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Candles
United Kingdom103 Posts
Things like EG's policy will only discourage players from going to Korea as their clans will be negatively affected by such events. I think overall it shows a lack of support for foreign E-sports and that's a shame. We should all be in the same boat and helping each other out. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 02 2011 10:26 last.resistance wrote: Let's all jump to conclusions before we know the full story! TEAM LIQUID RAN OVER EG'S DOG!!! MORE AFTER THE BREAK... On May 02 2011 10:43 Colbi wrote: Despite every European team agreeing to the ruleset without any concern, Team Liquid requested we make a rule that forced teams to alternate between servers from game to game for NA/EU and NA/KR matches. Since no European team issued this concern other than Team Liquid, we did not feel it appropriate to impose the rule on everyone which would just further complicate scheduling and broadcasting. Additionally, it should be noted that our ruleset did and does allow teams to play on either BattleNet region if both teams agree upon it. ...oh. Well, that seems reasonable. And I say that as a TL fan. Organiser makes the rules, not worth it to accomodate one team if it means complicating it for the other 7 teams. Lineup is great, but MYM will get their asses kicked. I actually regard Empire more highly (FXO has a fantastic top 3 as well but not enough depth), but that may be just me!  | ||
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Kar98
Australia924 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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InteGrated
United States259 Posts
im sure if this was the case from a european team league tournament, this factor wouldnt be such a big deal but hey.. it comes down to blaming EG for rules that they think fit a tournament and give it the most validity. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:17 cuppatea wrote: For the people wondering what "high level 2v2" looks like, here are a few examples from the Machinima Realm Invitational (which EG won, thanks to their stellar 2v2 record): EG proxy gate/ling rushing JulyZerg and Junwi (offracing as Terran) and winning in 8 minutes: EG proxy gate/ling rushing Morrow and Strelok and winning in 14 minutes: EG proxy gate/ling rushing Drewbie and Catz and winning in 10 minutes: EG proxy gate/ling rushing PungPung and Atreyu and winning in 11 minutes: Basically, "high level 2v2" equals 4 1v1 players playing a game in which the team with very little preperation execute a 1 base rush and kill the guys with zero preperation. I'd rather they just played a reverse race game if they HAVE to throw a "fun" game in there, at least most of the players will have more experience playing with their offrace than with their designated 2v2 partner. Step 1) Realize that there has been 1v1 tournaments with a lot of games in the 8-14 minutes range Step 2) Realize that Blizzard maps suck. Step 3) Play on different maps | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Candles
United Kingdom103 Posts
- EG run a tournament which will make the company money (I assume) - Their own team is entering - They know they're probably the strongest North American Team - They tilt the advantage slightly in their own favor by offering strong European teams slightly higher Latency when playing North Americans . - They win the tournament and not only do they make money, but their team also takes home the prize pool. If this is definitely wrong I apologize (for making such a nasty accusation), but from a skeptics view point this is what it looks like... | ||
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sc_oldboy
Germany35 Posts
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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echobong
Canada92 Posts
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ExquisiteRed
396 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:32 Candles wrote: Not to make large blind accusations but it all smells a little bit like a scam to me... - EG run a tournament which will make the company money (I assume) - Their own team is entering - They know they're probably the strongest North American Team - They tilt the advantage slightly in their own favor by offering strong European teams slightly higher Latency when playing North Americans . - They win the tournament and not only do they make money, but their team also takes home the prize pool. If this is definitely wrong I apologize (for making such a nasty accusation), but from a skeptics view point this is what it looks like... Did you even read their explanations. Think before you type something so stupid. Everyone, including EG, knows that the tournament would benefit from having TL in it, this just causes a lot of logistical problems for running a tourney. Some of you people are ridiculous. | ||
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Mactator
109 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:17 cuppatea wrote: For the people wondering what "high level 2v2" looks like, here are a few examples from the Machinima Realm Invitational (which EG won, thanks to their stellar 2v2 record): ....... | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:32 sc_oldboy wrote: No FXO? Both MYM and millenium compared to FXO seem to not measure up. I wanted to disagree, but then I noticed that I completely forgot about Moonan. Moonglade, Sheth, qxc, Moonan... and Optikzero I guess? Good lineup, if a bit light on Protoss. Maybe FXO will expand their lineup with a heavy hitting Protoss in the future. Man, there's so many good teams out there ;_; Needs to be a 10 (12, 14, 16) league next time. :p | ||
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Deekin[
Serbia1713 Posts
But one thing that strikes me the most is no TeamLiquid  | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:41 Deekin[ wrote: People keeps saying "No Empire, no FXO" etc But one thing that strikes me the most is no TeamLiquid Then apparently you didn't read most of this thread since that horse has been beaten to death. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:41 Deekin[ wrote: People keeps saying "No Empire, no FXO" etc But one thing that strikes me the most is no TeamLiquid Interesting, you're definitely the first to point this out. No one has discussed this in this thread before and the large majority of posts certainly don't mention Team Liquid missing. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
Sadly though this tournament is hosted by an NA team and they want to give their team the best chance to win, why else would they have 2v2 and ace match? I agree with TL that there should be a fair solution to the lag issues, but this is really not a viable solution at least for a NA clan league and this really isn't the right place to bring it up. TL still has ret / TLO / Tyler that aren't in Korea at the moment, so they would be able to play in this tournament without any Korean players. Playing on Korea just for a few matches in the tournament would be such a HUGE disadvantage, none of your opponents will ever have experienced the lag, while you guys do it regularly and it is a completely unreasonable solution. It would definitely be fair to play on EU for half the games, and that wouldn't bother me one bit. For me the lag is not an issue between EU/NA so I don't think that its a big advantage to play only on NA, although naniwa says that he has noticeable lag on NA so I guess it is different for each player. | ||
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