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NonY
8748 Posts
Why would it be best for everyone to refer back to that post? Colbi's response is disingenuous. So much more information has been posted. I think you cut it like that because you're EG and this little exchange makes EG look better. You're either shamelessly biased or have very little understanding of the discussion. You've even quoted my exclamation of perspective and still proceed with emphasizing only EG's perspective. You'd work much better as a joke. Are you a joke? I hope you're joking. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
Would be nice to know team line ups if there not released yet. Also get JP with DJwheat, Co commentaries are usually better in my opinion, still love DJwheat tho <3. | ||
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Thorantham
United States221 Posts
On May 02 2011 17:03 IdrA wrote: they set the precedent for a world wide tournament that is not what this is. there are no korean teams for a reason. there isnt a fair way to have asian and western players compete online right now. What are you talking about? Then why are there Korean players in the "NORTH AMERICAN' Star League? | ||
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Guthix
United States209 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
As for the TL team issue, I'm hoping they recruit more players to compensate for the players who are in Korea. Though, that's a stretch. Anyways, is Demuslim going to be in this? | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:37 Thorantham wrote: What are you talking about? Then why are there Korean players in the "NORTH AMERICAN' Star League? They have to deal with lag and play at 4am in the morning. They compete despite of those handicaps, but that doesn't mean it's fair. | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On May 02 2011 14:35 Jotoco wrote: I think we can all agree on one point: In the end the blame is on Blizzard. If we had: 1 - LAN; 2 - P2P Connection. We would not have this problem. For piracy concerns, each player should be connected to his "home" server for authentication and we would all be happy and would enjoy the best possible lag situation every game, every league. (and in Ladder too) EDIT: Not to mention all the embarrassing problems with battle net on several tournaments so far. How would LAN help in this situation? I agree that LAN is a necessity as much as anyone, but your point doesn't make a lick of sense. | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
Dropped the ball there EG. | ||
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Chinchillin
United States259 Posts
Either was gonna be great and I'll watch it, just wanted to see Huk's adorable probe micro. Dignitas fightin yo | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I'm also pretty disappointed that EG are setting up the rules so that it favours EG as much as possible... not inviting Empire (one of the best teams in Europe and DEFINITELY better than Millenium, and some of the best 2v2 teams in the world), Can you link me where they said they didn't invite Empire? I might have missed it. | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:44 Torte de Lini wrote: Can you link me where they said they didn't invite Empire? I might have missed it. This Along with the fact they are not announced in the OP Worth noting that Empire have a much stronger roster nowadays, they have really grown as a team. Also worh noting sixjax weren't even in the GCPL. Of course sixjax is pretty much Media 2.0 so they got an autoinvite. As usual though it seems like people in NA are turning a blind eye to the European scene  . | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:12 BG1 wrote: I'd just like to touch up on the US-EU server disadvantage talk. Pinging European servers from NA will get you between 120ms-200ms ping (depending on if you are on the West Coast or East coast etc..). Afaik bnet minimum latency is set to 125ms. Meaning Europeans on US servers are playing with a 75ms ping at worst (good enough to even play FPS games) and same goes for Americans on the EU server. Which would explain why there's basically no noticable lag between EU-US. So the disadvantage is 0.075 seconds. i.e almost nonexistant. First, Europe is a wide continent with many different qualities of service so attributing one average ping doesn't really mean anything. NA is as well, but anyone in the continental US will have <125 ping to Bnet servers. Perhaps not for Canada, though. Second, your idea of pinging from your house to various places in Europe that you've thought of is meaningless. Only the ping from Blizzard's servers matter and again, you're not really testing Europe. Third, using your meaningless numbers, 75 ping is quite large in FPS games. No Quake player would've tolerated that (the server switching tradition began in Quake and carried on through CS) and some CS teams had to, but at the invite level a 10 vs 85 ping differential is basically lights out. That's why Canadian teams tried to have servers that were equally terrible for everyone. The funny thing is that NaNiwa has been completely ignored by everyone (except drewbie) and he still makes the case for EU-NA server switching. Also, when Liquid was being considered, there were more European teams and players in the league than for NA. If I were running EG I'd probably make the same decision but for any random organizer, server switching, at least between NA-EU, makes the most sense for the future until Blizzard provides some support. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
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andy186
Australia1058 Posts
EG didn't accommodate a few players from a huge tournament/league, big deal. There are so many tournaments at the moment might give the liquid players some time to practice more or have a break. You miss out on it who cares but for the love of god please do not turn sotg into a 2 hour argument about this. I am still sick of the banshee and extended series arguments don't do it on this as well. | ||
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Sporadic44
United States533 Posts
as more and more corporate sponsors support our favorite players (steelseries, intel, monster, stride gum) we see an increased interest in esports. and im so grateful for that interest honestly. its funny growing up people tell you playing videogames is a waste of time. only to be able to turn around and say people are "wasting time" in a million dollar industry that people really care about. these are things i consider really exciting to think about anyway. anyway about this league, i predict EG to win it obviously. though roots been showing good results lately. regardless im looking forward to these games! keep it up guys | ||
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:45 drewbie.root wrote: This solution that TL is requesting would not actually be the most fair. The EU teams would have a massive advantage from this. The delay from KR to NA is10x worse than EU to NA, so the only people that would be at a disadvantage would be the NA teams, who would now have to play in lag for half their matches vs EG. I'm sure every EU team would happily go for your solution, it doesn't affect them at all while screwing over the NA teams. Sadly though this tournament is hosted by an NA team and they want to give their team the best chance to win, why else would they have 2v2 and ace match? I agree with TL that there should be a fair solution to the lag issues, but this is really not a viable solution at least for a NA clan league and this really isn't the right place to bring it up. TL still has ret / TLO / Tyler that aren't in Korea at the moment, so they would be able to play in this tournament without any Korean players. Playing on Korea just for a few matches in the tournament would be such a HUGE disadvantage, none of your opponents will ever have experienced the lag, while you guys do it regularly and it is a completely unreasonable solution. It would definitely be fair to play on EU for half the games, and that wouldn't bother me one bit. For me the lag is not an issue between EU/NA so I don't think that its a big advantage to play only on NA, although naniwa says that he has noticeable lag on NA so I guess it is different for each player. weird, as far as i know all the europeans ive spoken to have quite some lag on US  . | ||
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CoFran
Canada342 Posts
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tentoff
United States19 Posts
Thats just one man's opinion. | ||
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ati
United States9 Posts
On May 02 2011 23:26 nihlon wrote: Step 1) Realize that there has been 1v1 tournaments with a lot of games in the 8-14 minutes range Step 2) Realize that Blizzard maps suck. Step 3) Play on different maps If you put 2 good 1v1 players together in a team they wont be good right away. If they play and practice as much as 1v1 then yes, they will be very good(reasonable assumption in general). There aren't as many 2v2 tournaments as 1v1 and the prize money is definitely much lower, so top 1v1 players will put most(all) their time(effort) into practicing 1v1. Think about tennis, doubles =/= two single players. And in tennis the strategy is actually less important than the synergy. Only a few players were dominant in doubles and singles(Navratilova, Williams sisters) and the only dominant man double that comes to my mind with high lvl single performance is Woodbridge/Woodforde/Bjorkman. Yet they do play doubles in Davis cup. This is only my theory, but I believe if you would make players focused on 2v2 (either by removing 1v1 or increasing the prize pool for 2v2) you would see more long term games. Obviously this will not happen, just like in real life (The only exception I could quickly come up is beach volley ball, which is equaly or maybe even more popular as indoor) One solution I see is to allow pro teams to pick up minor clans for these double games. Like (major/minor) league baseball. Some pro teams can stick to their own 2v2 team, but some could just go to any 2v2 team that is high ranked on the ladder and ask them to play the 2v2s for x%(10%) of the prize money. This solution would have 3 advantages: increase lvl of those 2v2, cheap way for pro teams to increase their chance of success, and high ranked 2v2 teams would get some extra (maybe significant for them?) prize. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On May 03 2011 00:41 Scribble wrote: How would LAN help in this situation? I agree that LAN is a necessity as much as anyone, but your point doesn't make a lick of sense. in bw it was possible to get near lan-like conditions at least from NA to EU by using LAN over a vpn to avoid built in bnet lag. in-game lag wasn't a problem on iccup vs koreans either, speaking from NA perspective. | ||
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