a good person to get laid.
Pickup doesn't make you a good or bad person. If you are a good person to begin with then you will probably stay that way and vice versa. In terms of pickup, even in 6 month period, you don't really change deep down in terms of what your values are. The only thing changes is you are more confident and you know how to engage conversations and how to move physically.
As far as getting laid a lot, people have been horny bastards since the beginning of time. Both men and women have been having a lotta sex for many many many generations. Just because you get it a lot doesn't change anything. And its not like women don't get horny. They want it just as much if not more than guys. I see it as a mutually beneficial thing.
And also, being funny and staying things that cause attraction.... thats not being deceptive.... at least no more than when girls put on makeup to look prettier, or when you wear something nice to a job interview. We are always putting on a proper front, that's life. If you go to a job interview and you have to fart, do you hold it? If so, why? Aren't you not being yourself? lol.
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IMO most of this shit is just common sense. And I don't think any of the people behind it believe otherwise. They learned some skills and they've just passed it on. I do, however, dispute certain things about it, for one, the success rate, and two, the assertion that these skills are really the most important thing. Three, that all women work the same way. Some of the shit that gets recommended would send some of my female friends into hysterical laughter. Ok, so allowing that...
I can get laid, but not by attractive women. I'm pretty sure I'm ugly, based on the way women have treated me my whole life.
I work out 3 times a week, hard. I'm in great shape. I dress damn well. Mostly european clothing. I'm a young professional with a CS degree. I'm smart. I'm funny, and clever, and easy to get along with. I like the outdoors, I like travel, I like going to the gym, I'm cultured. I enjoy wine, art films, fine food. I don't smoke, I love alone and I keep my apartment immaculate. I'm also pretty good in bed, as far as I can tell. My cock is enormous (sorry TMI). And really, I'm pretty humble, despite how this might appear 
Nobody is interested in me. Not friends of friends. Not women at the bar. I am NEVER approached (I usually approach, but I assume if I was attractive at least a few brave souls would approach me). Not even wasted girls at music festivals. Every girl I form a crush on ends up dating somebody else. I've tried every online dating website. I received maybe 3 messages after years, and none of them were interested after meeting me once. I send out witty, interesting messages and don't even get a response 90% of the time. The other 10%, they talk to me until I ask them out, then ignore me from there on. All my friends have gorgeous girlfriends.
I'm confident. I like myself. But women don't. I know I deserve the same sort of girls that my friends seem to find, and I'm not really interested in lowering my standards any more than I already have. I'm probably going to start just dating escorts. Seriously, escorts are hot, even if they are expensive. And I can afford it, so what the hell. When I'm an old man I'll be one of those gross fuckers that lives in thailand for the hookers. Can't wait.
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