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iDoMiNaTe2.0
288 Posts
Lag issuses I think it's not wise to be talking about something that you weren't apart of I'm sure if one player was lagging the other would feel it too. AdelScott / QXC / GoOdy just played great I know everyone is probably shocked, but AdelScott and QXC both played macro games with good upgrades playing as solid as I have seen in SC2 anywhere. | ||
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eoLithic
Norway221 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:18 iNcontroL wrote: Commentators were developing the story and generating excitement by discussing the various elements to the matches. Because there was a latency issue you expected them to do 100% play by play and avoid the Korean vs foreigner story? Seriously? Is it truly the case that there is no easing everyone? I in fact thought they didn't get excited enough... kidding me? These were amazing upsets latency or no. Had chill screamed until he was hoarse I'd be fine with it lol What I`m saying is that I want to be able to watch what I love; that being the finest koreans vs. the finest foreigners with commentators focusing on the game and what happens between the two players within the play time. The games were not the focuse at all tonight, at. all. Even though someone might have expectations about what commentators are going to focuse on, doesn`t mean it is ok to do so. I expect trolls to make rasist comments on youtube whenever there`s an african person eating a banana, but does that make it acceptable? note* without saying tonights commentating was rasist by any means ofc, LOL =D | ||
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intergalactic
Canada428 Posts
I mean, even the koreans are being mannered, and so far, they are saying they underestimated the foreigners etc. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:18 PokePill wrote: The foreigner vs. Korean thing is ... too much when the compliments are on the other side of the fence? If you had followed Brood War at all you would know how treacherous the foreigner vs Korean scene has been since forever and because just ONE day of all days, even if it was due to latency, Chill gets at least a little excited because WE (the foreign) scene are actually winning for once, that offends you? Yeah, I think you summed up some of my thoughts for me. I know that sc2 isn't the same as BW, but in BW the skill gap was so big that when White-Ra (one of the top5 foreigners) beat a struggling Boxer, everyone rushed up and wanted to hug the guy in celebration. Sure, things are clearly different as idra and jinro alone have showed, but to me and it seems for chill as well, that this is still starcraft a game that had been completely Korean dominated and today is the first day in 10 years that Foreigners have really put on a display and taken down numerous Koreans all at once. Not just Koreans, but recent Korean champions. | ||
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The Stapler
United States326 Posts
it's called having a story line....3 out of the 4 games were KR vs foreigner today...that was the main theme if casters just limit discussion to only the games being casted it will get very boring and dull that's why in other sports commentators talk about story lines...certain players off-the-field actions....stats....records.....team history, etc... it is to generate context and excitement | ||
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Dingo22
United States34 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:16 LangJaiQQ wrote: Games were fun to watch but imo both casters sort of ruined the intense. Have someone else cast it then it would be better. The OP said he wanted it toned down (sounded to me like he would rather hear nothing but facts, figures, statistics, and dull drivel the entire time). You say it ruined the intensity of the matches. I say it adds hype and flavor to the cast. It's great to pit two sides against each other, especially when one of those sides has dominated the starcraft scene for so long. What would the Ryder Cup (golf) be without USA vs The World? I know it isn't the same things, but preceived underdogs rising up makes for good commentary. | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:16 Tyree wrote: "Day9 coughed during casting, death of E-Sports?" LOL u sir made me laugh ON TOPIC: i think alot of people take the commentary business tooooo seriously calm down its just a game, dont keep crying and hating on husky and chill. i found their commentary very enjoyable. The only thing that bothered me watching this was that the koreans didnt seem to try as hard as i expected, maybe they take this as a joke or the lag is too intense for this to be a successful. anyway the games were awesome had alot of fun watching the foreigners are proving they may be on par with the Koreans tho | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:18 iNcontroL wrote: Commentators were developing the story and generating excitement by discussing the various elements to the matches. Because there was a latency issue you expected them to do 100% play by play and avoid the Korean vs foreigner story? Seriously? Is it truly the case that there is no easing everyone? I in fact thought they didn't get excited enough... kidding me? These were amazing upsets latency or no. Had chill screamed until he was hoarse I'd be fine with it lol Well said, was going to post something similar. | ||
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TrainFX
United States469 Posts
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stenole
Norway868 Posts
I don't think it's unprofessional to point out this difference between the players. It has for a long time been assumed that progamers are by default better than competitive foreigners, Results from tournaments have both to some degree confirmed and unconfirmed this assumption. And although the tournament in the end comes down to player vs player, it is also fun and interesting to examine how the foreign community as a whole are matching up against the professionals. Koreans are not gaming machines all made out of the same mold. You see this in interviews and from their styles of play. I think the casters acknowledge this too. I feel the OP needs a spoiler alert in it since it is hard to discuss this without bringing up the recent TSL results. | ||
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riff
United States113 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:27 intergalactic wrote: You know what's annoying? People who should cheer for their foreigner-kin, since they don't have many opportunities to do so, and instead, find every and any possible excuse as to why koreans shouldn't have lost and foreigners are undeserving. What the hell man, for once the koreans aren't DOMINATING everyone else, and people actually talk about lag and such? I feel like it was Chill's responsability to point out how much the foreigners are doing well against koreans for once. I mean, even the koreans are being mannered, and so far, they are saying they underestimated the foreigners etc. I don't know about you, but it feels slightly dirty when the conditions were as they were. It's like if you had a boxing champion who usually owns it up all the time, and some underdog who usually loses to the champion. One day they have a showmatch, but the champion is sick or something and loses. Then all the fans of the underdog praise him when he wins, saying, "Oh wow, he did so well against the champion!" Doesn't that feel wrong? It sure does to me. I know for sure that when I'm playing something competitively and I win under unfair conditions and everyone blindly compliments me, I feel a bit dirty and kind of annoyed at the shortsightedness of people. For instance, back when I played badminton competitively, I beat one of the best players on my team even though she was kind of sick and had a wrist injury. People were like, "Wow dude you're so good!" and were talking about how much better player I had become, but I knew that I only won because of the unfair conditions, and I felt pretty annoyed at all the people simply jumping to conclusions without looking at the situation objectively. That's just how I am, and I'm pretty sure that people with a similar mentality to mine see this situation in a similar light. | ||
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
I think chill did a great job. But you know, haters gonna hate. | ||
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eoLithic
Norway221 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:28 Trezeguet wrote: Yeah, I think you summed up some of my thoughts for me. I know that sc2 isn't the same as BW, but in BW the skill gap was so big that when White-Ra (one of the top5 foreigners) beat a struggling Boxer, everyone rushed up and wanted to hug the guy in celebration. Sure, things are clearly different as idra and jinro alone have showed, but to me and it seems for chill as well, that this is still starcraft a game that had been completely Korean dominated and today is the first day in 10 years that Foreigners have really put on a display and taken down numerous Koreans all at once. Not just Koreans, but recent Korean champions. I am in no way, shape or form offended by the commentating and it`s not as big of a deal for me personally than most people think. All it did was take focuse away from what should have been the focuse, the games. I think it made it sound unproffesional | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:16 caelym wrote: If you didn't followed competitive Broodwar, you wouldn't have the complete context in mind when watching the TSL. In BW, the skill gap between Koreans and foreigners was insurmountable. The best foreigners were worse than Korean b team players. This is where the hype of Koreans vs world comes from. Finally we, old school BW watchers/players, are seeing foreigners in SC2 legitimately competing against Koreans. Maybe our mindset is outdated, but the feeling off seeing top Koreans getting eliminated by midlevel foreigners is amazing. I can completely empathize with Chill's awe and enthusiasm during today's event. This. It was pretty uncommon in BW for any foreigner to give a korean progamer a tough game. The fact that games are so close between foreigners and koreans are really surprising and rare to anyone that follows the BW scene. | ||
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eoLithic
Norway221 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:29 GiantEnemyCrab wrote: LOL u sir made me laugh ON TOPIC: i think alot of people take the commentary business tooooo seriously calm down its just a game, dont keep crying and hating on husky and chill. i found their commentary very enjoyable. The only thing that bothered me watching this was that the koreans didnt seem to try as hard as i expected, maybe they take this as a joke or the lag is too intense for this to be a successful. anyway the games were awesome had alot of fun watching It`s just a game, exactly. Then commentate the games and leave it be. I didnt`take any offense or anything from tonights cast, I just think it ruined abit of the commentating bit(game commentating) | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
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Blondinbengt
Sweden578 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:34 eoLithic wrote: I am in no way, shape or form offended by the commentating and it`s not as big of a deal for me personally than most people think. All it did was take focuse away from what should have been the focuse, the games. I think it made it sound unproffesional Unprofessional compared to what? ''Normal'' sports commentating? I can't think of a single sport where there's not a solid portion of the commentating that's focused on the histories/rivalries between the teams/athletes. | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
Here's a warning to you, never watch Khaldor cast any games with German players. ; ) | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
I think I can add something to the discussion. It about ways casters present information. I think it was Tyler who said it on Sotg once and it really opened my eyes. What his point came down to is excitement/surprise is a big part of watching a cast. If there is an attack happening and you show the defender will have x and hold it off. You watch the attack unfold and pretty much know whats gonna happen. Whereas if you actively decide to withold that information so that when you watch the attack happen, you have no clue, it could go either way, omg hes losing and bam, x finishes or pops out and he manages to defend it, that was close! Why I feel it was so interesting is because it allows you to sort of rationalise flaws in casting. There are so many people who feel the need to point out small errors and what not, while you could easily not care and even think about what positive stuff it can actually adds. You have to apply this with common sense, it's not a guideline or end all view just something to explore from time to time. Now to come back to the point of the casting being swayed what is deemed unfairly by some, it's easy to say the, what I presume passionate and maybe slight exgaguration, adds a lot of that excitement. And that's just what it is. Making the game fun to watch. | ||
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