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LangJaiQQ
Profile Joined November 2010
Vietnam38 Posts
March 26 2011 23:16 GMT
#21
Games were fun to watch but imo both casters sort of ruined the intense. Have someone else cast it then it would be better.
eoLithic
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway221 Posts
March 26 2011 23:16 GMT
#22
The conclusions are just so poorly backed up. People refeer to IEM and goes, "well, it`s over. Koreans are once again miles ahead of the foreigners and the skill gap will just increase"

A month later, well we can now obvisouly see that the korean scene vs. the foreign scene, NO PROBLEM=D

Why make assumptions when there are no backed up assumptions to be made?
"You`re a pro or you`re a noob...that`s life"
Ubes
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland111 Posts
March 26 2011 23:16 GMT
#23
You're being overly sensitive. Chill and Husky did a good job today.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
March 26 2011 23:17 GMT
#24
On March 27 2011 08:14 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 08:11 HolyArrow wrote:
I agree with OP. Chill, and, to a lesser extent, Husky both came off as kind of taking advantage of the Korean players's lag issues to praise foreigner play and make them sound as if they actually beat a top Korean pro in a fair environment. Chill and Husky aren't stupid; anyone who's casted as many games as them know what good stutter step micro looks like. They know that any competent player, let alone a GSL Champion, wouldn't let a Reaper or Marine get surrounded and killed by probes that early in the game. And they kept saying stuff like "Oh, and looks like Nestea is going to just waste all his roaches", as if lag didn't slow down the retreat a bit at all. It was really annoying to see absolutely no acknowledgment from the casters.

Oh, and before anyone quotes me saying, "What do you expect the casters to do? Just make lag the big issue throughout the game and take away from foreigner accomplishments?"

No. I just expected the casters to at least say something like, "And wow, it looks like MVP's stimmed marauder kiting is being affected pretty badly by lag..."

It was simply a very painful elephant in the room that none of the casters even mentioned. In fact, they kept trying to make the viewers think that, since the games are on the NA server, that the playing field is even, which came off as either dirty or at least uninformed.



You wanted to have the commentators point when lag was affecting the game? So what, whenever a korean made a mistake the commentators should say "well looks like the lag is getting bad now".

Not only would that totally ruin the experience, it would be impossible for them to know when there is lag and when there isnt.

I'm speechless.


I put a disclaimer in the middle there pre-emptively citing how I expected people to respond, I addressed it, and you still respond in the same way. All I was saying was that a nice little acknowledgment would have been nice, rather than the casters either ignoring the lag completely (even though plenty of viewers could see differences in MVP's play from the GSL and the TSL) or even trying to imply that everything is perfectly even.
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
March 26 2011 23:17 GMT
#25
The cast was great and I don't mind if casters were biased towards foreigner players. Everyone is talking about "koreans vs foreigners" and u want Chill to just ignore it?
Day9 was just as biased as Chill on this aspect and no one complained.
Dingo22
Profile Joined March 2011
United States34 Posts
March 26 2011 23:17 GMT
#26
On March 27 2011 08:16 Tyree wrote:
Why is there always 5-6 topics after every TSL/GSL about something that is "wrong?"

Why do we always get stuff like this:

"Forcefields, biggest problem in PvZ?"
"SC2 will die unless Stim is fixed?"
"Chill, trying to start a all out war between Foreigners vs Koreans?"
"Mech, wrong way to play the game?"
"Day9 coughed during casting, death of E-Sports?"
"Top 10 reasons why SOTG will destroy SC2 and TL.net"

etc etc

All these topics seem to me to be trying to create drama out of thin air, is it sophisticated trolling or just people nitpicking at everything?



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zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
March 26 2011 23:18 GMT
#27
That was the best casting I've ever seen done by Chill. I can't believe people are actually bitching about that. His analysis was spot on pretty much every game.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 23:20:14
March 26 2011 23:18 GMT
#28
Commentators were developing the story and generating excitement by discussing the various elements to the matches. Because there was a latency issue you expected them to do 100% play by play and avoid the Korean vs foreigner story? Seriously? Is it truly the case that there is no easing everyone? I in fact thought they didn't get excited enough... kidding me? These were amazing upsets latency or no. Had chill screamed until he was hoarse I'd be fine with it lol
PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
March 26 2011 23:18 GMT
#29
The foreigner vs. Korean thing is ... too much when the compliments are on the other side of the fence? If you had followed Brood War at all you would know how treacherous the foreigner vs Korean scene has been since forever and because just ONE day of all days, even if it was due to latency, Chill gets at least a little excited because WE (the foreign) scene are actually winning for once, that offends you?
Flanagan
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 23:20:15
March 26 2011 23:18 GMT
#30
I dunno. If we look at all these results in general, European players are beating Korean players, yes? And the way I see it, correct me if I'm wrong, but NA players seem to hold their own against EU players... I think. I don't want to use a transitive property idea, but I guess that's what I'm insinuating. European players kind of play in the same condition as Korean players, playing on the NA server. I mean, just look at the FXO invitational that's happening right now. All the games are happening on the NA server, so for EU, they're with the lag KR is getting, right?

I know, I'm basing my argument on a good amount of assumptions. I'd say that foreigners are starting to level the playing field. TSL is a bad example to use though, and I do agree with the OP.


Edit: Above all else, the commentating was fucking fantastic. They couldn't have done a better job. Just the references to korea v foreigners seems a little much, especially during a cast.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
March 26 2011 23:19 GMT
#31
Chill was being his usual honest, lovely self, no issues here.

Didn't think it was unprofessional or overdone. He was excited about the results and that was reflected in the cast. Entertaining cast as well, Chill did a good job reigning Husky in as well. Much better combo than DjWheat/Husky last week.
raist
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada90 Posts
March 26 2011 23:20 GMT
#32
I haven't watched the matches yet, but I really don't think you can compare skill with these types of tournaments.

To be completely honest I don't think koreans take these seriously, they don't practice for them much.To them it's show up and either win or lose, no big deal.

Now to foreigners its a little different, they put alot of time into these matches there going against and are just more prepared. If koreans took it seriously I have no doubt they would dominate easily. But to them it's just a showmatch type of thing, not a competetive tourny
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 23:22:35
March 26 2011 23:20 GMT
#33
On March 27 2011 08:16 Tyree wrote:
Why is there always 5-6 topics after every TSL/GSL about something that is "wrong?"

Why do we always get stuff like this:

"Forcefields, biggest problem in PvZ?"
"SC2 will die unless Stim is fixed?"
"Chill, trying to start a all out war between Foreigners vs Koreans?"
"Mech, wrong way to play the game?"
"Day9 coughed during casting, death of E-Sports?"
"Top 10 reasons why SOTG will destroy SC2 and TL.net"

etc etc

All these topics seem to me to be trying to create drama out of thin air, is it sophisticated trolling or just people nitpicking at everything?

holy shit I almost spit out my drink


On March 27 2011 08:18 iNcontroL wrote:
Commentators were developing the story and generating excitement by discussing the various elements to the matches. Because there was a latency issue you expected them to do 100% play by play and avoid the Korean vs foreigner story? Seriously? Is it truly the case that there is no easing everyone? I in fact thought they didn't get excited enough... kidding me? These were amazing upsets latency or no. Had chill screamed until he was hoarse I'd be fine with it lol

Yes!

Looking forward to hearing you and Gretorp scream in excitement at GSL. Your enthusiastic casting made the already epic GCPL final Naniwa vs Sen ace series even better.
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 23:23:30
March 26 2011 23:21 GMT
#34
Seconding the OP here. Glad to see some level headed thinking and skepticism. A handful of matches is never a good indicator of overall skill comparisons.

I'm not so much annoyed with the casting (How can you hate on Chill), but with the response of the TL community. There have been some awfully ignorant things thrown around both on the forums and IRC.
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Granath
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden31 Posts
March 26 2011 23:22 GMT
#35
Who gives a fuck?

User was temp banned for this post.
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
March 26 2011 23:22 GMT
#36
On March 27 2011 08:16 caelym wrote:
If you didn't followed competitive Broodwar, you wouldn't have the complete context in mind when watching the TSL. In BW, the skill gap between Koreans and foreigners was insurmountable. The best foreigners were worse than Korean b team players. This is where the hype of Koreans vs world comes from. Finally we, old school BW watchers/players, are seeing foreigners in SC2 legitimately competing against Koreans. Maybe our mindset is outdated, but the feeling off seeing top Koreans getting eliminated by midlevel foreigners is amazing. I can completely empathize with Chill's awe and enthusiasm during today's event.

I completely agree with this. The foreigners were redoubtably the underdogs going into this and its extremely awesome that they foreign community is going toe to toe vs them
Magic_Mike
Profile Joined May 2010
United States542 Posts
March 26 2011 23:23 GMT
#37
I think the commentating was fantastic. Besides, even if he was intentionally being harsh (and I don't think he was) Koreans are just as guilty of basing on "white dudes" after they thrash them. Anyone remember the famous "Koreans own white dudes" video. As a white dude, I wasn't insulted. It's all in good fun man. Just sit back and enjoy the games man.

manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
March 26 2011 23:23 GMT
#38
But nationality does come up to a certain extent. Do you always consider it unprofessional when they bring up "Oh he's swedish, there are some pretty awesome swedes out there like Jinro". Koreans were the top of the world in BW, and still are the top as far as we have managed to find out (IEM being one example). But it isn't figured out, and this is a big tournament with a lot of top level koreans versus top level foreigners so ignoring this would be pretty well ignorant.
Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
March 26 2011 23:23 GMT
#39
Nothing wrong with the cast. The casters were just excited that foreigners were performing well in the tournament (along with 99% of the viewers watching the stream).
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nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
March 26 2011 23:24 GMT
#40
well, it's like watching a World Cup matchup with Brazil vs Korea.

Commentators WILL talk about the skill gap difference. It's not that it's unprofessional, but it is too painfully obvious not to talk about it. Also, to avoid to talk about it altogether would be disservice to the fans that don't know about the history of the game.

I didn't find talking about the skill gap many times to be unprofessional. It just showed how much Chill was excited that foreigners were closing the gap between Koreans and that kind of shows that eSports outside of Korea was growing rapidly as well.
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