On April 12 2011 09:27 EscPlan9 wrote: All fine except for one major assumption: that consumption of dairy has significantly increased from the switch. I infact consume less dairy, especially since I have soy milk instead of regular milk.
Even if dairy consumption has increased for some vegetarians, they still are purchasing a hell of a lot less animal products overall than non-vegetarians.
I cannot tell if you are trolling here, or actually want to argue a point. I think I can speak for most vegetarians here in saying we are not interested in having a full fledged debate on the ethics of vegetarian in a forum. Also, read the notice on the top:
Do not make this a debate on meat eating. You don't need to prove people "wrong" about their eating habits.
Yes, I am making a point - just as vegetarians have been making the point that if you eat fish you are not truly a vegetarian. My point is that if you are a vegetarian, then you are still doing the same thing as a meat-eater - because if you eat eggs or drink milk these cows and chickens still end up at the slaughterhouses once they get old and lay/produce less and are no longer of any use to the farmers.
On April 12 2011 09:51 x-Catalyst wrote: Maybe a picture of our lovely Jinro should be added to the op as well? I know he was vegetarian for quite a while but had to give it up when he moved to Korea considering meat and such is used in many of their dishes.
Yeah korea sounds like one of the worst possible places for food if you don't eat meat. I'm sure there are nutritious options, they're probably just not always convenient
Yeah, unfortunately, Korea isn't exactly the friendliest of places for people on any sort of dietary restriction (not just vegeterianism/veganism, but also kosher and halal restrictions as well). Not impossible to be one in Korea to be sure, but you've definitely got your work cut out for you. It's not necessarily the land animals you have to worry about (since you will know more or less if it's going into your food or not, although Korean food has quite a few dishes containing some sort of meat broth), but the presence of seafood (including shellfish, which becomes problematic for those restricted to a kosher diet) is pretty damn pervasive in a lot of Korean food.
Why be so uptight about the whole thing. I've had vegetarian food once in a while and some of it is actually quite nice (I grew up on soggy, overcooked veggies, hence my hatred of greens). It's not too shabby, but a nice chunk of steak is just too good.
Oh and one of my favourite comedians on the topic of food.
On April 12 2011 09:27 EscPlan9 wrote: All fine except for one major assumption: that consumption of dairy has significantly increased from the switch. I infact consume less dairy, especially since I have soy milk instead of regular milk.
Even if dairy consumption has increased for some vegetarians, they still are purchasing a hell of a lot less animal products overall than non-vegetarians.
I cannot tell if you are trolling here, or actually want to argue a point. I think I can speak for most vegetarians here in saying we are not interested in having a full fledged debate on the ethics of vegetarian in a forum. Also, read the notice on the top:
Do not make this a debate on meat eating. You don't need to prove people "wrong" about their eating habits.
Yes, I am making a point - just as vegetarians have been making the point that if you eat fish you are not truly a vegetarian. My point is that if you are a vegetarian, then you are still doing the same thing as a meat-eater - because if you eat eggs or drink milk these cows and chickens still end up at the slaughterhouses once they get old and lay/produce less and are no longer of any use to the farmers.
Are you not familiar with market systems? If less people consume meat products (vegans/vegetarians) then the industry will produce less. No point in going through all the costs of production, shipping and distribution if the product wont be consumed. Those old cows or chickens go to the slaughterhouse because people consume their meat, among other things.
People who have chosen not to eat meat or/and animal derived products in their diet certainly dont "do the same thing as a meat eater".
On April 12 2011 10:10 night terrors wrote: Are you not familiar with market systems? If less people consume meat products (vegans/vegetarians) then the industry will produce less. No point in going through all the costs of production, shipping and distribution if the product wont be consumed. Those old cows or chickens go to the slaughterhouse because people consume their meat, among other things.
People who have chosen not to eat meat or/and animal derived products in their diet certainly dont "do the same thing as a meat eater".
That's what I'm saying though - vegetarians are still contributing to the system, as even though they are abstaining from meat, they are still giving profit to industries where the animals still end up at the slaughterhouse. It'd be stupid to assume that milk and egg industries aren't linked to the meat industry. It's like buying products from The Body Shop because you don't believe in animal testing, yet ignoring the fact that The Body Shop's parent company is L'Oreal (where all its profits go to), one of the biggest animal testers in the industry.
And that is why I agree with your last sentence - I don't eat meat nor animal derived products (I've been a vegan for three years, vegetarian for nine). And I consider the nine years that I was a vegetarian as very hypocritical - because I was unaware. The OP in this thread has stated that "meat is murder". To be consistent, dairy is also murder.
On April 12 2011 03:27 Ayush_SCtoss wrote: I am vegetarian, not vegan. My family is too vegetarian. I am ok with this lifestyle really. Some of my friends do tease me sometimes but it doesn't really bother me. I mean, I do eat eggs (I know fish by some people is classified as vegetarian although I don't eat fish, is egg too?) but not in physical shape. Only in cakes, chocolates, confectioneries etc. For my kids, I will probably tell them to be vegetarian but I won't assert the decision by myself, I will let them choose, only at a suitable age though, not 12 or less lol.
Eggs are vegetarian, fish is not
"Vegetarians" annoy me, if you eat fish you aren't vegetarian, you just dont like red meat. But i guess it's better than nothing.
I've also heard of people who eat a steak a month to keep their iron levels up. Thats more steak than most people eat >:O and can easily be remedied with iron pills or mushrooms, olives, pseudo-meats etc.
I've always found it weird that eggs are considered vegetarian. In my mind, it's nearly the same thing as meat.
well your a deluded retard then arent you? eggs arent fertlised you gronk cunt
On April 12 2011 10:10 night terrors wrote: Are you not familiar with market systems? If less people consume meat products (vegans/vegetarians) then the industry will produce less. No point in going through all the costs of production, shipping and distribution if the product wont be consumed. Those old cows or chickens go to the slaughterhouse because people consume their meat, among other things.
People who have chosen not to eat meat or/and animal derived products in their diet certainly dont "do the same thing as a meat eater".
That's what I'm saying though - vegetarians are still contributing to the system, as even though they are abstaining from meat, they are still giving profit to industries where the animals still end up at the slaughterhouse. It'd be stupid to assume that milk and egg industries aren't linked to the meat industry. It's like buying products from The Body Shop because you don't believe in animal testing, yet ignoring the fact that The Body Shop's parent company is L'Oreal (where all its profits go to), one of the biggest animal testers in the industry.
And that is why I agree with your last sentence - I don't eat meat nor animal derived products (I've been a vegan for three years, vegetarian for nine). And I consider the nine years that I was a vegetarian as very hypocritical - because I was unaware. The OP in this thread has stated that "meat is murder". To be consistent, dairy is also murder.
I see what you'rse saying, but im worried that saying that vegetarians do the same thing as meat eaters might alienate peopple who might be comencing a process of eating less meat; moreover it might give an impression that is reductive and gives an impression not adequete that which is proposed its talking about.
Regarding dairy: not always. I imagine it might be difficult in large cities, but at least here you can get your eggs, milk and cheese from small dairy farms which keep their animals until they die.
On that line I hope you realize that animal products are present everywhere, literally. On cars, couches, computers, shoes, etc. Im trying to find an image i saw on facebook that showed some of the uses of cows, for which they are killed. This doesnt make illegitimate someone's choice to consdier their consumption habits and make changes. Its certainly not the same thing cutting back and not doing anything at all. If your logic is carried out then we should shut mozilla, turn the computer off and make ourselves cozy in the nearest cave, anything other than that being wrong.
On April 12 2011 03:27 Ayush_SCtoss wrote: I am vegetarian, not vegan. My family is too vegetarian. I am ok with this lifestyle really. Some of my friends do tease me sometimes but it doesn't really bother me. I mean, I do eat eggs (I know fish by some people is classified as vegetarian although I don't eat fish, is egg too?) but not in physical shape. Only in cakes, chocolates, confectioneries etc. For my kids, I will probably tell them to be vegetarian but I won't assert the decision by myself, I will let them choose, only at a suitable age though, not 12 or less lol.
Eggs are vegetarian, fish is not
"Vegetarians" annoy me, if you eat fish you aren't vegetarian, you just dont like red meat. But i guess it's better than nothing.
I've also heard of people who eat a steak a month to keep their iron levels up. Thats more steak than most people eat >:O and can easily be remedied with iron pills or mushrooms, olives, pseudo-meats etc.
I've always found it weird that eggs are considered vegetarian. In my mind, it's nearly the same thing as meat.
well your a deluded retard then arent you? eggs arent fertlised you gronk cunt
Well I guess I would like to share my Vegetarian story with you all
I weighed around 185 earlier in the year around the end of November and I decided to get off my fat ass and start running. By January I have seen a big improvement and I was around 170, I then decided to go Vegetarian not for weight loss, but just to see if I could do it.
It has been I believe 3 1/2 months of not eating meat and I weigh around 150. I am now wearing medium sized shirts for the 1st time in my life, and I got a girlfriend 2 months ago. My mechanics in SC2 are better and I understand most match ups and I am proud of my macro.
I do think becoming Vegetarian has helped me lose weight due to fast food restriction, I no longer eat as much fast food as I used to. Instead of getting a entire meal when I go out, I just usually get fries and a drink which fills me up now.
On April 12 2011 03:27 Ayush_SCtoss wrote: I am vegetarian, not vegan. My family is too vegetarian. I am ok with this lifestyle really. Some of my friends do tease me sometimes but it doesn't really bother me. I mean, I do eat eggs (I know fish by some people is classified as vegetarian although I don't eat fish, is egg too?) but not in physical shape. Only in cakes, chocolates, confectioneries etc. For my kids, I will probably tell them to be vegetarian but I won't assert the decision by myself, I will let them choose, only at a suitable age though, not 12 or less lol.
Eggs are vegetarian, fish is not
"Vegetarians" annoy me, if you eat fish you aren't vegetarian, you just dont like red meat. But i guess it's better than nothing.
I've also heard of people who eat a steak a month to keep their iron levels up. Thats more steak than most people eat >:O and can easily be remedied with iron pills or mushrooms, olives, pseudo-meats etc.
I've always found it weird that eggs are considered vegetarian. In my mind, it's nearly the same thing as meat.
well your a deluded retard then arent you? eggs arent fertlised you gronk cunt
He wrote "nearly the same thing". You're the deluded one if you don't realise that male chicks and hens after they are no longer productive aren't killed in the same way:
This is what was written:
"Vegetarians" annoy me, if you eat fish you aren't vegetarian, you just dont like red meat. But i guess it's better than nothing.
I take a relative view.
"Vegetarians" annoy me. If you eat dairy you aren't an animal lover, you just love some animals (but not chickens and cows). But I guess it's better than nothing.[/quote]
On April 12 2011 10:26 night terrors wrote: Regarding dairy: not always. I imagine it might be difficult in large cities, but at least here you can get your eggs, milk and cheese from small dairy farms which keep their animals until they die.
This I have zero issue with. But chances are if you buy your dairy from the supermarket (which I presume is likely the case for 99% of people here), then it is unlikely that the animal was kept until they died.
On April 12 2011 10:25 shwaffles wrote: Phototropian>>>Vegetarian + Show Spoiler +
There are actually fellows that only eat fruits and mushrooms and nothing that involves an organism dieing (I forgot what the name for that is, and I do not know if it is actually possible to get your proteins living like that).
Pescatarian here. I was raised that way, I'm fit and healthy, I'm happy.
I get pissed off when my parents try and pull the 'We're vegetarian therefore we're better card.' For one, we're not vegetarian, and vegetarianism isn't better or worse than eating meat.
But yeah, I don't think I've ever eaten meat, besides one meat pastie I had accidentally because I thought it was vegetarian. I don't have any desire to eat meat, it doesn't appeal to me at all.
No-one gives me a hard time because of it. Most people are just like "Oh really? I didn't know that." and then let it go.
On April 12 2011 10:25 shwaffles wrote: Phototropian>>>Vegetarian + Show Spoiler +
There are actually fellows that only eat fruits and mushrooms and nothing that involves an organism dieing (I forgot what the name for that is, and I do not know if it is actually possible to get your proteins living like that).
Fruitarians. I have a couple of friends who live on this diet and they are healthy (as far as I'm aware).
On April 12 2011 10:25 shwaffles wrote: Phototropian>>>Vegetarian + Show Spoiler +
There are actually fellows that only eat fruits and mushrooms and nothing that involves an organism dieing (I forgot what the name for that is, and I do not know if it is actually possible to get your proteins living like that).
Fruitarians. I have a couple of friends who live on this diet and they are healthy (as far as I'm aware).
Along the lines of this the cooks of the vegan restaurant i usually go to near uni are on a raw food diet (mostly, it seems) and the problem i see in this is that some health issues are not likely to be seen just now, but a few years down the line.
I've been vegetarian for almost two years now. When I first started eating a diverse vegetarian diet, I had a large influx of energy.
I actually read recently the nutrients and minerals that vegetarians and vegans should ensure they're getting: iron, calcium, protein, fatty acids, zinc and Vitamin B12.
I really enjoy the food I eat. I love trying different foods and cuisines all the time, my favorites include: Jamaican, Indian, Thai, and even some Southern American.(when done right!)
On April 12 2011 03:27 Ayush_SCtoss wrote: I am vegetarian, not vegan. My family is too vegetarian. I am ok with this lifestyle really. Some of my friends do tease me sometimes but it doesn't really bother me. I mean, I do eat eggs (I know fish by some people is classified as vegetarian although I don't eat fish, is egg too?) but not in physical shape. Only in cakes, chocolates, confectioneries etc. For my kids, I will probably tell them to be vegetarian but I won't assert the decision by myself, I will let them choose, only at a suitable age though, not 12 or less lol.
Eggs are vegetarian, fish is not
"Vegetarians" annoy me, if you eat fish you aren't vegetarian, you just dont like red meat. But i guess it's better than nothing.
I've also heard of people who eat a steak a month to keep their iron levels up. Thats more steak than most people eat >:O and can easily be remedied with iron pills or mushrooms, olives, pseudo-meats etc.
I've always found it weird that eggs are considered vegetarian. In my mind, it's nearly the same thing as meat.
well your a deluded retard then arent you? eggs arent fertlised you gronk cunt
... then masturbation is nearly the same thing as mass murder...
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