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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
For the FIRST time, we see foreigners successfully competing with Koreans, something that has not happened since 2001, and you expect that to NOT be the key topic of discussion? These games were bigger than the games themselves, they expanded on the tapestry of E-sports and starcraft history enormously, and you expected them to not flip out over that? I feel like I'm missing why any of that is a bad thing. | ||
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byce
United States98 Posts
I'm not sure why you wrote such a long, dramatic post full of exaggerations about this. I guess it's cool that people have such high expectations for everything StarCraft related that they expect every word Chill says to be exactly what they imagined. I guess it just means people really love StarCraft... I guess? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 27 2011 09:55 eoLithic wrote: He is not offending TL or Chill for that matter. He is stating his opinion in a thread so that we may have an open discussion. You sir, are not contributing in any way way, shape or form to this thread. Keep to the topic. thanks for the laugh. calling someone unprofessional is offensive. especially considering all the time they have dedicated to the scene, and so little people who have insulted them have contributed. i have stated my opinions on the thread. just because you disagree does not mean i am not contributing in any "way, shape or form." lol. | ||
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nart
97 Posts
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
On March 27 2011 10:05 Kimaker wrote: For the FIRST time, we see foreigners successfully competing with Koreans... What about Jinro and Idra in past GSLs? On March 27 2011 10:07 dAPhREAk wrote: ... calling someone unprofessional is offensive... Calling someone unprofessional need not necessarily be offensive. After all, what if someone actually is unprofessional? | ||
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eoLithic
Norway221 Posts
On March 27 2011 10:07 dAPhREAk wrote: thanks for the laugh. calling someone unprofessional is offensive. especially considering all the time they have dedicated to the scene, and so little people who have insulted them have contributed. i have stated my opinions on the thread. just because you disagree does not mean i am not contributing in any "way, shape or form." lol. Chill is a fucking awesome guy and commentator, BUT...(b.u.t) tonight I feel that he came off abit unproffesional. Giving critisicm to someone is actually an attempt to help. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
Two in a group of 60 doesn't count. It is a big deal. This is in my opinion, the most revolutionary tournament of all time in SC2 | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
Couldn't really count that as the whole foreigner scene being on parity with the Koreans since: A) They were over in Korea, under a Korean regiment. B) Two players, who we know are already good, could be an aberration. It's more about the two scenes, as opposed to the specific players. No one has ever claimed it's impossible for a foreigner to win, just that the foreigner scene was not as conducive to producing powerful players. Also, go look at BW history, and tell me otherwise. If you've followed long enough, you'll understand the significance of this. Only time I freaked out more was when White-ra beat Boxer at ISL (was it? or IEM? O_o?) | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:07 rysecake wrote: They said something along the lines of "foreigners really showing they can compete with the koreans now" every 5 minutes or so. Doesn't really bother me as I know it's false but whatever. how is that false? You cannot take away from them.... They won there games clearly they can compete... look at code s and GSL and the foreigners that have represented there.... Now look at broodwar...... Yea.. i would say it is alot better now | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 27 2011 10:10 eoLithic wrote: Chill is a fucking awesome guy and commentator, BUT...(b.u.t) tonight I feel that he came off abit unproffesional. Giving critisicm to someone is actually an attempt to help. there is constructive criticism and then there is just insulting other people. i wasn't referring to your post anyways. i was referring to the other guy's. not sure why you responded. also, saying someone is awesome but unprofessional, doesnt exactly warm the heart, does it? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 27 2011 10:09 BasilPesto wrote: What about Jinro and Idra in past GSLs? Calling someone unprofessional need not necessarily be offensive. After all, what if someone actually is unprofessional? calling an idiot "idiot" is still offensive whether it is true or not. whats your point? | ||
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
I would think that's highly overlooking Idra and Jinro's talents and achievements then. It's like "Yeah, you're a foreigner, but you could just be a fluke, so we'll dismiss you two." On March 27 2011 10:13 Kimaker wrote: Couldn't really count that as the whole foreigner scene being on parity with the Koreans since: A) They were over in Korea, under a Korean regiment. B) Two players, who we know are already good, could be an aberration. It's more about the two scenes, as opposed to the specific players. No one has ever claimed it's impossible for a foreigner to win, just that the foreigner scene was not as conducive to producing powerful players. Also, go look at BW history, and tell me otherwise. If you've followed long enough, you'll understand the significance of this. Only time I freaked out more was when White-ra beat Boxer at ISL (was it? or IEM? O_o?) You never mentioned "foreigner scene", you said "For the FIRST time, we see foreigners succesfully competing with Koreans". Going by that, and given that Jinro and Idra are "foreigners", I'd say your statement was incorrect. As for them two being "aberrations", again, that's highly dismissive of their consistently high talent/skill and achievements. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
I got a few of my friends to watch the TSL cast today, none of which had ever watched any casts before, and one of whom isn't really even interested in gaming. Without the excitement of the commentators and the David vs Goliath type feel of it, i have no doubt that they wouldn't care to watch anymore. But guess what? They'll all be watching tommorow, too. If you're a fan of eSports you'll want more casts like that. | ||
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Karpify
United States20 Posts
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
On March 27 2011 10:19 dAPhREAk wrote: calling an idiot "idiot" is still offensive whether it is true or not. whats your point? Well, I can see what your point is. You're saying that because feelings can get hurt, we should refrain from all criticism, whether someone is "unprofessional", "immoral", "incomphensible", etc. Because afterall, said person puts in a lot of time and dedication, so they should be protected at all costs. My point is that criticism can be fair game. I'm not even sure how valid the criticism is in this case, but the OP has approached it reasonably--it's not a blatant troll, is it? | ||
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aFganFlyTrap
Australia212 Posts
On March 27 2011 09:18 eoLithic wrote: Was it me or Chill, that made pointless drama tonight? This is an issue that I think needs to be adressed. One liners like your reply doesn`t add up to anything in this thread. Why accusing someone of trolling, when just stating their opinions? Keep it focused on the topic and not on what you think I am trying to do. i did not call you a troll at all. I also dont have to write a ridiculous wall of text to get my point accross either. this entire thread is incredibly presumptious with a tinge of hubris. the TSL cast today was neither controversial nor unprofessional. next melodramatic thread please! | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 27 2011 10:23 BasilPesto wrote: Well, I can see what your point is. You're saying that because feelings can get hurt, we should refrain from all criticism, whether someone is "unprofessional", "immoral", "incomphensible", etc. Because afterall, said person puts in a lot of time and dedication, so they should be protected at all costs. My point is that criticism can be fair game. I'm not even sure how valid the criticism is in this case, but the OP has approached it reasonably--it's not an obvious troll, is it? the only point i was trying to make was that tl.net, chill, husky and a multitude of other people have contributed a lot of time and sweat into making the TSL. months have been dedicated to it. and then, in a post that took exactly 15 seconds, a poster insulted them by referring to them as unprofessional (i wasnt referring to the op if you look at my quote), which by any stretch of the imagination they were not. one of the things that lacks in some of these forums is respect. you can criticize what they do, but dont resort to name calling, especially calling them unprofessional when they have done a lot to make this one of the BEST tournaments in the foreign scene. | ||
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SONE
Canada839 Posts
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
A great example is when Team USA plays any other team in basketball. The major story that keeps being repeated is how USA shouldn't be losing to anyone, and every loss is magnified by that fact. It makes every game exciting, even though it's a fact that the world is catching up to the USA in ball. Another example is USA hockey team beating Russia (Soviet Union at the time) in the Olympics 3 decades ago. That story is constantly brought up in American sports because it was one of the biggest stories ever. I don't understand your criticism at all because this kind of commentating is a staple and even a backbone of all international sports. I could go on all day listing examples... | ||
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