EG launch $10,000 Master's Cup Series League - Page 31

On May 02 2011 23:39 Mactator wrote:
LOL! This just shows how colored this discussion is. You show us four games. In all of them one of the teams makes a proxy gate and the other forgot to scout. Come'on. This is not a standard example of 2v2. This is just bad play from 1v1 players who doesn't take team games serious. These 1v1 progamers don't practice hard for team games or play them regularly. To have a good 2v2 tournament the teams should at least take 2v2 seriously and develop some strategies. When Actionjesuz wins a 1v1 with 6 pool those that mean 1v1 is stupid - not really!

On May 02 2011 23:31 infinity2k9 wrote:
I dunno what someone has to do to convince you. The maps won't stop it being like that.

On May 02 2011 23:35 Irrational_Animal wrote:
@ Nihlon but there are no GSL-like 2v2 maps and in Europe there are a couple 2v2 tourneys and the games are all alike. A very good 2v2 team from Germany Delphi/Kara mentioned on Take`s cast that hardly anything apart from TZ aggression play is viable. That`s how they or Aristeo/Cubert from Empire have 90% win rates.

On May 02 2011 13:41 Plexa wrote:
The precedent certainly is that all games are played on NA and recent tournaments like NASL and CGPL have certainly pushed to make this the standard. The precedent stems from the fact that traditionally KR access has been limited and well, the delay between servers is not ideal. There is no incentive outside of Korea to change this precedent since, as inc correctly points out, this affects a minority of players (precisely 3 Liquid players and anyone else inside of Korea).

Liquid have been putting up subpar performances in teamleagues and one of those influencing factors has been the insistence on playing on NA from KR. Indeed, this is a contributing reason to Huk/Jinro not participating in NASL - why bother playing in a tournament you know you can't perform your best in and display games of 'poor' skill and have your image damaged as a result? It makes no sense.

EG. invited liquid was a nice gesture, but realistically liquid had two options
- play in subpar conditions
- take a stand

And this time, they chose the latter. The line had to be drawn somewhere and in this case it was this tournament (and the machinima 2nd invite tour). There's no reason to go parading the liquid flag out only for our players to perform below what is expected of them.

Indeed as we move towards a global esports world where the Korean (and Chinese) scene is an integral part of our expanded community the precedent that NA is the default server needs to change. Else you are effectively locking out those regions from participating to their fullest. While this can't be done in all cases, any major tournament putting up a significant prize pool should be willing to accommodate such requests. The precedent must be changed so that we have a fair competitive environment for all - this will only become more important as more and more non-Western players enter our tournaments.

Perhaps this tournament isn't large enough to justify changing the precedent just yet - but it does highlight that this is an issue that needs to be addressed at a global level. But honestly, EG.'s invite, while appreciated, was never a realistic option for Liquid for the reasons cited. It's unfortunate, they're not trying to take over the world of team leagues - they're just trying to run a tournament. . And thats fine.

So let's just take this tournament for what it is. It's going to be a good team tournament between a few of the better clans around for a decent prize pool. And yeah, there will probably be a lot of good games.

On May 02 2011 23:46 price wrote:
reading over this thread, i completely understand why TL members would not want to play with lag and how the servers could be changed to remedy this and pros and cons of doing this.

what i'm confused about though is why TL didn't try to join the EG tourney anyways just for the shot of playing for money. is it not worth their time? even if they are handicapped due to lag and playing at a sub-par level, they still have a shot right? placing in the top 3 ... i mean, isn't it worth a try?

i'm disappointed i wont get to see TL play against other teams, even if TL isn't playing their best.

On May 02 2011 23:55 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

We could, and in the past we have - but we have to at least try to get tournaments to change this, and if everytime we just play anyway, why would they?

I do think this will be a great event, and I would have loved to play in it.

On May 03 2011 00:07 hmunkey wrote:

I understand what you wanted to do, but why call it out and start a public shitstorm? Why couldn't your management/players privately contact EG? It's not like you don't already know them and not have the ability to do so.

Honestly, this thread really made me think less of a lot of players. I'm used to IdrA starting shit (and he did), but why does everyone else have to? It makes professional gamers seem like anything but professional.

On May 02 2011 10:43 Colbi wrote:

Despite every European team agreeing to the ruleset without any concern, Team Liquid requested we make a rule that forced teams to alternate between servers from game to game for NA/EU and NA/KR matches. Since no European team issued this concern other than Team Liquid, we did not feel it appropriate to impose the rule on everyone which would just further complicate scheduling and broadcasting. Additionally, it should be noted that our ruleset did and does allow teams to play on either BattleNet region if both teams agree upon it.

On May 03 2011 00:07 hmunkey wrote:

I understand what you wanted to do, but why call it out and start a public shitstorm? Why couldn't your management/players privately contact EG? It's not like you don't already know them and not have the ability to do so.

Honestly, this thread really made me think less of a lot of players. I'm used to IdrA starting shit (and he did), but why does everyone else have to? It makes professional gamers seem like anything but professional.

On May 02 2011 23:50 nihlon wrote:


It will make a difference. I'm not saying it will suddenly become the greates thing ever, but your insistance that everything will remain the same no matter what is ridiculous... Also, who said it has to turn into a big macro game to be entertaining? I didn't.



All I'm saying there should be maps like that. Instead of whining about the state of 2v2 (much like people whined about early rushes in 1v1), maybe do something about it. The maps is something we as a community can have an effect on and why should I believe people (infinity2k9) that having better maps won't reduce the efficiency of a number of rushes?

On May 02 2011 23:55 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

We could, and in the past we have - but we have to at least try to get tournaments to change this, and if everytime we just play anyway, why would they?

I do think this will be a great event, and I would have loved to play in it.