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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
March 27 2011 00:04 GMT
#81
yeah I definitely refuse to believe foreigners have closed the gap in skill level
ive seen MVP vs Adel and Genius vs qxc so far, and MVP played as if he did not prepare at all. and i hate to say it, but i felt the lag was a deciding factor in Adel's win.
qxc completely outplayed Genius though, I am now a fan of John Lennon
Dizz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States17 Posts
March 27 2011 00:05 GMT
#82
So you want the casters to ignore the elephant in the room? (the fact that Koreans own everyone else historically in SC). I thought you said you admired Chill for telling it like it is. Frankly, it is a big deal.
eoLithic
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway221 Posts
March 27 2011 00:06 GMT
#83
On March 27 2011 09:01 dAPhREAk wrote:
what is wrong with the casters creating a rivalry between koreans and foreigners? it makes it more enjoyable and intense even though the players themselves may not think of it as a rivalry. its not like they were completely biased in favor of foreigners. a lot of korean players are hyped a lot and people want to see them play. also, there is a korean stream for TSL. are you saying that they shouldn't hype for korean players? seems a little ridiculous to me. just reporting whats happening on the stream is kinda boring. hype the players, create some rivalries and make the streams entertaining.


To some extend, jesus.

I accept some hype, but when it turns the entire game into a huge story about foreigners finally equalling the koreans, it needs to be toned down.
"You`re a pro or you`re a noob...that`s life"
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 27 2011 00:06 GMT
#84
On March 27 2011 09:04 Nayl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 09:01 dAPhREAk wrote:
what is wrong with the casters creating a rivalry between koreans and foreigners? it makes it more enjoyable and intense even though the players themselves may not think of it as a rivalry. its not like they were completely biased in favor of foreigners. a lot of korean players are hyped a lot and people want to see them play. also, there is a korean stream for TSL. are you saying that they shouldn't hype for korean players? seems a little ridiculous to me. just reporting whats happening on the stream is kinda boring. hype the players, create some rivalries and make the streams entertaining.


Because it makes Korean viewers irritated when watching TSL. (as well as people like OP) It's not just watched by people in NA/EU.


aside from the obvious answer that there is also a korean stream, i didnt see the casting as "biased." they were obviously foreigner fanboys, but its not like they focused specifically on the foreigners' good points and ignored the koreans' good points. the foreigners played well, the casters talked about that, the casters were excited, the games were exciting.
eoLithic
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway221 Posts
March 27 2011 00:07 GMT
#85
On March 27 2011 09:05 Dizz wrote:
So you want the casters to ignore the elephant in the room? (the fact that Koreans own everyone else historically in SC). I thought you said you admired Chill for telling it like it is. Frankly, it is a big deal.


I have not mentioned anything about completly ignoring the fact that there is a story behind the two scenes, have I?

Tonight though, it made the casting from Chills side, abit unproffesional.
"You`re a pro or you`re a noob...that`s life"
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
March 27 2011 00:08 GMT
#86
if anything, the foreigners today won as a result of much better preparation, which never happened in BW due to Koreans having a much higher work ethic and due to them taking WCG as a matter of national pride
NuclearWINtr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States125 Posts
March 27 2011 00:09 GMT
#87
The core thing the Koreans lost to were styles of play they were unfamiliar with in addition to them not knowing that much about their opponents.
In the end the Korean players are still better than who they lost to, except genius because i don't know much about him, as was evident in MVP's micro almost winning when he was clearly disadvantaged.
So while foreigners are getting better that is not the primary reason MVP and Nestea lost.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 27 2011 00:09 GMT
#88
On March 27 2011 09:06 eoLithic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 09:01 dAPhREAk wrote:
what is wrong with the casters creating a rivalry between koreans and foreigners? it makes it more enjoyable and intense even though the players themselves may not think of it as a rivalry. its not like they were completely biased in favor of foreigners. a lot of korean players are hyped a lot and people want to see them play. also, there is a korean stream for TSL. are you saying that they shouldn't hype for korean players? seems a little ridiculous to me. just reporting whats happening on the stream is kinda boring. hype the players, create some rivalries and make the streams entertaining.


To some extend, jesus.

I accept some hype, but when it turns the entire game into a huge story about foreigners finally equalling the koreans, it needs to be toned down.


well, koreans have dominated the sc1 scene for the last decade. foreigners appear to finally have a shot at equal footing (although one tournament with latency issues won't really determine that). the casters and probably 95% of tl.net are rooting for the underdog foreigners. the casters cater to their audience, not to the few people who would prefer what you are suggesting.

also, i don't see why everyone see them as so "biased."
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
March 27 2011 00:14 GMT
#89
I personally felt the commentary was pretty good, only being better with day9, djwheat or artosis instead of husky.

I don't know how bad the lag was for the koreans, but ignoring that, I'd feel it was a bit silly if the commentators would be making excuses for the koreans for loosing. "ohh goody did play ok, though clearly he's the worse player because you can see nestea lagging there", I mean it'd be silly to say, even if true.
universalwill
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States654 Posts
March 27 2011 00:15 GMT
#90
they were excited that we can finally be looked upon in the same light as koreans. the more they ham it up, the more respect it implies. if they're so excited that you find they're being unfairly biased, it just goes to show what enormous respect they have for korean players.
aFganFlyTrap
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia212 Posts
March 27 2011 00:16 GMT
#91
On March 27 2011 08:16 Tyree wrote:
Why is there always 5-6 topics after every TSL/GSL about something that is "wrong?"

Why do we always get stuff like this:

"Forcefields, biggest problem in PvZ?"
"SC2 will die unless Stim is fixed?"
"Chill, trying to start a all out war between Foreigners vs Koreans?"
"Mech, wrong way to play the game?"
"Day9 coughed during casting, death of E-Sports?"
"Top 10 reasons why SOTG will destroy SC2 and TL.net"

etc etc

All these topics seem to me to be trying to create drama out of thin air, is it sophisticated trolling or just people nitpicking at everything?



i couldnt agree more. it seems people are not thinking before making a thread and just making pointless drama.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
March 27 2011 00:16 GMT
#92
I don't mind some casting bias, such as when Artosis and Tasteless root for Clide or Jinro. However, I do share the same feeling as the OP regarding Chill's over emphasis regarding foreigners catching up to the Koreans. I don't think Chill mentioned once regarding the latency at all. For example, in the second game between MVP and Adelscott, MVP got his marine and reaper killed by a probe surround. It was obvious that it was due to latency, but Chill ignored it and blamed MVP and lauded the skills of adelscott.

Though I do understand where Chill is coming from. The koreans have been owning us in Broodwar, so it's heartwarming how foreigners showing results in starcraft 2.

On the other hand, I thought Husky was very professional. He's been doing a great job!
Don't mind me
eoLithic
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway221 Posts
March 27 2011 00:18 GMT
#93
On March 27 2011 09:16 aFganFlyTrap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 08:16 Tyree wrote:
Why is there always 5-6 topics after every TSL/GSL about something that is "wrong?"

Why do we always get stuff like this:

"Forcefields, biggest problem in PvZ?"
"SC2 will die unless Stim is fixed?"
"Chill, trying to start a all out war between Foreigners vs Koreans?"
"Mech, wrong way to play the game?"
"Day9 coughed during casting, death of E-Sports?"
"Top 10 reasons why SOTG will destroy SC2 and TL.net"

etc etc

All these topics seem to me to be trying to create drama out of thin air, is it sophisticated trolling or just people nitpicking at everything?



i couldnt agree more. it seems people are not thinking before making a thread and just making pointless drama.


Was it me or Chill, that made pointless drama tonight?

This is an issue that I think needs to be adressed. One liners like your reply doesn`t add up to anything in this thread. Why accusing someone of trolling, when just stating their opinions?

Keep it focused on the topic and not on what you think I am trying to do.
"You`re a pro or you`re a noob...that`s life"
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
March 27 2011 00:18 GMT
#94
Well it you look at a lot of the player's performance in the GSL, Fruitdealer, Boxer, and MvP, it has not been all that great recently. They got invited because of performance in the past of in the case of Boxer and possibly Nada, because of their history back in 2000-2004
Zeiryuu
Profile Joined March 2010
Philippines231 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 00:20:21
March 27 2011 00:18 GMT
#95
The OP said it, he "is not offended by the commentating". The casters are just happy or surprised that skill gap between koreans and foreigners have closed up. At least that's what the casters think. And I think they were doing a great job of COMMENTATING the games.
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
March 27 2011 00:21 GMT
#96
I agree it was quite unproffesional casters should set aside their biases at least until after the match is over and just cast the game as is, i love chill as a commentator and he did fine in the other games he casted last weekend but today seemed like overkill.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Zeroseraph
Profile Joined March 2011
United States27 Posts
March 27 2011 00:22 GMT
#97
Imo everyones putting the korean players on a pedestal and are not really giving credit where it due because the koreans owned in sc1. Most if not all of the foreign players would have practiced their asses off just to make sure they where at the peak of their game for tsl. Now it shows how much practice they had when these upset occur. Mvp lost due to facing a build he was not use to playing against and even then he had almost won just because his micro was better but adel heavy gateway build is not seen very often and he showed how powerful it can be. Now for genius he was straight outplayed by qxc. Now as for the commentating lol i found it fun. It made me pay attention much more to the matches since tsl3 has turned the supposed korean dominance upside down just shows that although they still may be ahead in skill lvl everyone else is catching up fast and then none of the korean/foreigner crap won't matter.
phoney
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore16 Posts
March 27 2011 00:23 GMT
#98
The Koreans start playing their matches at 3.00AM or later so I'm wondering if that would have make any sort of difference to their game-play.
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
March 27 2011 00:24 GMT
#99
I don't understand how this is unprofessional. One of the biggest draws of the TSL3 is that it's the best Korean players against the best foreigners. How is pointing this out during your casts unprofessional?
silentsaint
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany540 Posts
March 27 2011 00:24 GMT
#100
It's pretty much like that in every sport if the underdog is winning.
Just imagine the first time that Japan did not win the gold medal in judo.
It was a really big deal and pretty much the closing of the skill gap was the main topic that followed the poor winner the next months.
It really tied the room together.
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