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[considering starcraft 2]
So I wanted to post this in blogs, but I couldn't find out how to create a topic there (can't find the 'new topic' button). However, it may fit in here as well.
I remember thinking about this before, but decided I'd put it to the test today. What I did was message 15 random known names on the EU server with a fairly innocent question - not one that would require a lot of elaboration. My questions were, depending on the race of the known name:
1. Hi, I don't want to disturb you, but do you think roaches have a place in ZvT? (terran or zerg)
2. Hi, I don't want to disturb you, but do you think banelings have a place in ZvP? (protoss or zerg)
Now I was just looking for a reply. Even a 'yes' and no further elaboration would be great. However, out of the 15 I asked, only aAaNerchio and RAZERiNSo gave me a reply.
I asked 15 random people from the teamliquid chat as well: out of 15 people, 15(!) gave me a reply (although one of them was 'fuck off', so I guess we can call it 14 out of 15).
Bare in mind that I also screened for activity - i.e. the messages were sent either when they just got out of a game or just logged on. Two pros (I won't specifically name anyone) just changed their status immediately to busy and flat-out ignored me, others would just ignore me and get into another game.
Now I personally find that this creates distance that is counterproductive to making eSports flourish, and would like to have teamliquid's opinion on the matter. Then again, I can get into the expert point of view, where they probably reason 'I don't want to get into a balance discussion with every other idiot after every game'. Even though I can obviously understand the expert point of view, I still feel like it is counterproductive for the whole sc2 community.
I have been on day9 three times (as 'HUARGH'), 2 funday mondays and 1 newbie tuesday, and I get the question 'are you huargh from day9?' A LOT. This was fun at first, but over the months this has become fairly repetitive and I'm not always looking forward to answering this same question. However, I still do, and sometimes even have a short chat or go out of my way to e-mail them one of the replays.
Some people also randomly ask me for opinions about strategy and gameplay. I often play 4v4 with real life friends who are bronze to gold league, so I tend to be the best player in the game (I peaked top 198 EU last season). If someone from the opponent's team asks me a balance or gameplay question, I always give them an answer - sometimes short (i.e. 'no, because tanks will rape you'), sometimes elaborate depending on how many 1v1s I lost in a row before the 4v4 session. I feel like I am obliged to answer these questions from a moral point of view - you have someone of lesser skill who wants your superior insight/help in a situation. When typing 'yeh, if he opens air, otherwise don't' takes a few seconds, I see no reason why you would not give a short reply.
As I have said before, I really feel like this creates some sort of distance. I used to be a huge chess nerd (still am in some sort of way; not as much anymore though) and remember having Daniël Stellwagen play at a chess site I used to visit when I was much younger. Giddy and nervously I PMd him a very stupid, general question (I was 14 years old or so): 'what do you think is the best opening move for white?' to which he lovely replied: 'there is no single best opening move, but e4 and d4 are the most popular'. I don't think I would ever get such a reply in sc2.
Poll: Do you think pros should generally be more friendly and interactive?No (162) 74% Yes (58) 26% 220 total votes Your vote: Do you think pros should generally be more friendly and interactive? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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Theres no downside to being nice in the sc2 community. But I can imagine that a day of stressful laddering can make people a bit edgy. Another situation in which they may not want to answer as you stated, was if they already get the questions all day long. I sometimes get random pms (only master in my friends that play sc2). I always respond nicely, but then again it may be because I know them.
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I have been on day9 three times (as 'HUARGH'), 2 funday mondays and 1 newbie tuesday, and I get the question 'are you huargh from day9?' A LOT. This was fun at first, but over the months this has become fairly repetitive and I'm not always looking forward to answering this same question. However, I still do, and sometimes even have a short chat or go out of my way to e-mail them one of the replays.
Take the number of ppl asking you questions about you being huargh and multiply it by 100, now you got the number of people messaging the pros in an hour. I don't really blame the pros for not answering "randoms" since they get so many messages all the time from ppl. Just watch inc's or huk's stream and you'll see infinite messages after every game/on facebook/on msn.
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Do you think pros should be your personal sparring partner just because you somehow got their ID? have you any idea how annoing you must be to them?
Edit: How can you feel intitled to a response? you dont know them, you dont pay them, they are not a public sercive just bec they are "pros"
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I once messaged EGDemulsim not expecting anything and actually was pleasantly surprised to get an answer (It was just a Hi big fan Good luck sort of message)
I think it just depends on the guy you message.
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On April 12 2011 02:44 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +I have been on day9 three times (as 'HUARGH'), 2 funday mondays and 1 newbie tuesday, and I get the question 'are you huargh from day9?' A LOT. This was fun at first, but over the months this has become fairly repetitive and I'm not always looking forward to answering this same question. However, I still do, and sometimes even have a short chat or go out of my way to e-mail them one of the replays.
Take the number of ppl asking you questions about you being huargh and multiply it by 100, now you got the number of people messaging the pros in an hour. I don't really blame the pros for not answering "randoms" since they get so many messages all the time from ppl. Just watch inc's or huk's stream and you'll see infinite messages after every game/on facebook/on msn.
Yea i have to agree with you... I think pros simply streaming and chatting a bit on there is more than enough on their part.
You have to realize that when a pro is laddering or practicing online its like Kobe at a shoot around... yea maybe he'll answer your questions real quick, but dude is trying to get work in.
He's in a totally different state of mind than you playing around with your friends on 4v4
I think Mondragon recently answering fan mail, the weekly SoTG, friendsday wednesday on day9 and community outreach along those lines is not only a much more reasonable thing to ask of a Pro gamer, but also gives a lot more to the community than simply answering a thousand PMs when one is trying to work.
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I think that it could be a good thing for pro's to think about, but the sheer amount is the problem for them. SOOOOO many people msg the pro's alllll the time, and generally when they are playing it's ladder grinding with little downtime.
I have only said one thing to a pro ever though, told kiwi grats on second at MLG, and got a ty.
Those two letters made me feel pretty damn special though. xD
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If they stopped clicking find game and answered every single fan that messaged them, they wouldn't get to play for 30 min to an hour. I think you should just go to an event and talk to them there, from what I've heard, most pros don't mind talking during downtime between games or when they are signing autographs ect.
Just think of it this way, they are at work (practicing Strarcraft II) and people message them consistently while they are playing. Now picture you being at work, people ask you questions over and over and over to the point you can't concentrate on what you are actually needing to do....work. I'm sure at first it is flattering, but after a while it has to be annoying getting asked the same questions over and over and over.
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No, they have work to do and it is extremely rude to randomly interrupt them, especially to ask questions that could be answered with google searches, a strat forum thread, and the viewing of a few vods.
plus there are like 5 "ask a player" articles accepting questions all the time....why not use one of these official channels instead of spamming them on bnet.
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Hey, I've met you several times on the ladder if i recall, i THINK you play T? I have a bad memory so I wouldn't be so sure.
About your OP, as much as i would like to agree with you and say that they should, but no, i mean nobody wants somebody asking them questions all the time.
While i understand your situation and about people asking you, it happens to me too because of my stream etc... BUT it sure as hell doesn't happen to me as often as it does to those pros! and I won't lie i sometimes ignore the questions, if I'm in a bad mood.
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Yeah, pros probably get spammed a good amount, which would be frustrating. There would be better options to contact them than in game messaging. Like others said, community shows are good, and possibly even TL PMs.
I think it should also be noted your questions. I might ignore people sending me such ambiguous questions like that while I was trying to ladder as well.
I support more community interaction but only within the proper forum, a neutral, agreed upon ground so to speak.
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Well if lots of people PM them I understand why they flat-out don't respond. It's simply too tedious and frustrating.
However I do remember my noob-days playing BW on the EU server, and later on Iccup. Yes, the good players always had the option of smurfing back then, but I don't think anyone expected them to respond to random PMs. What surprised me and gave me a warm fuzzy feeling about the community as a whole was that whenever I randomly got into a game with someone decently-known (happened a few times, despite myself being a lowly C level Terran), the other guy was always talkative and responsive to my dialog. I specifically remember a game or two with Tarson and Mondragon, they were very friendly. So was Tyler a few years back, when he smashed me in a ten minute TvP the only time I logged onto US West.
The community in SC2 is much bigger, and thus inherently invites a stronger feel of anonymity on the servers, despite the 1 name/account limitation. Maybe the good players don't want to lose focus while laddering, but I definitely think the friendliness is sufficient, even though more can never hurt.
Also, my general impression is that outside of the ladder, every known player except maybe Idra makes an effort to respond to his fans. The point is, as stated by others, a player trying to earn some money with SC2 treats his laddering session completely different than a casual diamond-level or below player.
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I used to play WoW and was well known on my server as one of the better arena players, and after I had a break or something and came back the ammount of questions simply became annoying, so I can imagine if you are a famous SC2 player, and people keep asking you silly/annoying questions you don't want to reply.
Another thing, watching for example grubby his stream, he had like 50+ chat windows open, and it would take him quite some time to answer all the questions people asked, it's not hard to imagine someone isn't interested in that.
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Well if i was a pro i would love my fans, and answer every question they had. But i guess if you get alot of questions every day it'll get annoying after a while.
Also, you're asking a very vague question about roaches/banelings, do you just expect the pro to say yes/no? I see this on streams as well, some guy will ask something like "what do you think about roach/hydra/muta in ZvT?" - i mean, what is the guy supposed to answer, he doesnt have time to write out a huge answer and the question itself is just sort of wierd. Maybe if people asked more "normal" questions more pros might reply.
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On April 12 2011 02:45 Soier wrote:
Edit: How can you feel intitled to a response? you dont know them, you dont pay them, they are not a public sercive just bec they are "pros"
I have no clue how it works over there in Denmark, but the way I see it is that companies sponsor events for the viewers, not for the pros. The pros make money because of us, and if you/they think otherwise you're sadly mistaken
On April 12 2011 02:44 TOCHMY wrote:
Just watch inc's or huk's stream and you'll see infinite messages after every game/on facebook/on msn.
The question is have you watched their streams? I've watched incs and huks a few times and geoff responds to every message he gets and both of them are interactive with stream chat. Your argument is "they shouldn't have to respond to everything because these 2 guys who get spammed all day do respond to everything" lmfao.
Any Pro-gamer or even amateur who refuses to interact with his fans is only doing it for the money and shouldn't have any fans. And they sure as hell don't care if eSports grows if they're giving people the cold shoulder. It falls on the Pro-gamer to schedule his time efficiently not the fans.
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I used to talk to pros all the time when I made tournaments. They were almost always nice. Almost every time they responded with something. However I'm pretty sure thats changed somewhat but w.e its cool. Most top players will respond unless their pissed off or in game. (From my personal experience)
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I think it depends largely on...
-the amount of time the pro happens to have at the moment
-how long/ elaborate your message is
-how long/ elaborate his reply would have to be
-how personable the pro is in general
-about ten other things
There are probably many variables that go into a topic like this. A bunch of us are definitely star struck and would love it if our favorite SC2 icon would Message us back after we put our heart and soul into a love note that we sent them...
But I don't know how realistic that is.
But feel free to do it anyway! 
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If you phoned up, say, Tiger Woods and asked him a general question about golf, would you expect an appropriate answer or 'fuck off'?
Pretty much the same thing randomly messaging a Starcraft 2 pro. Theres a time and a place for pros to interact with the community, but like a lot of people have said above me, messaging them in game isn't the right way to go about it.
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I am sure you are aware these guys get hounded all the time when they log onto B.Net, so no I don't think they have to be more friendly or answer every single question they're given in this situation even if you ask it in a polite manner. What they do with their time is up to them. No reply should suffice. They don't want to be bothered.
B.Net 2.0 is far more intrusive compared to the old one. I don't think they owe anything to anybody.
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I dont see the point in your post, since you answer your question yourself. Do i rather use rooks or bishops in late game? Im pretty sure 95% of the questions pro's are being asked are just nonsense and pointless since there is no general answer to it. Do drones have a place in lategame ZvP? You peak 198 in EU and still ask these sort of questions, questions you easily could answer yourself by doing some research. Now imagine what the average question they get looks like, multiply that by 100 like a previous poster wrote, and figure -.-
I think the real problem is that there is just too much attention whoring around.
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On April 12 2011 03:14 Desirous wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The question is have you watched their streams? I've watched incs and huks a few times and geoff responds to every message he gets and both of them are interactive with stream chat. Your argument is "they shouldn't have to respond to everything because these 2 guys who get spammed all day do respond to everything" lmfao.
yes i have watched their streams (why the hostility bro? chill...) and i recall huk declining 30 friend invites on facebook, clicking down 10 chat windows on facebook, declining 10 "plz add me on msn", and then checking again after 5 minutes, he got as much do deal with again.
And no, thats definately not my argument. Don't put words in my mouth (post).
And you are right. Inc does interact with stream chat, but he doesnt answere every single PM, wich he would have to do to satisfy OP.
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Much has already been said. They receive a LOT of messages. They're not always in the mood to answer them all. That's it, if you meet them in real life i'm sure they will be very happy to talk to you if you say you're supporting them.
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On April 12 2011 03:14 Desirous wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:45 Soier wrote:
Edit: How can you feel intitled to a response? you dont know them, you dont pay them, they are not a public sercive just bec they are "pros" I have no clue how it works over there in Denmark, but the way I see it is that companies sponsor events for the viewers, not for the pros. The pros make money because of us, and if you/they think otherwise you're sadly mistaken Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:44 TOCHMY wrote:
Just watch inc's or huk's stream and you'll see infinite messages after every game/on facebook/on msn. The question is have you watched their streams? I've watched incs and huks a few times and geoff responds to every message he gets and both of them are interactive with stream chat. Your argument is "they shouldn't have to respond to everything because these 2 guys who get spammed all day do respond to everything" lmfao. Any Pro-gamer or even amateur who refuses to interact with his fans is only doing it for the money and shouldn't have any fans. And they sure as hell don't care if eSports grows if they're giving people the cold shoulder. It falls on the Pro-gamer to schedule his time efficiently not the fans.
Dude I think you being extremely narrow in your definition of interact. Not answering a million pointless PMs doesn't make a pro "only in it for the money"
I don't at all get the impression that most Pro players are cut off and unwilling to contribute to the community. I think you are having an unreasonable expectation of the amount of time Pros have.
If I schedule 2 hours to practice on ladder that's two hours to practice on ladder, not sit and answer PMs... Maybe I also have an interview scheduled later in the day. Or maybe I'm appearing on a podcast.
I don't see how you can say someone is not caring about growing Esports when they want to practice during their practice time.
Now if Pros are blowing off fans and interviews at an MLG event to go make it rain a club... then yea thats being counter productive to growing esports
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On April 12 2011 04:09 RouaF wrote:
Much has already been said. They receive a LOT of messages. They're not always in the mood to answer them all. That's it, if you meet them in real life i'm sure they will be very happy to talk to you if you say you're supporting them.
This.
I asked Day9 at PAX what he thought about Forcefields, Creep speed boost, Stim, Concussive Shell, speedlings and roaches being stupidly fast, blink, charge and all of the other unit abilities that punish players for moving out of their base. Because, I pointed out, none of these were here in SC1 and that the lack of their presence seems to lead to more active gameplay (i.e. more fun skirmish play instead of sitting on 2 or 3 bases until you have the perfect unit mix and moving out). He gladly answered that the abilities/mechanics that I listed were just mechanisms of players to capitalize on other player's mistakes. Now, I wasn't totally convinced (and I'm still not) whether these things are good for the game, but when I asked him in person he was more than willing to answer my question.
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We actually have progamers like that , Grubby and WhiteRa to mention a few.
But to see more of that kind of friendliness could never hurt.
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When you go to a professional sporting event what do you expect?
It would be nice if I went to Yankee Stadium and Alex Rodriguez gave me an answer to my questions about the importance of keeping your eye on the ball for hitting, but he isn't there to answer my questions. He is there to play a game and many people are there to watch him play, not to watch him answer my questions.
Now I agree personal interaction is great and a great way to grow the spot but at the end of the day their focus is on maximizing their ability to play the game. Which means practicing not chatting with folks in game. You might have a better chance talking with them via email when they can answer questions on their own time.
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During a ladder match I get annoyed when a friend messages me, unless I'm super winning, but you don't really want spam from a buddy while you're trying to hold off a 4gate or something.
Point being: Those are my friends. If it were just some random fanboy i'd get even more annoyed. (not that i have fanboys). If you want to ask a pro a question find their twitter account or TL profile and message them there.
Besides that, you sound like you want attention. "Look at me i've been on the d9d 3 times!". "Look at me, pros didn't answer my pointless interview questions, ARE THEY IMPOLITE?"
And for both your questions. yes roaches have a place in tvz, vs mech, vs helions. And yes banelings have a place in PvZ. There is lots of discussion about banelings vs sentry heavy compositions, baneling drops, and baneling bombs on the middle of a protoss ball.
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u prolly dont understand
these guys get that kind of question 50 times a day
i wouldve stopped replying at the second time
if you really want to ask such question
ask the forums or learn it yourself by doing really
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nothing wrong with being friendly but you must surely know from your own little experience that it can get annoying when people constantly message you random crap. you were on Day9's show once or twice and you even got annoyed from the extra attention. just imagine how a pro like Idra or Jinro would feel at their intense level of fandom.
your poll is kinda strange. of course we want friendliness among Esports. I think the poll you really wanted was:
Should Pros be nice enough to answer random questions from strangers? Fuck no.
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I'm actually scared to message pros because I don't want to bother them. And I wish everyone had that mentality.
Think about this. Let's say you're a computer programmer. You're at a party, and someone asks what you do. You answer that you work with computers. Then they ask if you can take a look at their computer, ask how you use a certain software, etc.
This happens all the time.
Asking a professional gamer for advice is pretty much the same thing, but worse, because you're on the internet and don't even have the personal connection. People like IdrA and INcontrol get paid to answer the questions you're asking. Why should they do it for free?
I mean, it's different if you get coaching first and get permission to ask them questions like this later on. But to do it without knowing them is kind of rude.
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Honestly, it's not their job to help you or answer your questions it would be nice if they did but when there trying to practice I don't think they want to be disturbed. Also think about the fact that they will get sometimes even hundreds of messages from people and a lot will be trolls so when a player comes online they will go busy because they are exactly that. Busy.
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i don't see why you feel entitled to getting strategic advice from pros, why the hell do you think its acceptable to start asking some random pro who doesnt even know you for information? and why do you feel entitled to an answer? they get 100s of questions a day when they log on to ladder from random people, they aren't your buddy who will help you out whenever you want.
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If pros want to ignore a random question from a random player, then that's perfectly fine. If you consider professional athletes as a proxy, would you really waste their time with questions like "do you think the fade-away jumper has place when shooting outside the paint?" or "do you think I should only slap shot the puck from the blue-line?". Your "simple" question is very vague, and reading some treads on TL or watching some streams/replays will give you an answer. Why should someone expect a pro to give them any bit of time to help them improve/figure something out when they aren't willing to put in the time to figure it out with easy sources.
On top of that, in pro-gaming, you're even MORE accessible to fans compared to pro athletes. Instead of running into a handful of fans a day, you could literally have thousands of people with you on their friends list sending stuff to you. Even when I watch catz or destiny stream, there are jerks who treat whispering the person like it's a chat channel, having conversations with others using the streamer as the medium. When you deal with stuff like that ALL the time, you start lumping it all together and it's easier to just ignore it.
With my name, I get "Are you Mr. Bitters?!" all the time in games (1/5 times on ladder), despite the streamer being "Mr. Bitter" (no 's') and having is battle.net ID as "Flabulous". I find that even something like that can get annoying, I can't imagine if I had to deal with hundreds of whispers a day.
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It may be hard to realize how annoying it is unless you're in that position yourself.
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The reason pro players don't respond to tells from random idiots is the same reason pros have smurf accounts, they don't want to and can't answer all the shit random people want to ask them. Not everyone runs a stream like QXC.
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I'll try to strike up a conversation with a "Pro" player if I happen to run across them in my Starcraft travels (Tournies, In-games, meet-ups, etc)
but messaging them on b.net while they're playing is pretty rude IMO.
PM'ing them on TL.net is a much less direct approach, and if they're checking their PM's... most likely they're not in the middle of a game. So you probably stand a better chance of getting a response.
just my $0.02
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Ret is one of the friendliest in the pro scene. He's nice : -)
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Don't talk to progammers while they're playing.
They're not your friend,and besides they may be playing in a tournament or discussing builds with friends or just chilling/ doing stuff. They are not here to talk to you, sorry.
That said, another thread as already been made on that topic where pretty much everyone said that it's only ok to message them to encourage them and cheer them. 1/2 sentences. And pretty much everyone said that asking something wouldn't be answered.
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I don't think we can say "All pros should be more friendly".
People are different, and even the friendly people might be having a bad day. You can't just expect them to have a good conversation all the time for everyone that tries to talk to them.
//tx
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Back when i was in the top wow guild i would get so many random whispers the entire day, 99% got a reply back if I was not busy. However sometimes I would be in a bad mood and just ignore the person (thanks to internet easy)
I don't condone just ignoring people, but there might always be reasons why they might not answer you. People always think " why can't he answer this one question" but if you are the 100th person to ask....
People should also respect the privacy of others.
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There was a similiar thread a while ago with some pros stating their opinion.
Link The last post has some sort of summary (though he missed some pros like Darkforce).
Overall my opinion is:
It would annoy me. Use other methods of communication (ilve events, stream chats, PMs, IRC, ...)
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I think its rude to be messaging pro players with stupid questions and/or comments. With that said, I think the pro community in general has nothing but disdain for the general playerbase based on comments that you hear tasteosis/day9 make or other casts like State of the Game. Pro players in general seem to ridicule and look down on the average player, so I wouldn't really expect them to answer a whisper even if for some reason they weren't actually busy practicing.
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Personnaly, the two pros I've ever pm'd so far (lalush and stephano) have both replied when i asked them a question (not like" omg how do i winz" but like 2-3 lines) but when i see the amount of messaging people get while streaming i'd actually feel bad about messaging them :>
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can you imagine the chaos if people were able to communicate with Kobe every time he held a basketball?
i think thats one way to look at it. since any pros with their ID known to public, will be harassed just being online with sc2 on.
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You can't ask them to be anything but themselves, and some people, myself included, have trouble playing and typing to people at the same time.
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I once messaged MouzMaNa and told him i was a big fan and that i was thrilled for his Dreamhack finish, even though I was sad about him not winning. He lol'ed, thanked me and I thought it was very nice of him.
I also accidently messaged Adelscott, he blocked me -.- but i never liked Adel so I don't care
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I asked Machine to wave to the camera on State of The Game, and he did it - with a smile!
<3
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I pm\d Jinro something nonsensical and I got a nonsensical respond, so overall I am happy and Starcraft pros are 1 for 1 with me. Anyway I Think there are a lot of factors you need to take into account. First of all, no popular starcraft 2 pro will ever be able to get back to all of his fans, so in some ways just getting back to a few is is not fair to the other fans. Anyway one big thing I think we need to take into consideration, which I know is a big problem for anyone who work on the computer and basically have complete freedom in terms of workload\scheduling. When they sit down to practice, they practice.
That is something that is more or less absolutly needed to be able to have great success as a starcraft 2 professional imo. If you sit down to practice, and spend half of the time , or 25% of the time, or 10% of the time, or 5% of the time, responding to fans instead of pracitcing, then there will be someone out there who works harder than you and who does not spend that extra time on fans and who could get better because of that. So any time they use responding to fans should more so go out of their "free time " than their "practice time" and I am sure you can understand that for someone who probably practices starcraft 5-8+ hours a day, it does not always seem like a great way to spend my freetime chatting Teaching 1 out of 100 fans how to play starcraft 2.
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Progamers have a TON of random people constantly messaging them. They have absolutely no time to message every single person. What makes you think that you're special enough to warrant them responding to you?
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Pro's also do this for a living. You might be able to compare it to a backhoe driver. If random people started stopping every day, 40-50 a day, asking you how to work it or what maker is the best for backhoes it would get irritating not only for the worker but the company. They are trying to better their play for professional/profitable reasons so they are not always going to want to help. Considering the massive amount of ways to find help online it isn't really a negative thing to esports if they don't respond.
We have TL.net, all the commentators, lessons that are given by pros, and just playing for experience to learn. Asking them while they are working isn't really necessary to get better.
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On April 12 2011 03:14 Desirous wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:45 Soier wrote:
Edit: How can you feel intitled to a response? you dont know them, you dont pay them, they are not a public sercive just bec they are "pros" I have no clue how it works over there in Denmark, but the way I see it is that companies sponsor events for the viewers, not for the pros. The pros make money because of us, and if you/they think otherwise you're sadly mistaken Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:44 TOCHMY wrote:
Just watch inc's or huk's stream and you'll see infinite messages after every game/on facebook/on msn. The question is have you watched their streams? I've watched incs and huks a few times and geoff responds to every message he gets and both of them are interactive with stream chat. Your argument is "they shouldn't have to respond to everything because these 2 guys who get spammed all day do respond to everything" lmfao. Any Pro-gamer or even amateur who refuses to interact with his fans is only doing it for the money and shouldn't have any fans. And they sure as hell don't care if eSports grows if they're giving people the cold shoulder. It falls on the Pro-gamer to schedule his time efficiently not the fans.
you say it like it's NFL or NBA where fanfare dictates a huge differential in salary of the millions. LOL @ only in it for the money, seriously? most 'progamers' are not on that level and nothing would change for them if no one cared whether they won every tournament. it falls on the progamer to prioritize indulging his fans over playing or anything else he could be doing and nothing more. not everyone is on a valiant crusade to carry the world of esports on their shoulders, most people just play the game because they enjoy it and some happen to be very good.
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I see where you are coming from. But even I, am torn on whether or not I am truely a "pro gamer" I don't really play enough per day, but I get messages, A LOT. I mean, A LOT A LOT. I tried at first to respond politely to all of them, but now, I tend to just ignore them.
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Well messaging someone saying "im a big fan of u gl in the future etc" is fine and it doesnt need a reply.Im sure the person would appreciate it.Whats annoying though is when people start asking questions,and sometimes really stupid ones,such as "OMG PLAYER X how do u deal with banelings"
Spamming is also annoying.
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Random people who message you asking for advice should be dealt with the same way beggars are dealt with. Don't acknowledge their existence at all.
The second you respond they will think you're their new best friend and message you every other day and ask you to play 2v2 with them despite being turned down every time. It's nice when people message you once in a blue moon and you respond, but unfortunately most of the random people who message you are annoying 14 year olds.
EDIT: I don't mean to sound rude, but it's just frustrating when you are friendly and nice to people who don't understand social norms.
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If you sponsor me, I will respond to you in chat when you ask me questions . Semipros usually respond, I don't know, maybe they just felt you were trolling them when you asked that question.
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Braavos36389 Posts
I think this is not really going anywhere, the experiment was pretty flawed to begin with.
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EPT
