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AtlasMech
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 17:07:10
March 10 2011 17:04 GMT
#1
"I'm closing this thread because you're posting Blizzard's legally protected thought-content. If you knew they didn't want us to know this, why are you telling us? You're going to get this whole site in trouble." -BroOd

Well brood, I don't even know if blizzard knows. I was just releasing some negative feeling as I have every right to do so.

My final opinion though is a possibility of two things which are related to my last two threads.

Either the hatchery was suppose to yield 2 control, (which you can read about in my "why does the cc yield 10 control thread?) - Closed Threads Section page 2

Or the overlord was suppose to be as fast as a worker.

This is, and always has been at the very root cause of zerg's difficulties. What this problem does is it causes people to go looking elsewhere, pointing the finger at a number of other assumed zerg problems which leads to a relentless spiral of stat balancing which has gone out of control.

Zerg is flawed in the sense that the required perfection of play due to its mechanics requires that either

A.) The overlord be as fast as a worker from the start

or

B.) the hatchery should shield 2 control, not 1.

With out one of these things, the greatest imbalance in the game still remains there.



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Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9530 Posts
March 10 2011 17:06 GMT
#2
Dude, you're gonna bring TL down!
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
March 10 2011 17:08 GMT
#3
What? I can't follow your post even one bit.
Bisu... ;-(
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United States10328 Posts
March 10 2011 17:08 GMT
#4
oh no the British blizzards are coming
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distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
March 10 2011 17:08 GMT
#5
exercise your right to express your negative feeling somewhere else. all the whining is making people puke.
This is my truth, tell me yours!
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 17:16:12
March 10 2011 17:08 GMT
#6
oh he is trolling.

lets get real for a second though. imagine how strong an Atlas Mech would be?shit could hold like 100 worlds

edit: to answer the greatest imbalance in the game: u want zerg to have unlimited speedy dropships after lair and 1 upgrade? if that were to happen I propose overlords start with half drop capacity and are incapable of dropping lurker/ultra until a upgrade from hive (let's call it Sac Strength). So OLs can only drop 4 ling/2 hydra and 0 lurker Sac Strength comes from hive then they return to the way they are.

2 control for a hatchery? meh bring it bug race
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awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 17:14:13
March 10 2011 17:10 GMT
#7
I finally see an imbalance thread about BW
Although I think zergs are doing fine without either of those suggestions

Edit: It seems to me that you seem to have a lot of thoughts about zerg design which keep getting shot down. Please either switch races or actually play the game
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 17:15:17
March 10 2011 17:12 GMT
#8
Dude. Can I ask you to stop revolutionizing ZvX matchups? Otherwise there will be no zergs in D or D- level. Even I can get to D+ with your advices.

On March 11 2011 02:10 awu25 wrote:
I finally see an imbalance thread about BW
Although I think zergs are doing fine without either of those suggestions

4 of the power rankers are zerg. I guess they are doing fine anyway.

On March 11 2011 02:10 awu25 wrote:
Edit: It seems to me that you seem to have a lot of thoughts about zerg design which keep getting shot down. Please either switch races or actually play the game

Watching proleague games even cut it. Playing is optional.
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Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-10 17:17:42
March 10 2011 17:14 GMT
#9
On March 11 2011 02:10 awu25 wrote:
I finally see an imbalance thread about BW
Although I think zergs are doing fine without either of those suggestions


He's trolling so it's not a legit imba thread. Check his post history.

Time to guess which mod will close this one :D

Also, +1 to turning this into a discussion about Atlas Mechs. I wonder how it would balance 100 worlds on its shoulders.
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
March 10 2011 17:32 GMT
#10
Honestly, I don't even understand what problems you're trying to address in this or your other post. I mean, are you arguing that we need to fundamentally change BW 12 years later? Micro better, scout better, and stop looking for excuses like this. Also, if you have a message for me, use the PM system. Don't make a new thread to discuss a closed topic.
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