EPTEG launch $10,000 Master's Cup Series League - Page 10
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IPA
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divito
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Thermia
United States866 Posts
On May 02 2011 13:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote: How do you think we became more acclimatized to it? By being forced into playing in bad conditions in leagues and tournaments - I never practiced on NA, ever- -; I agree with that, Jinro, but now that you have had some experience playing with the latency (I have no idea how often; I'm sure it's not very much), you have to admit it would be somewhat favorable to you compared to teams on NA that haven't had any experience at all. I also agree (as you can see from my post) that the situation would rarely come up when you would be using someone from KR vs an NA player, and I think that, depending on the format of the league, it could be worked around - for example, if teams played each other twice in the season, then the first NA-KR game could be played on the NA server and the game in the second series could be played on KR server, with playoffs deciding seeds and therefore, the server to be played on. However, that would require you to presumably not be allowed to use a KR player in the ace match if one came about, which would probably be a whole new can of worms. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On May 02 2011 13:18 divito wrote: Very disappointing all around for EG. Disappointing for liquid* Everyone else is happy with this.. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
na -> kr bad eu -> kr bad 7 of 8 teams are non KR ALL DON'T WANT TO PLAY KR so YES providing accounts makes it possible. YES casting from reps means casters are fine (my bad). OK we got that out of the way! Now we have the VAST MAJORITY of the players that would 100% rather not play ANY games on KR. Whether it's an equal number or w/e.. it's 100% bad for them. Does the NA based team EG accommodate it's NA players / EU (NA->EU isn't perfect but is considered fine)? Or does it make the exception at the cost of displacing more players? I have no idea why TL throws a stink here. GCPL was the same way... everyone was fine with it. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On May 02 2011 13:21 Mailing wrote: Disappointing for liquid* Everyone else is happy with this.. The EU teams probably aren't. But who is going to say anything when you can compete for 5000$ and there is no alternative? I am exciting for these matches. But I do not like the way EG handled this. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On May 02 2011 13:24 Koshi wrote: The EU teams probably aren't. But who is going to say anything when you can compete for 5000$ and there is no alternative? I am exciting for these matches. But I do not like the way EG handled this. It's your 3rd post with you pretending EU teams are somehow offended by the lack of server changing. They aren't. They host the black dragon league as well as other cl's that are on the EU server. Nobody makes this insane argument that an EU based clan league needs to have it's players change to the NA server to accommodate the 1/2 NA teams in the league. Please stop! | ||
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Swixi
United States73 Posts
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
On May 02 2011 13:24 iNcontroL wrote: lets play a quick numbers game jinro na -> kr bad eu -> kr bad 7 of 8 teams are non KR ALL DON'T WANT TO PLAY KR so YES providing accounts makes it possible. YES casting from reps means casters are fine (my bad). OK we got that out of the way! Now we have the VAST MAJORITY of the players that would 100% rather not play ANY games on KR. Whether it's an equal number or w/e.. it's 100% bad for them. Does the NA based team EG accommodate it's NA players / EU (NA->EU isn't perfect but is considered fine)? Or does it make the exception at the cost of displacing more players? I have no idea why TL throws a stink here. GCPL was the same way... everyone was fine with it. EU never has to play on KR according to Jinro's proposed solution. Were you involved at all in the decision process? | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On May 02 2011 13:16 SMD wrote: Again, not 7 teams. Mouz is european, MYM, Mill, are european. Dignitas as well has many europeans. EU v KR are played on NA. EU v NA are played on NA right now. how would you prepare differently for Jinro isntead of Tyler, if your in europe? You'll play on the same server, or well if TL gets its way, youll get better lag playing Tyler. There suggestion only negatively effects the 3-4 NA teams a bit. Im not saying EG is wrong in rejecting it, as it is their tourny, and it will be awesome none the less. I'll have to side with EG's decision on this matter. They didn't block Liquid from entering the tournament. They invited them over plenty of other teams that would love to enter this tournament, NA server only or not. I understand Liquid's frustration with the decision, but they made the tournament with a set of rules including NA only server play. Even if it lends certain teams to a disadvantage, it doesn't make it impossible for them to win. For an easy comparison, look @ NASL. There were plenty of games where Koreans had to play on the NA server. Some had visible lag issues, while others had no visible issues. On the other hand, look at TSL. The same comments can be made of this tournament to be honest. So many fans complained of the lag issues already for both tournaments, despite the TSL using the "best known method" of alternating servers. In all honesty, there is no way to please everyone when it comes to having people from the KR server play in international tournaments. I don't feel the NA only rule (or for example an EU only rule for a european tournament) is a huge deal in fighting this problem. In fact, earlier in the thread, Jinro proposed flipping a coin to see who would get server advantage. I feel this would hinder the competitiveness of the tournament. Certainly, I would be a bit demoralized going into a 3rd match against a player (meaning you are somewhat evenly matches) with a server disadvantage given to me at the last second based on a coin flip. On the other hand, I feel you can be in the right mind set if all games are played on the same server. Note : I would support server switching. I think it's a better way to handle things. But I would mostly support this only if all players are NA/EU because I feel that with players from the KR server it's a lose/lose situation either way, no matter the rule set. + Show Spoiler + As a side note, I will admit that as a viewer, I hate seeing lag even SLIGHTLY affect a game. I love to see koreans vs foreigners, but it can be annoying to watch. I had this problem with the TSL and the NASL despite having an overall enjoyable viewing experience. I know it's unfair, but until we have dedicated servers or a better way to limit lag from KR to other servers, I personally prefer watching NA/EU vs NA/EU and KR vs KR (GSL being my favorite league). | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
should be a great league regardless! | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
Sure people may not be happy that there favorite team isn't part of the league, but there are still plenty of other good teams in it and there are sure to be exciting games with high level play. | ||
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Smapz
Norway405 Posts
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mikyaJ
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On May 02 2011 13:33 Chewbacca. wrote: All this complaining really needs to stop. The fact is EG is hosting a great tournament with a great pay out. Any tournament is good for SC2, particularly if it is being hosted by a respected team and there is a nice prize pool. Sure people may not be happy that there favorite team isn't part of the league, but there are still plenty of other good teams in it and there are sure to be exciting games with high level play. No, there is ALWAYS something to complain about. | ||
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denzelz
United States604 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
If Idra was in KR they would be singing a different tune. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 02 2011 13:36 denzelz wrote: I think this whole situation is hilarous. After every TSL game when a foreign player beats a Korean player, everyone was told not to blame the lag for their victories. People clamored about how the lag didn't really matter if the other player was superior in skill. Now, the entire Liquid team is excluded by this tournament because they have players living in Korea. Great hypocrisy! Wait. Hypocrisy from who? | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
On May 02 2011 12:50 StUfF wrote: You make it sound like logging onto another server a herculean feat of effort. HINT: Most pros already have access and have played on other servers It would be UNFAIR for KR players to play on overseas server. It would be INCONVENIENT for EU/NA players to alternate servers. There's a huge difference. TL's introduces fairness for convenience, it doesn't disadvantage the EU/NA players in anyway. It's not logging on another server. If the games are live casted, then it introduces a HUGE amount of downtime. If the player uses custom Hotkeys, every game he would have to re-arrange that, since the accounts would be shared. And if Tyler and Idra are to be taken as example, pro-players make a VERY EXTENSIVE customization of Hotkeys, so it could take 5~10 minutes between games and even then the player could make some mistake and have to pause in-game to fix hotkeys. AND, as other people said, would introduce unfairness since Liquid probably trains, and is used to, KR-NA lag, whereas NA and EU players are not used to KR lag. | ||
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