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On February 25 2012 05:41 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:42 Snotling wrote:On February 25 2012 04:01 RaspberrySC2 wrote:
I have guys lined around the block wanting to get in my pants. I don't have sex with any of them.
Why wouldn't I do that? It's because I need to trust that they are competent enough to provide what is important to me... or at the very least be aware of it so that they can try. I don't get anything out of being fucked because a guy thinks I'm attractive and wants to get his junk wet. so you dont like sex? (sorry, had to :D ) Show nested quote +Who cares, but what she is doing is proving my point that it's a ton easier for girls. Even when she isn't looking to have sex, even when she is on top of that against having sex to a more extreme degree than most people, she isn't even TRYING to get sex, and yet she still has a ton of guys hitting on her.
Meanwhile, even dudes who know the moves and grooves have to put in a ton of effort and have a ton of interest in that sort of thing. Males who have the same demeanor and sentiments have no chance at all, whereas all a girl like Raspberry needs to do is say "I'll put down my shield because I just want to get fucked now" and it happens easily given what she said in her first sentence. It's just a fact of life :p. A guy can't do that, because girls don't "line up" on guys. While girls, like Raspberry, can be completely disinterested and aloof and still have ton of prospects, dudes won't get shit unless they really, really try at it (assuming they actually go after something decent in comparison to themselves; a lot guys go after much lower). I think what needs to be realized is that sometimes the goals are different. I like sensual sex. Most guys, in my experience, just want a cum receptacle (To put it kind of harshly). Of course, I'm only speaking for myself and from my own perspective. I just see it as having self-respect and not settling for trying to pretend that whoever it is that is deriving pleasure from my body actually likes me for who I am instead of viewing me as a glorified Tenga egg. To actually try to be helpful for this thread, there are women out there who do enjoy just casual sex. Just because it's not for me doesn't mean it's not for everyone so there are probably those out there who do get a different satisfaction from it that I may not be able to imagine very well. I think the key to either hooking up with someone or having a relationship with them is to treat them like a real person. I think we all generally like people who we can be friends with because friends look out fro each other and do things for each other that aren't entirely self-serving. Like... the idea that bros will look out for each other and straight up lie to the girlfriend or spouse of another bro to cover for him. I totally dig people who would do that for me (not that I'd ask them to, it's the sentiment that counts) and would be more likely to let myself be vulnerable around them... it's because I know they got my back and are in it for more than themselves. I dunno if any of this is making sense to any of you. I'll put this next piece of advice in spoilers because it could be traumatic to some readers: + Show Spoiler +If you're interested in a girl, behave around her like you would a sister you've had your entire life. That sounds incestuous I know, but think about it. You can't hide your authentic self from a sibling for your entire life. I, for one, can sniff out posers really easily. Authenticity is a turn on. Being cared about (like you would your sister) is a turn on. Not holding back while not objectifying is a turn on. I dare say that "we" (being the female population) being so casually inundated with offers for sex and guys trying to fuck us that we just have more experience choosing what we want. I hate working with generalizations so again, from my own experience, it seems like men generally have needs that are fulfilled with the physical and generally don't experience much vulnerability once the sex starts (unless they have general insecurities about penis size or premature ejaculation... both of which I find adorable, but I never tell anyone because they feel emasculated if I do). I, on the other hand, can't enjoy sex without emotion or feeling or some kind of connection. That's just me though. I don't think that there's anything wrong with any of this. I'm just saying that while I can recognize that men generally have needs in the physical realm and I will be ok with embracing that for them, *my* needs are in the emotional realm and I'd need someone who can try to embrace that for me. Otherwise, it feels like a one-way street and I'm not having my needs reciprocated. *edited for formatting, spelling and grammar errors and to remove unnecessary sentence... i'm so bad at writing  *
I think you missed my piont, and then went on an entirely different tangent lol. My point was that girls have to try far, far less to get laid (except in Evo's corner of Germany (lol jk)), and you came into this thread and gave me a perfect example. You're really disinterested and don't even try to get laid, and as you say, you have guys lining up. Lol. That's just how it is for a girl who isn't ass ugly and fat, and it's pretty easy not to be ass ugly and fat. All you have to do is decide you want sex, and you have it. As for guys, it's an entirely different story.
For one thing, if a guy did what you did, was very disinterested, didn't give much a care, put no effort into making relationships happen waiting for someone to do that, etc., they're never going to get any, plain and simple, because girls don't line up on guys. That said, guys really have to go out of their way in to put in a decent amount of time and effort to get stuff done. Girls just need to wear a dress, put on some make-up which enables even ugly girls to good enough, and go out someplace, and if they actually cared to have sex, they're going to get it, plain and simple, because guys are guaranteed to be hitting on them. Girls who actually try more than this bare minimum (albeit a very effective bare minimum) that most girls are at are going to have it really good. On the converse, girls don't hit on guys.
However, is this worth being a woman instead of a man in a man's consideration? Lol no. Because biology sucks, women tend to be on average physically, psychologically, and emotionally inferior. On top of that, culturally and socio-economically speaking, women aren't held in so high esteem as men are in American society. I mean, these things alone so greatly are just so much more significant than the disadvantage of actually having to try in order to get laid. On top of that, sex isn't the end-be-all for me either. It was somewhat when I was 15-19ish, and while I've always been interested in a more serious relationship, I've really upp'd that up past couple years. My standards are really fucking high too past couple years, and I think I need to tune them down a bit, because let's face it, I've had to make tons of leeway in every relationship I've been in in this period.
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On February 25 2012 05:13 r.Evo wrote:I hate to answer to long winding main point in a vewy short manner, but you don't get the difference (even though Rasperry put it right): Yes, its incredibly easy for a girl to get hit on. Yes, they get hit on all the time. The main point is: It is just as hard, if not harder, for a girl to hook up with a man she thinks is cute compared to a man. Show nested quote +Yeah, I agree with you. However, in my experience, it's always me getting over my own anxiety while comforting theirs. What is this you speak of of girls trying to help me feel comfortable? They've never done that. :s ...that's what girls learn for example if they're into pickup. A lot of it really comes from helplessness and established social models. "So I met this guy who was totally cute, and then I looked at him and he looked away." - that might be the typical female approach which failed. It's just way less spectacular than a guy walking over saying "Hi, I think you're cute." but it's the same concept. Basicly your assumption is this: Girl has lots of guys admiring her -> gets easy access to sex. Guy has to work to be admired by girls -> has harder access to sex. You're looking at how much the typical PUA does to get his girl and then look at how a typical girl does nothing compared to him. What I'm trying to convey is that the jump from "is admired" to "has sex with someone" is WAY bigger for girls than for guys. For a guy basicly any female in his social circle is a potential hook up, for a girl most men in her social circle are potential protectors/providers, but not potential hook ups. Basicly what I'm saying is that there's a reason why you hear so much "WOW YOURE SO DIFFERENT ITS SO HARD TO FIND A COOL GUY" as someone who's into seduction. tl;dr: Women don't have it easy. I'm cool with you saying "they got it easier than men", but something like "WOW ITS SO EASY FOR WOMEN THEY GET WHO THEY WANT LOL AND I HAVE TO BE SUPERMAN" is something where I belief the guy is lying to himself to find excuses. That's why I find that statement inacceptable. The reason why I'm even against "they got it easier than men" might not be because I believe it's true, but it's a part of my mindset which makes me successfull with women. As long as I believe that she is more scared than me or has it harder to find cool guys than I have it to find cool girls I'm putting myself into a position where suddenly whatever challenge arises is easier than with your mindset. I think what they are trying to say is something like that most men would be up for sex with the 95% of the females while most women go for the top 5%.
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On February 25 2012 05:51 squattincassanova wrote:
Why is there a female in the PUA thread? They give terrible advice.
We tolerate you as well when you give terrible advice, so you should do the same to other people posting in this thread.
In fact, while I think her sister example is kinda over the top I understand the general idea she's conveying and absolutely agree.
What she said in other words is: If you behave around someone like you've known him/her for years they will feel as if you know each other since years. Which, if you had any, you would know is the base of building solid comfort/rapport.
What she's trying to say with her sensual sex vs casual sex is that women (yup, I'm generalizing =P) expect to be treated like a great person and not like another point on the scoreboard. I'd like to add though that any good pickup or seduction includes that. All the points she's listing when it comes to "sensual" is stuff like feeling protected, feeling liked, feeling appreciated, feeling liked as a human being belong to the whole rapport/comfort stuff. If all that stuff works out then why not have fun together? (Please note that she's now not calling it "casual sex" anymore which she prolly associates with "Hey, yo, wanna fuck?" - "Yeah, sure let's go hon".)
Sidenote: If you fuck up those "emotional" parts, that's when you get LMR.
@Ras: Slap me if I misinterpreted anything.
On February 25 2012 07:16 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 06:32 sc4k wrote:On February 25 2012 05:51 squattincassanova wrote:
Why is there a female in the PUA thread? They give terrible advice. Come on this is a really low quality post. First of all everyone is entitled to express themselves on TL as long as they don't use memes, spoil matches or flame people. Secondly, what the hell IS this? It's almost like you are afraid of a girl stumbling across your D&D club?? Come on, man! I tell girls im a nerd all the time. In fact, I have had dates where I invite the girl to watch me play video games lmao.
You are afraid of a girl finding out you're into pickup and that's what he suggested. Just like you're afraid of being associated with your parents or being asian. It probably goes hand in hand with being afraid about others perceiving you as not as awesome in whatever you do, not matter if you are or if you aren't.
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On February 25 2012 05:41 RaspberrySC2 wrote:I think the key to either hooking up with someone or having a relationship with them is to treat them like a real person. I think we all generally like people who we can be friends with because friends look out fro each other and do things for each other that aren't entirely self-serving. Like... the idea that bros will look out for each other and straight up lie to the girlfriend or spouse of another bro to cover for him. I totally dig people who would do that for me (not that I'd ask them to, it's the sentiment that counts) and would be more likely to let myself be vulnerable around them... it's because I know they got my back and are in it for more than themselves.
While this advice isn't completely wrong, it's also not completely correct. While it is important to treating others like real people, it is by no means the key, and someone who only does what you suggested will simply end up friend-zoning themselves in most cases.
There's plenty of academic research which shows that people (men and women included) are very poor at judging what they want, so I hope you understand why I am fairly skeptical of the advice you're giving. Alternatively, it might be possible that you really do prefer to sleep with guys who are in your friendzone, but it's important to understand that this places you within a small minority of women.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2012 05:41 RaspberrySC2 wrote:If you're interested in a girl, behave around her like you would a sister you've had your entire life. That sounds incestuous I know, but think about it. You can't hide your authentic self from a sibling for your entire life. I, for one, can sniff out posers really easily. Authenticity is a turn on. Being cared about (like you would your sister) is a turn on. Not holding back while not objectifying is a turn on. Couple of clarifications: 1. Treat her not just as a sister, but as a little sister. The idea is that this frames her as socially submissive to you (e.g. you're in charge). 2. In addition to building rapport, as you implied, this also works because it compliments her (suggesting she's cute and that you care about her), while implicitly rejecting her (calling someone your sister is tantamount to LJBF). 3. It's important also to include kino and some subtle sexual flirting, otherwise a little sister frame can be very asexual (unless you're both into incest play, I suppose), or else you really will just LJBF the both of you.
On February 25 2012 05:41 RaspberrySC2 wrote:I dare say that "we" (being the female population) being so casually inundated with offers for sex and guys trying to fuck us that we just have more experience choosing what we want.
Academic research suggests that women are just pickier than men, for biological/evolutionary reasons. Women trend towards hypergamy; a woman is simply much less likely to accept sex or a date with a man of equal attractiveness, on a percentile basis (a woman who is in the 50th percentile of overall attractiveness will probably not be interested in a man who is also in the 50th percentile of attractivness).
In other words, the reason you get inundated with offers of sex is because the male demand for sex is much greater than the supply. In a sense, it's simple economics that the "price" (e.g. how attractive you have to be) for sex is much higher for guys than it is for girls.
On February 25 2012 05:41 RaspberrySC2 wrote:I, on the other hand, can't enjoy sex without emotion or feeling or some kind of connection. That's just me though. I don't think that there's anything wrong with any of this. I'm just saying that while I can recognize that men generally have needs in the physical realm and I will be ok with embracing that for them, *my* needs are in the emotional realm and I'd need someone who can try to embrace that for me. Otherwise, it feels like a one-way street and I'm not having my needs reciprocated.
Excellent points, which are also corroborated by academic research and the experiences of the seduction community as persepctives that can be generalized to a majority of women.
On February 25 2012 05:51 squattincassanova wrote:Why is there a female in the PUA thread? They give terrible advice.
Are you serious?
Her advice was far from perfect, but why do you have a problem with her posting in this thread?
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Hahaha, it's always a party when a girl stumbles into the PUA thread.
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On February 25 2012 07:48 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
However, is this worth being a woman instead of a man in a man's consideration? Lol no. Because biology sucks, women tend to be on average physically, psychologically, and emotionally inferior.
That's a pretty bold statement. Have any evidence to back this up?
Also, I say raspberry stays . Like r.Evo said, it's about the message she's trying to convey. If you don't realize now that women tend to operate on emotions moreso than men, then you really need to re-examine it in that context. Acting like she's your sister? Protective. Along with all the other things she said.
All I'm saying is look at the message beneath the words and not the words themselves.
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On February 25 2012 05:13 r.Evo wrote:I hate to answer to long winding main point in a vewy short manner, but you don't get the difference (even though Rasperry put it right): Yes, its incredibly easy for a girl to get hit on. Yes, they get hit on all the time. The main point is: It is just as hard, if not harder, for a girl to hook up with a man she thinks is cute compared to a man. Show nested quote +Yeah, I agree with you. However, in my experience, it's always me getting over my own anxiety while comforting theirs. What is this you speak of of girls trying to help me feel comfortable? They've never done that. :s ...that's what girls learn for example if they're into pickup. A lot of it really comes from helplessness and established social models. "So I met this guy who was totally cute, and then I looked at him and he looked away." - that might be the typical female approach which failed. It's just way less spectacular than a guy walking over saying "Hi, I think you're cute." but it's the same concept. Basicly your assumption is this: Girl has lots of guys admiring her -> gets easy access to sex. Guy has to work to be admired by girls -> has harder access to sex. You're looking at how much the typical PUA does to get his girl and then look at how a typical girl does nothing compared to him. What I'm trying to convey is that the jump from "is admired" to "has sex with someone" is WAY bigger for girls than for guys. For a guy basicly any female in his social circle is a potential hook up, for a girl most men in her social circle are potential protectors/providers, but not potential hook ups. Basicly what I'm saying is that there's a reason why you hear so much "WOW YOURE SO DIFFERENT ITS SO HARD TO FIND A COOL GUY" as someone who's into seduction. tl;dr: Women don't have it easy. I'm cool with you saying "they got it easier than men", but something like "WOW ITS SO EASY FOR WOMEN THEY GET WHO THEY WANT LOL AND I HAVE TO BE SUPERMAN" is something where I belief the guy is lying to himself to find excuses. That's why I find that statement inacceptable. The reason why I'm even against "they got it easier than men" might not be because I believe it's true, but it's a part of my mindset which makes me successfull with women. As long as I believe that she is more scared than me or has it harder to find cool guys than I have it to find cool girls I'm putting myself into a position where suddenly whatever challenge arises is easier than with your mindset.
Excuse my occasional hyperbole. But my point was, girls get hit on a lot. If they have in their head that they want to get laid, it's ridiculously easy, because so many people are hitting on them. I'm glad we can agree on that.
As for guys, girls don't hit on guys. They can't just be doing their own thing, and girls go up to them and ask them out on a date. That shit doesn't happen.
First, I'm not looking at PUAs. I'm looking at typical dudes and typical girls. Typical dudes still have to do a lot, while, as you say, the typical girl doesn't really need to do much at all.
Now what you're bringing up is the psychological side of things, because some girls have psychological barriers like what you're talking about with the jump from admiring to sex. But then you start introducing deadlock...
For a guy basicly any female in his social circle is a potential hook up, for a girl most men in her social circle are potential protectors/providers, but not potential hook ups.
This is basically deadlock. Guy has no issue hooking up, but the girl does. This is a problem.
Now, psychological barriers that girls put up aside, my point still stands. If you're getting hit on with the intent of sex, that obviously means you have easy access to sex. That's all I am saying. You admitted that girls get hit on a lot, so girls that don't have these self-induced psychological barriers set up, getting laid is extremely easy for them. That's all I'm saying.
You don't know my mindset. Your mindset is simply a subset of mine. It is part of mine. Mine transcends yours. You see, I like challenges. I've grown up having to overcome unfavorable odds to get success in almost anything, and I know I can get shit done. When I recognize my odds are unfavorable and forces are working against me, I have it in mind to come out on top, but I never ever ignore the circumstances. If one ignores circumstances and conditions, they're being ignorant. Sure, it doesn't make a big deal in things like pick-up, but if you're in any sort of leadership position in business, or politics, or military or engineering and you act like that, you're going to fuck shit up pretty badly.. Of course I believe that I'm less scared than they are, like you do, because let's face it, if they had any guts, they'd be the ones making it really obvious they want to hook up, whether or not US culture and social models are very patriarchal and put this whole burden on men primarily.
On February 25 2012 05:56 couches wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:44 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
A guy can't do that, because girls don't "line up" on guys. While girls, like Raspberry, can be completely disinterested and aloof and still have ton of prospects, dudes won't get shit unless they really, really try at it (assuming they actually go after something decent in comparison to themselves; a lot guys go after much lower). Actually they do(unless you're a...well, fat nasty cow), and the line is usually composed of people you wouldn't want to get with for whatever reason. They are just more subtle about it...sometimes. At least until they notice obvious competition.
Not so much as with girls. Like, girls you don't know, obviously you will never know if they're interested in you or not obviously. Girls you do know, it's obvious they're very subtle. The issue is when you bring it up, often times they're in denial. As a very frank person, nothing grinds my gears like people who don't have an ounce of guts in them. >_> But this is still incorrect. You know why? Because the guy is still the one that has to make the effort in hooking up. Whereas a guy "lining up" on a girl does nearly everything, a girl "lining up" on a guy basically tries to give signals (which usually either fails entirely or it is so subtle one wouldn't notice even if they're a criminal interrogator and can notice anything) after which the guy notices and then puts in the effort to hook up if interested.
Btw, I'm fairly okay looking, 6 feet 160 lbs, low body fat. lol. Given my living circumstances, I don't have so many of these girls you describe since I see such girls a lot less often than say other dudes do, so any relationship so far in college has been meeting new girls and hooking up. When I lived with pals for a bit near campus, yeah, I did have a good number of these lol, and other things  .
I guess it'll be a lot better when I've graduated and the playing field is a lot more level than the climb up Mt. Everest it is right now. Neither does it doesn't help I chose a retardedly difficult and time consuming major whose graduating students from each year I can count on my fingers with ease :s. But haha, I do what I can and I get shit done. That's what matters  .
That's a pretty bold statement. Have any evidence to back this up?
Anyone who even wants to do serious research in the the emotional, psychological, and intellectual differences between men and women will get buried. You have to live in a cave if you don't know that. It's not something you can do, as much as it would advance our knowledge on humans. However, physically, if you don't know that women tend to be physically weaker than men, you've never seen a woman in your life. That's obviously well-document in biology because it's an easily observable HARD fact. Go outside, or if you want to get scientific, open a biology book.
Now, emotionally, men tend to be a lot more level-headed, don't have mood swings like no tomorrow, and don't have negative emotional extremes (anger, sadness, etc.), often times even spontaneously, among other things very commonplace with women. Some of this is the result of biological functions like hormones, which due to being a HARD science fact, it doesn't get flak for it. In any case, fact of the matter is females are just emotionally weaker (and far more unstable) than males.
Psychologically is somewhat related to this, but in general, dudes have much thicker skin. It's very easy to psychologically hurt a female compared to a male. On top of this, culturally, men are supposed to be tough, so there's also a cultural stimulus for men to develop thicker skin. Not just that, but since humans existed, men have always been the ones to manage and overcome all the serious crises, traumas, hardships, and disasters to provide for families and groups because they were just naturally better suited for it.
Now, as far as intelligence goes, the reason I didn't mention it in my last post is that I am a firm believer that at least in this regard, men and women are even.
You think this is something I like? Hell no. My ideology is centered on all humans being equal. I would very much like if men and women were emotionally and psychologically on equal footing. For example, I love reasoning and logic as I'm rather intellectual, and moreso, calmness and composure, employing reason over emotion. #1 complain I hear from guys about good girls mind you, not messed up or douchey ones, even airheaded dudes who are unreasonable themselves, about girls is how they can't be reasoned with, especially when in the slightest bout of emotions, and this is the worst thing for me too, when I can't have a decently serious conversation or talk about anything troubling unless the girl is in a state of nirvana (exaggerating a bit here but bear with me). However, this is where ideology bashes heads with biologically and culturally influenced actualities. For a realist like me, this ideology is pretty idealistic.
You know what, fuck it. Screw my championing of equality and fairness. I'm going to be a normal American guy, and do things the way successful people do things, rather than putting myself through more stress with these fancy ideals of mine.
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This thread is so damn serious, can I crack a joke once in a while?
And r.EVO, I can tell you read a lot of PUA materials. Every time I read your post, its like a dejavu to David Deangelo / RSD Foundations / Blueprint / Venutian Arts. We all read it bro! I hate to admit, I was a keyboard jockey for 4 years. Can we keep this thread light hearted and based on cool personal experiences? I would much rather hear a story about where you took a girl on a cool date or what witty thing you said to her that caused something magical to happen. I mean, if someone really wanted to read all the theoretical knowledge, they can just go to bristollair or altfastseduction and download 2000 pages of ebook material. I'm serious.
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@ JudicatorHammurabi:
I understood your point. The point I was making is that you place a certain value level on the physical act of sex. It has a certain importance to you. Where I think you may be going awry is that you seem to be assuming that the same importance and value is placed on it by women. From my own experience, I *don't* place as high a value on it. It's not as important to me. It's not as much a need for me as it seems to be for you. What I do value is what is in short supply.
As an example, using the language in this thread, it would be like if you did have a line of women who wanted to have sex with you, but you weren't attracted to them because they were "fat, nasty cows" so you don't actually want it. You don't feel that your needs would be met in a way that is satisfying to you. This is what it's like for me. I have lots of guys who are attracted to me and want to have sex with me, but they're not going to give me what I want or need. So yeah, I guess I have it "easier", but so would you if you started going for the ones you don't really want.
I don't know how much more I want to invest in talking with you because you communicate like someone who is already set in their ways as to what is "better" so much that you make sweeping generalizations about who is "superior" in a few different contexts which are things that I would declare to be extremely subjective and personal. To attempt to place these things against an objective measuring stick sounds... sociopathic... like a product of industrialized culture.
All in all, I would encourage that you consider that a mountain of gold is worth less to a man in the middle of the desert than a cup of water and apply this analogy to all of your views about qualifying who has what easier and what is better than something else.
@r.Evo
I don't think anything was misinterpreted. I'm not an academic and while I could spend hours with each post trying to find the most accurate and specific wording, it's not really that important to me. Thank you for being understanding.
@sunprince
Again, I'm not an academic. I haven't looked at statistics because it's not important to me. I just try to relate how I feel about things.
+ Show Spoiler +I didn't want to get *too* specific with the sister analogy because a lot of guys may not even have a sister so I didn't want to try to distinguish between attitudes between older and younger ones. It's also ok to have the perspective that you do. It's just one of those things that you never tell her because it could be insulting to her (just like my perspectives on small penises and prematures)
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On February 25 2012 08:45 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Again, I'm not an academic. I haven't looked at statistics because it's not important to me. I just try to relate how I feel about things.
I understand. The idea was to gives you some idea how well your personal experiences might actually generalize to others.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2012 08:45 RaspberrySC2 wrote:I didn't want to get *too* specific with the sister analogy because a lot of guys may not even have a sister so I didn't want to try to distinguish between attitudes between older and younger ones. It's also ok to have the perspective that you do. It's just one of those things that you never tell her because it could be insulting to her (just like my perspectives on small penises and prematures) You certainly don't have to explicitly tell a girl that you're treating her like a "little sister". The idea, however, is that you are at least treating a girl with kindness and protectiveness, but also as if you were in charge and not primarily interested in sex with her. So you treat her as a sister, and she'll feel that you care about her but also implicitly semi-reject her, whether or not you tell her that's what you're doing.
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On February 25 2012 08:34 squattincassanova wrote:
This thread is so damn serious, can I crack a joke once in a while?
And r.EVO, I can tell you read a lot of PUA materials. Every time I read your post, its like a dejavu to David Deangelo / RSD Foundations / Blueprint / Venutian Arts. We all read it bro! I hate to admit, I was a keyboard jockey for 4 years. Can we keep this thread light hearted and based on cool personal experiences? I would much rather hear a story about where you took a girl on a cool date or what witty thing you said to her that caused something magical to happen. I mean, if someone really wanted to read all the theoretical knowledge, they can just go to bristollair or altfastseduction and download 2000 pages of ebook material. I'm serious.
I didn't read any PUA material since about 3 years. What I'm writing about in my posts is mostly from about 3-4 years of field experience and from about 6 years experience total when it comes to coaching people about how to improve their various social skills.
If you, and others, spew out bad advice or spew out how misogynistic their view of the world is (hi hamurabi) I'll be around to call it out if I'm in the mood to do so.
No point in you guys making the PUA community looking this bad when most of the guys in there are actually rather cool guys with bad luck in their history trying to improve at something others take for granted.
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On February 25 2012 08:58 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 08:34 squattincassanova wrote:
This thread is so damn serious, can I crack a joke once in a while?
And r.EVO, I can tell you read a lot of PUA materials. Every time I read your post, its like a dejavu to David Deangelo / RSD Foundations / Blueprint / Venutian Arts. We all read it bro! I hate to admit, I was a keyboard jockey for 4 years. Can we keep this thread light hearted and based on cool personal experiences? I would much rather hear a story about where you took a girl on a cool date or what witty thing you said to her that caused something magical to happen. I mean, if someone really wanted to read all the theoretical knowledge, they can just go to bristollair or altfastseduction and download 2000 pages of ebook material. I'm serious.
I didn't read any PUA material since about 3 years. What I'm writing about in my posts is mostly from about 3-4 years of field experience and from about 6 years experience total when it comes to coaching people about how to improve their various social skills. If you, and others, spew out bad advice or spew out how misogynistic their view of the world is (hi hamurabi) I'll be around to call it out if I'm in the mood to do so. No point in you guys making the PUA community looking this bad when most of the guys in there are actually rather cool guys with bad luck in their history trying to improve at something others take for granted.
Saying girls have much easier access to sex is misogynistic? There is absolutely nothing misogynistic in noticing a simple fact about society that dudes hit on girls. Please tell me you're trolling.
Having it ingrained in my head to view women as exact equals, something not a single person I know does, is misogynistic? Yeah, you're certainly trolling.
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Let's look at intent, if you want to go further. I'm mainly just interested in finding a really ideal relationship. Probably why my standards are higher than anyone I've known by many degrees of magnitude. There's nothing misogynistic in that.
On the other hand, dudes whose interest in girls is 99% sexual are basically treating girls like objects. That's pretty misogynistic looking at women as less than human. Then to call someone else misogynistic seems pretty hypocritical to me lol.
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On February 25 2012 08:58 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 08:34 squattincassanova wrote:
This thread is so damn serious, can I crack a joke once in a while?
And r.EVO, I can tell you read a lot of PUA materials. Every time I read your post, its like a dejavu to David Deangelo / RSD Foundations / Blueprint / Venutian Arts. We all read it bro! I hate to admit, I was a keyboard jockey for 4 years. Can we keep this thread light hearted and based on cool personal experiences? I would much rather hear a story about where you took a girl on a cool date or what witty thing you said to her that caused something magical to happen. I mean, if someone really wanted to read all the theoretical knowledge, they can just go to bristollair or altfastseduction and download 2000 pages of ebook material. I'm serious.
I didn't read any PUA material since about 3 years. What I'm writing about in my posts is mostly from about 3-4 years of field experience and from about 6 years experience total when it comes to coaching people about how to improve their various social skills. If you, and others, spew out bad advice or spew out how misogynistic their view of the world is (hi hamurabi) I'll be around to call it out if I'm in the mood to do so. No point in you guys making the PUA community looking this bad when most of the guys in there are actually rather cool guys with bad luck in their history trying to improve at something others take for granted.
I could care less what people think about the community. The truth of the fact is, most guys who get good leave the community and the forums, leaving the creepy and the inept ones behind. The ones that don't get good themselves usually quit after a few years. That's why when new guys come onto the forums, they see more or less the same stereotypical lair dude.
Usually when you get into the game, you meet wings, and guys you click with, and you just form your own social circle. Take Kong, Jesse, and Jason from SimplePickup. They used to be regulars on CasanovaCrew.com but now that they are semi famous, they never post there anymore.
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I think one area where a lot of guys get caught up is paying too much attention to what women say. Honesty is very important in life & women are especially good at picking up on bullshit, so you shouldn`t try to deceive them (nor do you have to as women are every bit as eager as men) but in order to understand what is going on pay less attention to her words and more attention to her actions.
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On February 25 2012 09:13 TheGeneralTheoryOf wrote:
I think one area where a lot of guys get caught up is paying too much attention to what women say. Honesty is very important in life & women are especially good at picking up on bullshit, so you shouldn`t try to deceive them (nor do you have to as women are every bit as eager as men) but in order to understand what is going on pay less attention to her words and more attention to her actions.
Pretty much this. Being able to listen to things like body language and the feelings behind words is a great skill to have. Anyways. Friday night here. I'm out.
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On February 25 2012 09:13 TheGeneralTheoryOf wrote:
I think one area where a lot of guys get caught up is paying too much attention to what women say. Honesty is very important in life & women are especially good at picking up on bullshit, so you shouldn`t try to deceive them (nor do you have to as women are every bit as eager as men) but in order to understand what is going on pay less attention to her words and more attention to her actions.
Its not so much what they say or even indicators of interest. What really matters is their level of compliance. A girl could be touching you and smiling and giggling but if you ask her to move 5 feet with you or if you ask her to hold your drink and she says no, then shes not that into you. I have had many girls who were flirty with me but not compliant, its fake. Shes not that into you. Some girls just like to flirt with everyone; they love the attention.
Compliance is the name of the game. Whats sex really? The biggest compliance a woman can give you. Amateurs do things to get a laugh or attention. Guys who are good look for opportunities to get compliance. Compliance leads to investment which leads to furthering the interaction.
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On February 25 2012 09:41 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:13 TheGeneralTheoryOf wrote:
I think one area where a lot of guys get caught up is paying too much attention to what women say. Honesty is very important in life & women are especially good at picking up on bullshit, so you shouldn`t try to deceive them (nor do you have to as women are every bit as eager as men) but in order to understand what is going on pay less attention to her words and more attention to her actions. Its not so much what they say or even indicators of interest. What really matters is their level of compliance. A girl could be touching you and smiling and giggling but if you ask her to move 5 feet with you or if you ask her to hold your drink and she says no, then shes not that into you. I have had many girls who were flirty with me but not compliant, its fake. Shes not that into you. Some girls just like to flirt with everyone; they love the attention. Compliance is the name of the game. Whats sex really? The biggest compliance a woman can give you. Amateurs do things to get a laugh or attention. Guys who are good look for opportunities to get compliance. Compliance leads to investment which leads to furthering the interaction.
It can also walk to other way around. Sex can be the biggest compliance a man will offer to a woman.
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On February 25 2012 09:57 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:41 squattincassanova wrote:On February 25 2012 09:13 TheGeneralTheoryOf wrote:
I think one area where a lot of guys get caught up is paying too much attention to what women say. Honesty is very important in life & women are especially good at picking up on bullshit, so you shouldn`t try to deceive them (nor do you have to as women are every bit as eager as men) but in order to understand what is going on pay less attention to her words and more attention to her actions. Its not so much what they say or even indicators of interest. What really matters is their level of compliance. A girl could be touching you and smiling and giggling but if you ask her to move 5 feet with you or if you ask her to hold your drink and she says no, then shes not that into you. I have had many girls who were flirty with me but not compliant, its fake. Shes not that into you. Some girls just like to flirt with everyone; they love the attention. Compliance is the name of the game. Whats sex really? The biggest compliance a woman can give you. Amateurs do things to get a laugh or attention. Guys who are good look for opportunities to get compliance. Compliance leads to investment which leads to furthering the interaction. It can also walk to other way around. Sex can be the biggest compliance a man will offer to a woman.
lol yeah whatever dude. I was thinking maybe donating a kidney lmao.
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On February 25 2012 10:03 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:57 Xiphos wrote:On February 25 2012 09:41 squattincassanova wrote:On February 25 2012 09:13 TheGeneralTheoryOf wrote:
I think one area where a lot of guys get caught up is paying too much attention to what women say. Honesty is very important in life & women are especially good at picking up on bullshit, so you shouldn`t try to deceive them (nor do you have to as women are every bit as eager as men) but in order to understand what is going on pay less attention to her words and more attention to her actions. Its not so much what they say or even indicators of interest. What really matters is their level of compliance. A girl could be touching you and smiling and giggling but if you ask her to move 5 feet with you or if you ask her to hold your drink and she says no, then shes not that into you. I have had many girls who were flirty with me but not compliant, its fake. Shes not that into you. Some girls just like to flirt with everyone; they love the attention. Compliance is the name of the game. Whats sex really? The biggest compliance a woman can give you. Amateurs do things to get a laugh or attention. Guys who are good look for opportunities to get compliance. Compliance leads to investment which leads to furthering the interaction. It can also walk to other way around. Sex can be the biggest compliance a man will offer to a woman. lol yeah whatever dude. I was thinking maybe donating a kidney lmao.
Hey if that is what you really want to do, then by all means go right ahead.
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On February 25 2012 09:57 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:41 squattincassanova wrote:On February 25 2012 09:13 TheGeneralTheoryOf wrote:
I think one area where a lot of guys get caught up is paying too much attention to what women say. Honesty is very important in life & women are especially good at picking up on bullshit, so you shouldn`t try to deceive them (nor do you have to as women are every bit as eager as men) but in order to understand what is going on pay less attention to her words and more attention to her actions. Its not so much what they say or even indicators of interest. What really matters is their level of compliance. A girl could be touching you and smiling and giggling but if you ask her to move 5 feet with you or if you ask her to hold your drink and she says no, then shes not that into you. I have had many girls who were flirty with me but not compliant, its fake. Shes not that into you. Some girls just like to flirt with everyone; they love the attention. Compliance is the name of the game. Whats sex really? The biggest compliance a woman can give you. Amateurs do things to get a laugh or attention. Guys who are good look for opportunities to get compliance. Compliance leads to investment which leads to furthering the interaction. It can also walk to other way around. Sex can be the biggest compliance a man will offer to a woman.
Could you please elaborate on what you mean? I'm not really getting it.
In the context of what squattin was talking about, he's talking about a dude hitting on a girl and basically in the process of seduction seeing if she's compliant. Like, where is the guy compliant in all of this?
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