EPTEG launch $10,000 Master's Cup Series League - Page 15
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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TheButtonmen
Canada1401 Posts
On May 02 2011 13:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The difference is that no matter how hard you try, you cant move Korea to the US, but switching servers is quite easy. If switching servers is easy why did Team Liquid decline to participate? Expecting every single other player to learn to play on KR instead of two players learning to play on NA isn't a resonable demand, I'm glad EG made the choice it did. | ||
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
In the end the blame is on Blizzard. If we had: 1 - LAN; 2 - P2P Connection. We would not have this problem. For piracy concerns, each player should be connected to his "home" server for authentication and we would all be happy and would enjoy the best possible lag situation every game, every league. (and in Ladder too) EDIT: Not to mention all the embarrassing problems with battle net on several tournaments so far. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49479 Posts
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
On May 02 2011 14:23 Liquid`HayprO wrote: me and ret would destroy 2v2. it seems very strange that the people behind this team league keep talking about the players in kr. we are only 3 so thats not the major problem. the problem is that NA is starting to become the place to play at when it comes to leagues. thats just not the right move especially when most us players have moved to the eu server anyway. This is actually why i'm becoming less and less interested in leagues or anything online for that matter. It's bad enough we have to deal with Battle Net at MLG or GSL. But even more serious is me as a viewer watching games knowing that the result was influenced in some way, however small, by one guy lagging more than the other. I can't stand it and will not be spending any more money on a lag-ridden tournament ever again. That's not a whine or a threat, that's just a fact. It's disgusting to watch. You can have players take turns to 'share the lag around' or something, but to me that's not an improvement. In a perfect world there would be enough big LANs rocking where you guys could justify flying to wherever for a few days / a week and playing in it on an equal footing. In that sense i like that Liquid refused to enter - good on you. I hate seeing you guys play SC2 in hard mode. Likewise i'm glad EG didn't bend over, and i kinda hope they don't in future, because i don't want to see any games ever which aren't as lag free as possible. I'm sure most people disagree and don't mind watching some players playing with a disadvantage, but for me it's worse than racial imbalance. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
This is a clan league based in the NA. They have their set rules, decisions and procedures concerning how they want the event run. The teams were invited and given the option about whether they would like to compete The teams that wanted to compete, accepted; those that didn't feel comfortable with the rules, declined. It seems really straight forward; other tournament threads that have devolved into rule bashing has been met with the ban hammer and mod messages pasted to the top. I just don't see why a $10,000 tournament thread has to be cluttered with this back and forth arguments that will most likely result in absolutely nothing. Both teams are justified in their decision, play on then, take it for what it is. | ||
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Kaonis
United States243 Posts
Meanwhile, liquid pockets the check from EG for the viral marketing campaign. God, that would be pretty awesome, but I'm just going off on a tangent here. It was only a matter of time until a lack of lan and a through-server requirement got in the way. Hopefully Blizzard is watching this and takes note on how they've made the game is hurting Esports. I know with a whopping 50 posts to my account I'm not in a place to demand anything of Tyler, Haypro, iNcontrol, or Jinro, but I really hope that all of you guys e-mail Dustin Browder (or whoever you need to) about this issue. If you're seriously taking a stand for your livelihood, go to the big cheese. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
As for Tyler/Jinro and the people saying that they are out of line, I really don't think so. I can see how the text that has gone back and forth between the players may seem too tense, but behind it are players that just want to compete. I think everyone knows how passionate Tyler is about Starcraft, and to use him as an example, it must suck from his player's perspective that he cannot compete in one of the biggest tournaments with some of the best competition and an amazing prize pool, all because of ultimately, server/lag issues and hosts that seemingly won't comply with their requests. As for the hosts, I have to respect them. Being able to stick with these NA server only rules offers the most legitimate games, simply because they are consistent across all sets for a given match. Even if handicaps are present, those handicaps should remain the same across all of the sets played for those affected by cross-server issues. | ||
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halvorg
Norway717 Posts
I wonder if the teams will actually practice 2v2s for this one, in uhh... the crota league for machinima it seemed like they were all improving it. I guess if you want 2v2 to be an accepted form of competition there needs to be motivation somewhere, but I fear it will become a farce. Anyways, can't have everything you ask for I guess, will follow the league of course : ). | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Ciel
Hungary289 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21548 Posts
On May 02 2011 14:39 Kaonis wrote: TeamLiquid posts this on their site, their pros rag on it, back and forth ensues, drama, more people tune into this tournament and both Liquid and EG stuff because they want to see the newly formed rivalry. Meanwhile, liquid pockets the check from EG for the viral marketing campaign. God, that was be pretty awesome, but I'm just going off on a tangent here. It was only a matter of time until a lack of lan and a through-server requirement got in the way. Hopefully Blizzard is watching this and takes note on how they've made the game is hurting Esports. Nah, Tyler only accepts gum and vodka. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
And sandwiches! | ||
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oOa)sInNeR
Germany39 Posts
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I have no idea what other clan leagues you're talking about. BDL was a 1v1 entirely European tournament. There's SC2CL but that's all EU teams and I don't think they play for much money. There's Crota's league which EG is a part of, with 2 NA and 2 EU teams and honestly, you should advocate for server switching in that. Then GCPL. Maybe the Liquid guys just got tired of lag in the GCPL and decided to only do certain types of tourneys after that. i have to get in on this. SC2CL is not limited to EU teams, but because we have like 99% EU teams we prefer our games being played on the EU server. And because our league is open to every team we have to make sure the majority can play, as most "casual gamers" do not have several accounts lying around it's easier to play on one server only. And yes there is not much money involed one of the reasons EG,TL and Fnatic declined our invitation. btw there are several more leagues in europe, one russian premiere league, a czech league, a french league. at least those are the ones i know of. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On May 02 2011 14:09 Pirat6662001 wrote: Obviously not paying much attention to eu sc2 scene. Happy won more tourneys last month than any other player. Nerchio has been tearing up with ling/roach drop style. Beastly and Bly have been stable. +they have hobot and Ariseto that just qualified for the ESL cup Yup... to call Happy lackluster.. heh, reminds me of all those GSL-watching noobies in SoTG claiming Nada would roflstomp 3-0 the 'newcomer' Kas... | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On May 02 2011 13:03 iNcontroL wrote: What I said had nothing to do with accounts being offered. It's obviously the latency / quality of the games. You will have MORE disgruntled players if TL gets its way. It's like literally 49 players vs 3... wtf. what? I am sorry but when the dust settles it all comes down to games being played on an equal playing field or as close as you can get it. It is ridiculous that a competitor like yourself is refusing to accept the highest competition possible (TeamLiquid) and denying them a chance at a FAIR game. IF they were accepted into the league under EG conditions, would you honestly be guilt free knowing that you were playing against them with server advantage in all the games? Think about it. It would be shameful in my view to play against an opponent under such conditions. TeamLiquid should NEVER have asked for such conditions...it should have already been something EG established. You are correct in one thing. TL.net will have more disgruntled players. But not because of what you think. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49479 Posts
and he doesn't give a shit about anything else.... | ||
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WrathoftheNorseman
6 Posts
However, I don't think this is that time, yet. Would EG change its policies if 20 people were under the same conditions as liquid? I would like to think so, but certainly I can't speak for them. IMHO, it should have been left as "Team Liquid declines invitation to EG's tournament because conditions are not ideal for their specific situation" end of involvement. It really pains me to see stand up people reduced to bickering. I honestly think as pro gamers you are in a position to seriously hurt your reputation and fan appeal by selecting some emotionally charged words and ultimately poor form to represent your image. I know you guys are human, and no different than any of us when someone says something we don't like. The difference is that we're all virtually anonymous when we lash out. My livelyhood has absolutely no effect on what I say here, yours to an extent, does. Bad publicity is NOT always good publicity. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On May 02 2011 14:36 BLinD-RawR wrote: Its like people here want a TSL level of standard Proleague.Otherwise no ones happy. Shouldn't we want the highest level of standards possible from everything? I mean when I want to watch tournaments I always hope for the best. It'd be really weird to want mediocrity all the time | ||
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hinnolinn
212 Posts
On May 02 2011 10:43 Colbi wrote: Despite every European team agreeing to the ruleset without any concern, Team Liquid requested we make a rule that forced teams to alternate between servers from game to game for NA/EU and NA/KR matches. Since no European team issued this concern other than Team Liquid, we did not feel it appropriate to impose the rule on everyone which would just further complicate scheduling and broadcasting. Additionally, it should be noted that our ruleset did and does allow teams to play on either BattleNet region if both teams agree upon it. I find I want to refer people back to this quote. A LOT of people keep saying all the games have to be played on the NA server so EG is being unfair and the like. But I keep seeing that line saying teams can decide to play on different servers if they AGREE to it. The only difference is that Liquid requested it be a requirement rather then an agreement between the teams. I can't really fault EG here. I also can't fault Liquid for sticking to their principles even if I don't necessarily agree with them in this case. | ||
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