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On May 02 2011 15:57 Setze wrote:
WOW IdrA really dont wanna lose to HuK's Hallus again.
Its a shame that EG chooses whats best for them and not whats best for Starcraft.
Its also a Shame they desided not to invite KR teams like oGs / SlayerS / IM / ST / Prime and so on.
Well i guess Incontrol needs more money and IdrA needs more money to make his wish of getting back @ Artosis. or they didnt accept to play @ 3am wich is fair enough.
But its really a shame that EG's is breaking the community like this.
Well we cant do anything about it as inControl and IdrA will just rage at us.
Well wont be watching this for again its fucked up by EG's NA times wich is unwatchable its not like the GSL' times. wich are EU friendly.
Did you even bother to read the rest of the thread? Also, you realize that Idra knocked Huk out of that same series you are talking about. So referencing that game is rather silly. If EG wanted to make more money, why wouldn't they just do showmatches between EG and other teams, rather than opening it up to seven other teams? Any tourney Idra joins gets tens of thousands of viewers; they don't need a clan tourney that EG could potentially be eliminated in the first round. This post is rather foolish.
Edit: I read your other posts. Are you seriously insulting other caster's English? Little unfair there don't you think?
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Is it offtopic to say that MYM is really looking forward to this team league?
*hides from the flamefest*
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 no because I'm really looking forward to seeing MYM compete. Solid lineup. Plus those guys have a lot of experience competing in team leagues from their former games.
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At this point I wish TL would just comeback to the west. Esports and SC2 specifically are growing exponentially over here. It's doing a disservice to their players who outside of Jinro haven't really lived up to the expectations or have hit a level they can functionally compete in Korea to the point its better to be rolling the dice once every month and a half than to play consistent tournaments in the west.
I can't understand why any TL member stays in Korea when there is so much more money to be made by leaving.
Anywho, I wish TL was in this team league but I look forward to it anyway. 2v2 is kinda funny, EG shenanigans for sure since they have Axslav/Strife Cro. I still have their 2v2 series vs. Grubby/Happy where Axlav and Cro thoroughly trounced them with like 300 less APM lol.
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I love you Plexa. So glad that you lurk around the forums. <3
Bummed that TL is not apart of the EG tournament, as they are my favorite team. But, best of luck to all the players.
ESPORTS.
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Can somebody please tell me why there's so many people flaming on liquid here for trying to set standards in competitive play?
It would be interesting to find out which team "Artosis'd" their way into the tournament after Liquid declined though.
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I actually agree with EG's standpoint.
Liquid knew that going to Korea would exclude them from most non-asia events. I also think that decision was "rushed". I don't see any benefit for staying in Korea and i highly doubt they would "move" again with todays information...
Solution:
A: Move back to NA/EU.
B: Add some more NA/EU players.
Making all other teams cater to your "needs", no matter the amount of "work" required for the other teams, is not a fair solution.
It sucks for the players and I understand that theire pissed... They moved to Korea to compete in the best tournament(s) and suddenly it seems as if Korea isn't the right place to be anymore (depending on how far you can go in the GSL).
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2v2 is weird, and 10k is a ton of money. Looks to be an awesome tourney.
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TL just needs to accept the consequences of having a presence in Korea that diminishes their ability to play in NA/EU tournaments and not be so QQ. Likewise EG probably should get better people to do PR than emo iNControl.
Anyway, I wish this had more teams.
2v2 btw is amazing. I hope it's taken more seriously in the future and isn't just ignored like in BW. There's so much potential.
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playing cross server destroys game quality and makes for meaningless results. liquid tries to downplay the effects of latency to make their tournament seem more legitimate, but how many people really think all the players from korea deserved to lose as early as they did to the people they did in tsl?
expecting a foreign team league to allow that to accommodate the one team that has a significant number of players in korea is fuckin silly.
until blizzard fixes battlenet players have to choose to focus on foreign or korean events and deal with the consequences.
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I'll probably check it if I have time to burn, but no TL and no "lesser" known teams is a bummer, with proleague format there is actually no good reason not to include more teams, I'd love to see how many underdogs could destroy EG this time around ...
So yeah, another tournament - Yay!
Invitational omitting several huge teams - Nay!
No TL - Why should I watch this ?
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On May 02 2011 16:04 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 15:57 Setze wrote:
WOW IdrA really dont wanna lose to HuK's Hallus again.
Its a shame that EG chooses whats best for them and not whats best for Starcraft.
Its also a Shame they desided not to invite KR teams like oGs / SlayerS / IM / ST / Prime and so on.
Well i guess Incontrol needs more money and IdrA needs more money to make his wish of getting back @ Artosis. or they didnt accept to play @ 3am wich is fair enough.
But its really a shame that EG's is breaking the community like this.
Well we cant do anything about it as inControl and IdrA will just rage at us.
Well wont be watching this for again its fucked up by EG's NA times wich is unwatchable its not like the GSL' times. wich are EU friendly. WOW Huk really dont wanna lose to Idras's drops again. Its a shame that TL chooses whats best for them and not whats best for Starcraft. Its also a Shame they desided not to work with EG, Dignitas, FnaticMSI, Mouz, ROOT, Sixjax, Millenium, and MYM. Well i guess Liquid doesn't need more money and Tyler won't be able to show his skills to get back @ his doubters or they didnt accept to play @ 3am wich is fair enough. But its really a shame that TL's is breaking the community like this. Well we cant do anything about it as TL fanboys and people who aren't bothering to read the thread will just rage at us. Well will be watching this for again its not fucked up by GSL's korean times wich is unwatchable. See what I did there? There is two sides to every story, both TL and EG made reasonable decisions they thought were best assigning all the blame to any one party is unfair. Hell assigning any blame in this situation isn't needed as both teams just did what they felt was best.
I refuse to comment a guy who cant make his own argument.
make your own argument and i will comment.
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Is it just me or does it seem like there is a conflict of interest potentially developing? Isn't it in the best interest of a team that is approached by a large sponsor about hosting an event to invite participants that they think will: 1. draw enough people to make the sponsor happy, 2. not institute rules/invite players that would make it difficult for their players to win? Obviously, with the talent and personalities EG has they could invite just about anyone and fulfill point one.
I am not, in any way, shape or form, accusing EG of "ducking" people or teams. I more mention them specifically because it seemed apropos given some of the points made previously in this thread. I guess the same could be asked of TL+PokerStrategy, but I feel like TL has been very "fair" and forthcoming about the decisions that they have made.
I guess my question is this: is anyone else bothered by the fact that most of the money being funneled into the scene to support tournaments is being directed at teams? Obviously it can be argued, and rightfully so, that it is those teams that are going out and finding the money, but it still seems a bit off to me.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51080 Posts
On May 02 2011 16:33 Setze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:04 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2011 15:57 Setze wrote:
WOW IdrA really dont wanna lose to HuK's Hallus again.
Its a shame that EG chooses whats best for them and not whats best for Starcraft.
Its also a Shame they desided not to invite KR teams like oGs / SlayerS / IM / ST / Prime and so on.
Well i guess Incontrol needs more money and IdrA needs more money to make his wish of getting back @ Artosis. or they didnt accept to play @ 3am wich is fair enough.
But its really a shame that EG's is breaking the community like this.
Well we cant do anything about it as inControl and IdrA will just rage at us.
Well wont be watching this for again its fucked up by EG's NA times wich is unwatchable its not like the GSL' times. wich are EU friendly. WOW Huk really dont wanna lose to Idras's drops again. Its a shame that TL chooses whats best for them and not whats best for Starcraft. Its also a Shame they desided not to work with EG, Dignitas, FnaticMSI, Mouz, ROOT, Sixjax, Millenium, and MYM. Well i guess Liquid doesn't need more money and Tyler won't be able to show his skills to get back @ his doubters or they didnt accept to play @ 3am wich is fair enough. But its really a shame that TL's is breaking the community like this. Well we cant do anything about it as TL fanboys and people who aren't bothering to read the thread will just rage at us. Well will be watching this for again its not fucked up by GSL's korean times wich is unwatchable. See what I did there? There is two sides to every story, both TL and EG made reasonable decisions they thought were best assigning all the blame to any one party is unfair. Hell assigning any blame in this situation isn't needed as both teams just did what they felt was best. I refuse to comment a guy who cant make his own argument. make your own argument and i will comment.
his argument was solid,he just put it in a form where you would 100% understand what you are saying.
On May 02 2011 16:05 SmoKim wrote:
Is it offtopic to say that MYM is really looking forward to this team league?
*hides from the flamefest*
you and I are 2 peas in the same pod.GOGO MYM.MONDI!!!!!
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On May 02 2011 16:33 Setze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 16:04 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 02 2011 15:57 Setze wrote:
WOW IdrA really dont wanna lose to HuK's Hallus again.
Its a shame that EG chooses whats best for them and not whats best for Starcraft.
Its also a Shame they desided not to invite KR teams like oGs / SlayerS / IM / ST / Prime and so on.
Well i guess Incontrol needs more money and IdrA needs more money to make his wish of getting back @ Artosis. or they didnt accept to play @ 3am wich is fair enough.
But its really a shame that EG's is breaking the community like this.
Well we cant do anything about it as inControl and IdrA will just rage at us.
Well wont be watching this for again its fucked up by EG's NA times wich is unwatchable its not like the GSL' times. wich are EU friendly. WOW Huk really dont wanna lose to Idras's drops again. Its a shame that TL chooses whats best for them and not whats best for Starcraft. Its also a Shame they desided not to work with EG, Dignitas, FnaticMSI, Mouz, ROOT, Sixjax, Millenium, and MYM. Well i guess Liquid doesn't need more money and Tyler won't be able to show his skills to get back @ his doubters or they didnt accept to play @ 3am wich is fair enough. But its really a shame that TL's is breaking the community like this. Well we cant do anything about it as TL fanboys and people who aren't bothering to read the thread will just rage at us. Well will be watching this for again its not fucked up by GSL's korean times wich is unwatchable. See what I did there? There is two sides to every story, both TL and EG made reasonable decisions they thought were best assigning all the blame to any one party is unfair. Hell assigning any blame in this situation isn't needed as both teams just did what they felt was best. I refuse to comment a guy who cant make his own argument. make your own argument and i will comment.
On May 02 2011 15:01 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 14:54 Divinek wrote:On May 02 2011 14:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Its like people here want a TSL level of standard Proleague.Otherwise no ones happy. Shouldn't we want the highest level of standards possible from everything? I mean when I want to watch tournaments I always hope for the best. It'd be really weird to want mediocrity all the time Why is this lower standard? I personally would rather Liquid be excluded and avoid all the rage and comments about lag, there is enough good teams out there that even without liquid they aren't going to lower the player pool quality and this way we get games without Korean lag. Best possible solution.
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Does the NA based team EG accommodate it's NA players / EU (NA->EU isn't perfect but is considered fine)? Or does it make the exception at the cost of displacing more players?
well i dont know if i would say its fine.. but we dont really have a choice xD. better than nothing.
( obviously it was unfair for gcpl to play every euro vs us on us ) for example.
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On May 02 2011 13:26 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 13:24 Koshi wrote:On May 02 2011 13:21 Mailing wrote:On May 02 2011 13:18 divito wrote:
Very disappointing all around for EG. Disappointing for liquid* Everyone else is happy with this.. The EU teams probably aren't. But who is going to say anything when you can compete for 5000$ and there is no alternative? I am exciting for these matches. But I do not like the way EG handled this. It's your 3rd post with you pretending EU teams are somehow offended by the lack of server changing. They aren't. They host the black dragon league as well as other cl's that are on the EU server. Nobody makes this insane argument that an EU based clan league needs to have it's players change to the NA server to accommodate the 1/2 NA teams in the league. Please stop!
as far as i know black draogn league is a solo league http://www.dragon-league.com/en/matches/ranking
not a team league.. perhaps ive missed something o.o
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On May 02 2011 12:58 tree.hugger wrote:
Looks like a fun league, but there are noticeable omissions beyond Liquid'. Empire, Praetoriani, FXO, and maybe some other outfits like Virus, Complexity, and ROX. Why not have a playoff for the final two spots?
With all due respect to Liquid not participating due to the server drama, this is my main issue with this league. Invite-only tournaments are not what I consider to be good sportsmanship.
It is obviously easier for tournament organizers to just invite the teams they believe are the best / most popular, but this is becoming a too popular option for the NA tournament administrators.
I think we as a community can't let this continue, when a tournament for individuals like NASL/IPL did this they hastily announced that it is only for their first season to avoid an uproar, but the team leagues have so far avoided any criticism by being a one-off occurrence.
The MachinimaRealm for example was so poorly run no one could honestly expect them to run a qualifier, but EG should strive to be better.
There are good teams out there, teams that can beat the ones you consider top teams, just need to give them a chance to prove themselves.
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On May 02 2011 16:29 IdrA wrote:
playing cross server destroys game quality and makes for meaningless results. liquid tries to downplay the effects of latency to make their tournament seem more legitimate, but how many people really think all the players from korea deserved to lose as early as they did to the people they did in tsl?
expecting a foreign team league to allow that to accommodate the one team that has a significant number of players in korea is fuckin silly.
until blizzard fixes battlenet players have to choose to focus on foreign or korean events and deal with the consequences.
I agree. Idra da Boss.
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