EPTi hold f and try to make my fields but sometimes they deselect and sometimes they do not
its similar to if you would let go of f while trying to do the forcefields only im not letting go. i have tried my other keyboard and same problem
need help
forcefield deselect issue
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Greenx
69 Posts
i hold f and try to make my fields but sometimes they deselect and sometimes they do not its similar to if you would let go of f while trying to do the forcefields only im not letting go. i have tried my other keyboard and same problem need help | ||
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TheWoodLeagueAllstar
United Kingdom617 Posts
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azzu
Germany141 Posts
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maoiste
Germany20 Posts
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Greenx
69 Posts
im masters as terran and zerg in every bracket the issue im having is when HOLDING the F button for forcefield it for some reason stops letting me use forcefields and i end up just highlighting units in the enemy army it is very similar to if you were to use forcefields but then let go of the F button half way through your fields and just end up highlighting an enemy unit i hope this isnt hard to understand it seems pretty well explained... edit- holding shift will q up forcefields so when you are moving or attacking they shield AFTER they hit that spot which they never will in a fight since u a move past an army also hitting f then a shield is also bad... i need some help from some top level toss who might have insight to this problem i thought it was a keyboard issue since im not using a mechanical keyboard but i would like a solution that does not involve getting a mech keyboard | ||
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TrANCE,
301 Posts
and is it similar or is it that problem your either not pressing f fast enough or theirs something wrong with your keyboard and for your info only people that can't micro for shit use the none shift method try positioning your army whilst simultaneously playing the piano with your keyboard for the best FF possible then come here and tell us it requires no skill | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On April 21 2011 17:36 Greenx wrote: forcefield micro does not require skill.... im masters as terran and zerg in every bracket the issue im having is when HOLDING the F button for forcefield it for some reason stops letting me use forcefields and i end up just highlighting units in the enemy army it is very similar to if you were to use forcefields but then let go of the F button half way through your fields and just end up highlighting an enemy unit i hope this isnt hard to understand it seems pretty well explained... Herp derp, I just switched to Protoss, and I deem that forcefield micro does not require skill, herpity derp. Its easy to see the difference in forcefields between a high level player like White-Ra and a Code-S player like MC. Just watch the difference in their forcefields and come back and tell me that forcefields do not require skill and understanding the terrain + the nature of your own composition and your enemy's composition. /Ontopic : Just speculating here, but perhaps your keyboard repeat rate is so low that you end up clicking in between repeats. (Or maybe your repeat delay is too high). This is just speculation. I cant see any other reason why you cant hold down F to spam forcefields. | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
On April 21 2011 17:36 Greenx wrote: forcefield micro does not require skill.... ...what Anyways, you aren't supposed to hold f, you are supposed to press it. | ||
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Thoramas
Singapore152 Posts
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lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
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TheWoodLeagueAllstar
United Kingdom617 Posts
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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B.I.G.
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Greenx
69 Posts
then there is a chance that you get 100 idiotic answers as well forcefields do not take skill to USE maybe you can argue they take skill to react with or place properly or whatever but as far as me sitting in unit test with 10 sentrys and HOLDING f which is what your supposed to do that takes 0 skill sometimes when i hold f i keep the forcefield icon and have no issue other times i do not but its clear i wont get an answer from people here who dont read my topic or have insight into my problem the only possible answer is the speed at which i lay them but i have watched protoss lay 100 fields in 2seconds so i cant imagine thats the issue | ||
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.Enigma
United Kingdom116 Posts
You also don't have to time the release as you would when holding F down, which often leads you messing up and having to Esc out. Other problems which may be screwing you up: -Placing the FFs too far away, leading to sentry travel-time and delaying subsequent FFs -Running out of energy and being 'stuck' on the placement icon despite being unable to place a FF | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
On April 21 2011 17:54 Greenx wrote: its amazing how when you ask a question here there is a chance that you get a smart answer then there is a chance that you get 100 idiotic answers as well forcefields do not take skill to USE maybe you can argue they take skill to react with or place properly or whatever but as far as me sitting in unit test with 10 sentrys and HOLDING f which is what your supposed to do that takes 0 skill sometimes when i hold f i keep the forcefield icon and have no issue other times i do not but its clear i wont get an answer from people here who dont read my topic or have insight into my problem Okay, since you didn't get it the first time maybe the second time is the charm You are NOT supposed to HOLD f to forcefield. ... | ||
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aScaris
Germany124 Posts
so if you hit an enemy unit in between 2 forcefield-commands you have that unit selected, while your keyboard is still spamming "F". because F is not a viable command on enemy units your forcefieldspam will stop. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
At least on my Laptop, when I hold down "F", there is a slight delay between my first and second Forcefield. I read up about it, apparently your keyboard repeat rate is capped at it's lowest setting. The problem being, if you click too fast it is possible to select a unit before the repeat kicks in which will botch the rest of your plans too So my advice is not to hold F. Rapid clicks are what you will have to do. If you want to do it fast then you will need some incredible precision and clicking speed, If you watch MC play, you see see he routinely drops forcefields at amazing pace, it looks like 3 go down at the same time, but it isn't him holding and spamming "F"...it is him pressing F + clicking that fast with incredible precision. If you think forcefield doesn't require "skill" then I don't know what to say, placing the forcefield is only one part, knowing when to use it, where to use it and how to use it separates high level Protoss players and MC. Thinking fast isn't enough, you nee the speed and accuracy to back it up otherwise your FF's look like garbage and you have to overlap | ||
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Greenx
69 Posts
On April 21 2011 17:56 aScaris wrote: holding F results in a frequency of "pressing F" dependent on your keyboard repeat rate. it's not like the forcefield-command is active all the time, it's just activated in a rapid order. so if you hit an enemy unit in between 2 forcefield-commands you have that unit selected, while your keyboard is still spamming "F". because F is not a viable command on enemy units your forcefieldspam will stop. that makes sense but is my fear inc mod to temp ban or close for getting frustrated with uneducated posting | ||
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PaPoolee
Netherlands660 Posts
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TheWoodLeagueAllstar
United Kingdom617 Posts
On April 21 2011 17:58 Greenx wrote: that makes sense but is my fear inc mod to temp ban or close for getting frustrated with uneducated posting do you know who minigun is? possibly the best ff'er in NA and he has responded twice im beginning to think you are a troll | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On April 21 2011 17:36 Greenx wrote: forcefield micro does not require skill.... im masters as terran and zerg in every bracket the issue im having is when HOLDING the F button for forcefield it for some reason stops letting me use forcefields and i end up just highlighting units in the enemy army it is very similar to if you were to use forcefields but then let go of the F button half way through your fields and just end up highlighting an enemy unit i hope this isnt hard to understand it seems pretty well explained... edit- holding shift will q up forcefields so when you are moving or attacking they shield AFTER they hit that spot which they never will in a fight since u a move past an army also hitting f then a shield is also bad... i need some help from some top level toss who might have insight to this problem i thought it was a keyboard issue since im not using a mechanical keyboard but i would like a solution that does not involve getting a mech keyboard Disable mouse acceleration. f click, f click, f click. Holding f might not work for your keyboard. | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
On April 21 2011 17:54 Greenx wrote: its amazing how when you ask a question here there is a chance that you get a smart answer then there is a chance that you get 100 idiotic answers as well forcefields do not take skill to USE maybe you can argue they take skill to react with or place properly or whatever but as far as me sitting in unit test with 10 sentrys and HOLDING f which is what your supposed to do that takes 0 skill sometimes when i hold f i keep the forcefield icon and have no issue other times i do not but its clear i wont get an answer from people here who dont read my topic or have insight into my problem the only possible answer is the speed at which i lay them but i have watched protoss lay 100 fields in 2seconds so i cant imagine thats the issue really bm. you're asking the question and we're trying to help. press f then click, repeat. apparently it does take some skill since you obviously are unable to do it correctly and had to make your own post about it. also next time please search http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204604 | ||
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HaNdFisH
Australia119 Posts
*edit* wow a lot of posts were made as I wrote that | ||
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Greenx
69 Posts
i dont care if minigun is a good player just because he does something doesnt make it right, it makes it what HE does holding F if possible would be the BEST solution because if working properly it is faster and has less problems with losing selection clearly i could train myself to do the f place f place but i would rather do the better option of holding F if possible. thats what this topic is about dont get pissed at me for telling you your answer is stupid because the only viable answers are solve the problem tell me it cant be solved or say you dont know (but why post that) anything else isnt needed | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
Even at the fastest repeat rate, it is still possible to click faster than the keyboard is repeating. The problem lies as so: 1. You hit "F" and Hold it down 2. You Start Clicking 3. After you use forcefield keyboard has to refresh 4. You click faster than the Keyboard can refresh and end up issuing a Select command instead Note: No matter how fast your keyboard refresh rate is, there is very noticeable delay between your first and every repeat after the first. It is something like 0.3seconds, I can't remember, but it is super easy to click faster than it. The repeats after are pretty darn quick so you shouldn't be clicking faster unless you have some incredible finger dexterity The only way to get around it is to "pre hold" before casting for 0.3seconds, but that is dumb as you don't want to be holding any hotkey down for that long before an engagement EDIT: I use to hold down "F" too, but there were too many times where I ended up selecting a unit and not being able to forcefield at all, or missing my second forcefield all together if I forcefielded the ground. It is fustrating as hell and there isn't a way around it. So you have two options. *Hold the forcefield hotkey for a short duration before forcefielding (not a good idea) *Train your self to F *click* F *click* (harder, but overall the best in the long run | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
1) Set repeat delay slider in windows settings to Lowest 2) Set keyboard repeat rate to Highest. Even when you do so, you will have a small delay between the first time you forcefield and the second one, But it should be pretty quick for the rest of the repetitions. | ||
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sYnRoscoe
United States149 Posts
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Minigun
619 Posts
On April 21 2011 18:12 Greenx wrote: the keyboard repeat rate change is the only viable answer i dont care if minigun is a good player just because he does something doesnt make it right, it makes it what HE does holding F if possible would be the BEST solution because if working properly it is faster and has less problems with losing selection clearly i could train myself to do the f place f place but i would rather do the better option of holding F if possible. thats what this topic is about dont get pissed at me for telling you your answer is stupid because the only viable answers are solve the problem tell me it cant be solved or say you dont know (but why post that) anything else isnt needed Um, no, and every other pro protoss I know use f click, every decent toss will tell you it's horrible to hold f. You really shouldn't be so rude to people who are trying to help you. | ||
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Greenx
69 Posts
On April 21 2011 18:12 Dommk wrote: Need to clear this up. Even at the fastest repeat rate, it is still possible to click faster than the keyboard is repeating. The problem lies as so: 1. You hit "F" and Hold it down 2. You Start Clicking 3. After you use forcefield keyboard has to refresh 4. You click faster than the Keyboard can refresh and end up issuing a Select command instead Note: No matter how fast your keyboard refresh rate is, there is very noticeable delay between your first and every repeat after the first. It is something like 0.3seconds, I can't remember, but it is super easy to click faster than it. The repeats after are pretty darn quick so you shouldn't be clicking faster unless you have some incredible finger dexterity The only way to get around it is to "pre hold" before casting for 0.3seconds, but that is dumb as you don't want to be holding any hotkey down for that long before an engagement EDIT: I use to hold down "F" too, but there were too many times where I ended up selecting a unit and not being able to forcefield at all, or missing my second forcefield all together if I forcefielded the ground. It is fustrating as hell and there isn't a way around it. So you have two options. *Hold the forcefield hotkey for a short duration before forcefielding (not a good idea) *Train your self to F *click* F *click* (harder, but overall the best in the long run this is what we call an educated answer i myself came to a similar conclusion about preholding a keydown which your right is terrible before a fight if that is the case then ill have to use forcefields f use f use f use the question is do keyboards like logitech gaming keyboards exist that can forgo this problem this forcefield method is the superior method baring the issues that you claim and i really want to make it work if possible | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
the question is do keyboards like logitech gaming keyboards exist that can forgo this problem It is a software limitation (for Windows, not sure about Mac) iirc. The delay is there due to practical reasons, if the delay wasn't there then the moment you hit any key it would instantly start repeating. | ||
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PikaXchU
Singapore379 Posts
I always use F-Click and it always works. It might be because of your mouse control, you might want to check that too before you check your hardware. Then again, maybe you just don't have enough "Skill" to actually use forcefields, which you claim require no 'SKILL' | ||
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
On April 21 2011 17:46 Minigun wrote: ...what Anyways, you aren't supposed to hold f, you are supposed to press it. On April 21 2011 17:56 Minigun wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2011 17:54 Greenx wrote: its amazing how when you ask a question here there is a chance that you get a smart answer then there is a chance that you get 100 idiotic answers as well forcefields do not take skill to USE maybe you can argue they take skill to react with or place properly or whatever but as far as me sitting in unit test with 10 sentrys and HOLDING f which is what your supposed to do that takes 0 skill sometimes when i hold f i keep the forcefield icon and have no issue other times i do not but its clear i wont get an answer from people here who dont read my topic or have insight into my problem Okay, since you didn't get it the first time maybe the second time is the charm You are NOT supposed to HOLD f to forcefield. ... Here. Let me point it out to you.  MinigunYou? Some guy who plays Terran and Zerg. Get those loose screws tightened, son. | ||
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Greenx
69 Posts
i can do the click forcefield but NO pro can do f click faster then i can JUST click and thats what my ideal version of forcefields is apparently its not possible and thats the answer i needed also a non pro can discern from good and bad answers through basic logic if he is intelligent and skilled enough which i am and i can certainly dismiss an answer that isnt answering my question too many times on these forums someone says something along the lines of "is zerg a good race please tell me why or why not" and you idiots say just play terran its op that answer is what i got this entire topic "how can holding f work" "dont hold f click it" im not asking to click it though im asking about holding so answer MY question | ||
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Zidane
United States1689 Posts
Also your tone in this thread is pretty horrible, especially when you instigate shit by saying using forcefields does not require skill. | ||
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Greenx
69 Posts
be upset with my tone all you like but anyone who i "dissed" or "bm" was giving me stupid answers and i dont care about stupid people or the ones who go against NATURE AND NATURAL SELECTION AND DEFEND THEM RAGE RAGE RAGE | ||
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freetgy
1720 Posts
F - click ,F click is most reliable keeping F pressed works too but can produce problems as you discovered | ||
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
On April 21 2011 18:46 Greenx wrote: lol i got my answer. be upset with my tone all you like but anyone who i "dissed" or "bm" was giving me stupid answers and i dont care about stupid people or the ones who go against NATURE AND NATURAL SELECTION AND DEFEND THEM RAGE RAGE RAGE So we jump from proper usage of force fields into natural selection? o_O' | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On April 21 2011 18:36 Greenx wrote: for the record since apparently there is a "record" i can do the click forcefield but NO pro can do f click faster then i can JUST click and thats what my ideal version of forcefields is apparently its not possible and thats the answer i needed also a non pro can discern from good and bad answers through basic logic if he is intelligent and skilled enough which i am and i can certainly dismiss an answer that isnt answering my question too many times on these forums someone says something along the lines of "is zerg a good race please tell me why or why not" and you idiots say just play terran its op that answer is what i got this entire topic "how can holding f work" "dont hold f click it" im not asking to click it though im asking about holding so answer MY question Your question has been answered already in this thread a couple times. You started shit with people making stupid claims about how force fields require no skill yet you can't seem to land all of yours(It might be the method you are using which isn't working.) Now you expect everyone to kiss your ass and help you how you want to be helped. You are obviously delusional. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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Bondator
Finland120 Posts
On April 21 2011 18:54 Shana wrote: Is it just me or this guy's post doesn't make any sense This whole thread makes no sense to me. If you end up selecting enemy units while f-holding, go to keyboard settings in Windows, and set repeat delay to shortest and repeat rate to fastest. I also highly recommend this to every zerg player, for lightning fast mass morphing and spawning with button holding. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On April 21 2011 18:54 Shana wrote: Is it just me or this guy's post doesn't make any sense He is in his own world. Not the first time his threads are completely trash. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
edit: i bet that even if MC would give him advice on the matter and he still would be like: nah thats not right | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
listen up, Greenx, we don't care what you can do as Terran and Zerg, if you come on TL to ask a question, you can do it RESPECTFULLY! don't expect to be an ass to us and then us to be respectful to you, ESPECIALLY if you diss RootMinigun who's a very very good NA Protoss player. So please, calm yourself, and work on your tone and respect of people that try to give you advice. holding F is terrible, f click is a lot faster and more accurate. RootMiniGun told you, Pikachu told you (im pretty sure that's the same Pikachu that won the women ESL, the pro from Taiwan or Singapore, right?) so at least have the DECENCY to read through the answers that PROS have given you, it's people like you that keep the pro players from being way more active on this forum. /rant | ||
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Greenx
69 Posts
On April 21 2011 19:04 PlaGuE_R wrote: I'm sitting here and this guy's posts have been reported a lot! lol (like 4 different posts have been reported) listen up, Greenx, we don't care what you can do as Terran and Zerg, if you come on TL to ask a question, you can do it RESPECTFULLY! don't expect to be an ass to us and then us to be respectful to you, ESPECIALLY if you diss RootMinigun who's a very very good NA Protoss player. So please, calm yourself, and work on your tone and respect of people that try to give you advice. holding F is terrible, f click is a lot faster and more accurate. RootMiniGun told you, Pikachu told you (im pretty sure that's the same Pikachu that won the women ESL, the pro from Taiwan, right?) so at least have the DECENCY to read through the answers that PROS have given you, it's people like you that keep the pro players from being way more active on this forum. /rant girls cant play games root is a terrible team what else you wana talk about pros are not always "pro" insight and raw mechanics are 2 totally dif things also knowledge of keyboard repeat frequency is a totally dif subject from JUST sc2 which being a pro does not learn you | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
On April 21 2011 19:08 Greenx wrote: girls cant play games root is a terrible team what else you wana talk about pros are not always "pro" insight and raw mechanics are 2 totally dif things also knowledge of keyboard repeat frequency is a totally dif subject from JUST sc2 which being a pro does not learn you lol Every time I try to help someone in this sub forum, it usually turns out to be one of these guys. My luck must be awful. Out of curiosity (even though it usually kills the cat...), why can't girls play games, and why is root a bad team? | ||
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Greenx
69 Posts
On April 21 2011 19:13 Minigun wrote: lol Every time I try to help someone in this sub forum, it usually turns out to be one of these guys. My luck must be awful. you didnt answer my question you said use f click f click that isnt answering MY question its imposing your question technically you owe me an apology for trying to jack my topic? well? im waiting also dogs are better then cats User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Kira761
United States62 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On April 21 2011 19:13 Minigun wrote: lol Every time I try to help someone in this sub forum, it usually turns out to be one of these guys. My luck must be awful. Out of curiosity (even though it usually kills the cat...), why can't girls play games, and why is root a bad team? don't give up on the forum because of idiots like him, mini, please dont. Greenx, you're a moron, plain and simple. Girls can't play games? wow, guess you're not aware that sexism isn't allowed on TL Root is a terrible team? thats complete fucking nonsense: KiwiKaki, Minigun, Catz, Ddoro, even former members like Qxc and Sheth, need I go on? Root is one of the TOP foreigner teams, up there with Liquid, EG, and Mousesports. So don't go spouting bullshit like that, it just shows off your ignorance. can a mod, PLEASE, close this thread? | ||
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spacemonkeyy
Australia477 Posts
On April 21 2011 19:08 Greenx wrote: girls cant play games root is a terrible team what else you wana talk about pros are not always "pro" insight and raw mechanics are 2 totally dif things also knowledge of keyboard repeat frequency is a totally dif subject from JUST sc2 which being a pro does not learn you Obviously trolling, you already have decided the best way to do it and nothing will convince you otherwise. Probably a habit from playing Zerg because no toss play requires holding down a button. Consider all possibilities | ||
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Dali.
New Zealand689 Posts
On April 21 2011 19:08 Greenx wrote: girls cant play games root is a terrible team what else you wana talk about pros are not always "pro" insight and raw mechanics are 2 totally dif things also knowledge of keyboard repeat frequency is a totally dif subject from JUST sc2 which being a pro does not learn you See know its just obvious that you're a troll. Respect the people who are trying to help you. Especially if they're high level players. P.S. Lol, this guy has had like 5 threads closed and a warning to his name. | ||
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EMPaThy789
New Zealand878 Posts
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PikaXchU
Singapore379 Posts
Then again, this is a forum, with plenty of nice people. You can bitch all you want about this being your topic, but your topic is nothing without the help of these nice people, so get that into your thick head. BTW, I'm just a normal SC2 player with a similar nick with the popular female taiwanese gamer, so  | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
On April 21 2011 19:15 Greenx wrote: you didnt answer my question you said use f click f click that isnt answering MY question its imposing your question technically you owe me an apology for trying to jack my topic? well? im waiting also dogs are better then cats If I was holding down t to stim, instead of just pressing it as necessary, and was wondering why i couldn't do it properly, I think I would want you to tell me the way I was doing it sucked. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On April 21 2011 19:21 Minigun wrote: If I was holding down t to stim, instead of just pressing it as necessary, and was wondering why i couldn't do it properly, I think I would want you to tell me the way I was doing it sucked. GOGO Mini, show him who's BOSS | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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EMPaThy789
New Zealand878 Posts
On April 21 2011 19:24 Shana wrote: OP isn't worthy of grudgematch against Minigun what are you talking about, people who suck but think they are good and insists that they are right are prefect for showmatches, take combatex for exampe. he fit all of the above and made a great showmatch series | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On April 21 2011 19:27 mR.bONG789 wrote: what are you talking about, people who suck but think they are good and insists that they are right are prefect for showmatches, take combatex for exampe. he fit all of the above and made a great showmatch series YES! exactly, knock dumb OP down a peg or two, and Minigun can laugh in his face, and show he's the vastly superior player  I say OP should play Mini as Terran AND zerg and get destroyed as both, then he can shut up about Root being terrible (which they're not, go Root and Kiwi and Mini and CatZ ) anyways, Mini rocks | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
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