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So there was a clan war and a lot of players felt like this Protoss player was ghosting the stream or getting Vent feeds while he was playing. The main thing that looked suspicious is at the 11 minute mark of the random ForceField and go to 18 minutes to see stalkers being warped in to counter a drop that was not scouted.. What do you guys think? In my opinion, he was cheating and should be banned from TLO.
Toss player's profile (I couldn't find his character code but that's his profile below)
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/804902/1/FreshShock/
http://sc2ranks.com/us/804902/FreshShock
Link to Replay
http://www.judicatoraldaris.com/index.php?site=files&file=27
Here is the caster/streamer of the event. Scroll to 40 minutes if you want to watch the game on his stream. It's best to watch the replay from his POV if you want to catch him in the act.
http://www.justin.tv/infestedmrt/b/280564910
Edit: Clan war was canceled after this game.
Edit2: Go to time 18:14 to see a suspicious stalker warpin.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Well the fact is...it's your opinion.
The streams are 10-20 seconds delayed. I am part of clan CNB and I know for a fact we did not have any kinds of ghosting or that sort.
CNB clan has integrity when it comes to that kind of problems, and it was frustrating how Team Ja
repeatedly brings up this kind of petty nonsense halfway through a clan war. The score was 3-0
with clan CNB in the lead.
I have played FreshShock many times, and I can assure you that he had no kinds of advantages throughout the entire game. It's by his own practice and his insights for the game.
If you refer back to starcraft broodwar, a progamer named Flash, doesnt even scout at all, but knows whats going on in the game. Many gamers can do this, and I'm almost positive that players in Team JA can do it as well. I'm not saying FreshShock is Flash, but its the same type of intuition that one can develop.
The only thing that bothers me about that clan war is that they said that they didn't take the clan war seriously, but they continue to complain about that game, and watching the replay like a million times. Their mouth is different from their actions.
It's only natural for people to attribute all their achievements to skills, and blame their failures to external causes. I don't see why they can't blame their lack of skills for their failure ):
In the end, we know that we didn't use anything to give ourselves an advantage, and also that we were winning 3-0 until it was canceled, what does that show about you Team JA?
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Ghosting is through the stream is only one way a player can cheat. He could get whispers from spectators or he could be on vent getting feedback, both of which offer no delay.
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Looking at the replay, it definitly looks suspicious, the forcefield was 100% blind and he never made a wrong move, even with the pylon to go over the backdoor rocks. its very suspicious that he never made a wrong move,
Even pros make mistakes.
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I don't know much about team jA, but CNB sure didn't give my team any trouble at all when they played us.
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Canada13389 Posts
Do we really need to bring these kinds of petty arguments into the TL forums? I mean really? So what if the Protoss was using FF to contain and god forbid he gets lucky warping in a unit on the low ground. How else was P supposed to check if Terran was escaping through the back rocks? How does protoss have time to build apylon and warp in a stalker in time to catch a supply depot half done.
There argument over, it was a forcefield contain and luck/good scouting.
Lets keep these stupid childish fights out of TL tournament thread please?
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I think it looks really suspicious after watching the replay a few times, and I know Bioormech isn't the kind of guy who would blindly call hacks unless he was really sure about it.
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On February 28 2011 14:20 ckic04 wrote:
If you refer back to starcraft broodwar, a progamer named Flash, doesnt even scout at all, but knows whats going on in the game
I know this is off-topic, but this is a complete lie. I remember Flash saying something along the lines of "I only scout to know the position of the opponent, I don't even go into the main" but if you watch his games he's a complete liar (i.e. he scouts a lot). You're right though, Flash does have an amazing game sense so half the time he doesn't need to scout for certain things because he just knows what's happening.
(Sorry for OT).
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@Warrice
Pros do make mistakes, the terran player made mistakes, and thats what caused his loss. Not some underlying external condition.
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On February 28 2011 14:29 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 14:20 ckic04 wrote:
If you refer back to starcraft broodwar, a progamer named Flash, doesnt even scout at all, but knows whats going on in the game I know this is off-topic, but this is a complete lie. I remember Flash saying something along the lines of "I only scout to know the position of the opponent, I don't even go into the main" but if you watch his games he's a complete liar (i.e. he scouts a lot). You're right though, Flash does have an amazing game sense so half the time he doesn't need to scout for certain things because he just knows what's happening. (Sorry for OT).
In one interview he said he didnt scout because he didnt want to waste time not mining minerals.
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seems fairly baseless to be honest. if one suspicious forcefield and a random caster whining about how the event should be canceled is all you have then .... the pylon at the backrocks is not questionable at all. seemed obvious to me that terran would try to expand there - if he didnt it was an auto win for the protoss.
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That FF can't ever be happenning by ghosting or ingame chat
so that means if he's cheating, he's on map hack
Report Freshock, let's see he get banned or not
if his acc blocked, i will say sorry, but not now.
Other than you proving he's maphacking, your hypo. is rediculous and dumb
These guys should be banned from Teamliquid worst trolls in NA server. This kinda BM during clan war are not allowed
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The pylon at the top is believable since he scouted the command center earlier when he attacked.
The blind forcefields though...that doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's only one suspicious event though, so I couldn't really say yay or nay.
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I think the forcefield used at 11min mark was used to scare you off and trick you. By showing that he is wasting forcefields you might come out to kill that army. But if you do that you would fall for his trick and might lose 12o'clock expansion. Those forcefields are just good sense from Freshshock. Even if he was getting some sort of whsiper or people venting him, there was no reason why he should have ffed your ramp. If he was really cheating, he would not ff at that moment.
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On February 28 2011 14:36 Baby_Seal wrote:
The pylon at the top is believable since he scouted the command center earlier when he attacked.
The blind forcefields though...that doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's only one suspicious event though, so I couldn't really say yay or nay.
I blind forcefield sometimes at the ramp is because I lose often from careless of controlling my opponents choke and he stims out with marine and marauders. If you saw the game I was late on having an observer so I didn't know what he had up there. By blindly forcefielding I can let my opponent know I'm watching the area and it actually gives me time to look at other screen while I'm doing that.
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Seems to me like you guys were looking for an excuse to blow off the clan war since you were getting wrecked really; for you to kick up a fuss like this over something not really suspicious is kind of sad.
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Australia8532 Posts
Kind of strange to think that this was maphacks.. Unique builds and good gamesense .. plus you guys going down 0-3 = accuse guy of cheating?
Go through the official channels - what are you going to accomplish on this thread? The TL community aren't going to get his account banned.. So i am a bit confused about what this thread will accomplish?
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Anyway this is Clan Master of CnB (we are from NA korean community site www.playxp.com)
for the clan battle arrangement pst milfhunter. 422
we don't QQ and trolling even if we losing 5 to nothing.
Let's have fun other than treating these piece shit trolls
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Canada4481 Posts
Seemed legit, the toss had complete map control and saw the extra CC so its only obvious to check the one remaining unscouted expo at 12.
Even if toss was ghosting/map hacking, there didn't seem to be any benefit to him for randomly forcefielding the ramp at 11min. He didn't get any kills off that except spend the energy to force field.
The 2 gate push looked pretty scary, just because someone does an unorthodox build does not mean they're cheating. Play styles between regions are very different, so if he learned something from Korean servers that's not frequently used on NA, then all the better for him.
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hmm didnt see much evidence for he was cheating, it would make sense that the terran would expand there since he had a good contain, The Protoss outplayed the terran, plain and simple. The FF is random, but it did nothing really to benefit the toss.
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"I don't care about you and your nobody clan, clan war is cancelled" -TeamJA
losing 3-0 to a nobody clan, that's gold eh. seems like JA is pretty trash from what I read. should apologize imo.
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On February 28 2011 14:39 nullmind wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 14:36 Baby_Seal wrote:
The pylon at the top is believable since he scouted the command center earlier when he attacked.
The blind forcefields though...that doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's only one suspicious event though, so I couldn't really say yay or nay. I blind forcefield sometimes at the ramp is because I lose often from careless of controlling my opponents choke and he stims out with marine and marauders. If you saw the game I was late on having an observer so I didn't know what he had up there. By blindly forcefielding I can let my opponent know I'm watching the area and it actually gives me time to look at other screen while I'm doing that.
This post and the blog seems pretty reasonable to me. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say he wasn't cheating.
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On February 28 2011 14:52 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 14:39 nullmind wrote:On February 28 2011 14:36 Baby_Seal wrote:
The pylon at the top is believable since he scouted the command center earlier when he attacked.
The blind forcefields though...that doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's only one suspicious event though, so I couldn't really say yay or nay. I blind forcefield sometimes at the ramp is because I lose often from careless of controlling my opponents choke and he stims out with marine and marauders. If you saw the game I was late on having an observer so I didn't know what he had up there. By blindly forcefielding I can let my opponent know I'm watching the area and it actually gives me time to look at other screen while I'm doing that. This post and the blog seems pretty reasonable to me. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say he wasn't cheating.
Thanks, I am willing to explain ANY suspicious action that anyone in Team JA or anyone here has a question about.
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Well from watching the VoD, it looked like there were several random forcefields, so you can't really call one out for being suspicious after there were a bunch that did nothing imo.
Also the 12 expo was a logical place to look since he saw the cc and was camping the natural, if nothing else a two-pronged attack would have been good too.
Not really enough evidence to call hacking here I don't think.
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lol forcefielding a ramp blind means hacks?
It couldn't *possibly* mean that the Protoss wanted to make sure that he wasn't caught off guard by a counterattack or anything, huh?
I watched it and it doesn't seem suspicious at all. The commentator seemed amused and confused by it, but he wasn't even looking at the forcefield when it went down so he had no idea why it was placed anyway.
As a Protoss, I'll forcefield ramps on occasion when I'm by an opponent's base. I just don't want to be caught off guard by a stimmed bio ball or a ling surround.
And the fact that you guys were apparently getting owned just makes this look like an act of desperation on your part.
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His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.
The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.
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On February 28 2011 14:48 milfhunter85 wrote:Anyway this is Clan Master of CnB (we are from NA korean community site www.playxp.com) for the clan battle arrangement pst milfhunter. 422 we don't QQ and trolling even if we losing 5 to nothing. Let's have fun other than treating these piece shit trolls
Whoa there, slow down.
I do, however, agree with your team on this one. It seems to me from teh replay that the other team did this because they were getting their rear ends handed to them by a "nobody clan" and decided to claim hax on someone who seemed to have a better game sense than most members of their clan.
In the game vs. BioOrMech, he claims maphack because he expanded to 12 o' clock on Shakuras and was caught, and claims that he was never before caught doing that. However, Freshshock saw the CC earlier, and saw no natural expo, so assumed correcly that it went behind the rocks to the 12 o'clock. As a platinum player, this is what I would immediately assume as well, yet, I am evidently cheating, am I not?
Team JA should stop trying to blame maphack for 3 lost games in one clan war, and start trying to improve gamesense, or manners for that matter.
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On February 28 2011 14:26 SuperBigFoot wrote:
Ghosting is through the stream is only one way a player can cheat. He could get whispers from spectators or he could be on vent getting feedback, both of which offer no delay.
yes Team JA was getting feedback from specs and still losing!????
3 loses in a row made kids mad
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On February 28 2011 14:34 ckic04 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 14:29 Jimmeh wrote:On February 28 2011 14:20 ckic04 wrote:
If you refer back to starcraft broodwar, a progamer named Flash, doesnt even scout at all, but knows whats going on in the game I know this is off-topic, but this is a complete lie. I remember Flash saying something along the lines of "I only scout to know the position of the opponent, I don't even go into the main" but if you watch his games he's a complete liar (i.e. he scouts a lot). You're right though, Flash does have an amazing game sense so half the time he doesn't need to scout for certain things because he just knows what's happening. (Sorry for OT). In one interview he said he didnt scout because he didnt want to waste time not mining minerals.
Yeah I remember, but then I paid careful attention the next few games ("Flash doesn't scout?! What the crap...") and he scouted like every other player.
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Watched the replay. Watched replays from Freeshock as well. There's no maphacks going on here, and probably no ghosting. Blindly forcefielding a ramp doesn't mean you have insider info into what your opponent is doing; it could have easily been a waste of sentry energy. It's a calculated risk, and it paid off. You guys got kicked pretty hard. Deal with it, and don't call out hax when you're losing; that just makes you look immature.
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On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.
The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.
WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it.
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Woah chillax bro. I'm sorry, but nobody is going to have sympathy for you when you were down 0-3 in an essentially meaningless clan war. What did you hope to gain by bringing it in front of TL? Prize money? The evidence is hardly conclusive in either direction, and the most suspicious thing about this whole affair isn't the alleged cheating but the fact that you brought it up only after you were losing badly.
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On February 28 2011 15:10 SuperBigFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.
The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think. WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it.
no. just stop and apologize roflmao.
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Hacking or not, that really shouldn't be your clan's call nor your ultimate decision.
What you did was purely immature and uncalled for and deter healthy competition and narrow-mindedness and shameful pride.
I suggest that if he was hacking, you either A. Bring it to a higher authority, B. Confront the clan and consider all possibility C. Manner up and D. Delay the results.
Blatantly canceling a Clan War under alleged pretenses isn't going to win you much credibility.
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On February 28 2011 15:13 Torte de Lini wrote:
Hacking or not, that really shouldn't be your clan's call nor your ultimate decision.
What you did was purely immature and uncalled for and deter healthy competition and narrow-mindedness and shameful pride.
I suggest that if he was hacking, you either A. Bring it to a higher authority, B. Confront the clan and consider all possibility C. Manner up and D. Delay the results.
Blatantly canceling a Clan War under alleged pretenses isn't going to win you much credibility.
I would have liked to sent the report through the proper channels but as far as I can tell, there's no way to report other then making a tread on TL.
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Was this to redeem Team JA? Because... you really shot yourself in the foot here. Might be time to change your clan name from the way you reacted to this.
Edit: btw... when he warped in the stalkers, he started to move them away from the dropship and didn't even notice until you could hear dropship dropping.
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well in my oppnnion ffing in that situation is very common and since he had like 4~5 sentries its okay to cast them until observer arrives. That move really didnt look suspicious but making stalker at 12 seemed really suspicious. could be scout purpose who knows.
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Wow I didn't know. NaDa must be a hacker too when he doesn't scout and hits sick timings by pure game sense.
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On February 28 2011 15:13 CanucksJC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 15:10 SuperBigFoot wrote:On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.
The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think. WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it. no. just stop and apologize roflmao.
He's right, stop being an idiot and apologize
You're saying we should ban him because of your suspicions that he's maphacking/ghosting/etc.?
You don't even have the proper proof and you're asking to ban an innocent and more skillful player
Just apologize and end this
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You need to apologize to this man. He outplayed your entire team, and you guys threw a hissy fit and pointed fingers. If you can't accept a loss, don't play a clan war.
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I can't believe I wasted my time looking at that replay. From the sound and appearance of it, team Ja is incredibly bad mannered and immature. An apology really should be issued to FreshShock.
Also, the route to take on this is not opening some trash thread to call for a ban on a player. There's a hacker thread already here on TL. Use the search function.
Then get your head out of your ass and apologize.
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On February 28 2011 15:10 SuperBigFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.
The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think. WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it.
While I find it amusing that your tunnel vision seems to allow you to ignore every post in the thread vindicating the guy in favor of the ones that could almost be construed as maybe not hurting your pretty frail argument, it's hugely disrespectful. I'd never heard of your clan before this thread came up, but my initial opinion of it is pretty low.
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On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.
The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.
It looks weird to me too but when the Protoss left the Terran base about half a minute ago there was a medivac in the red, and when the P re-entered the T base to finish the game, the medivac was gone... so it might be possible that he spotted this and expected a drop to come?
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On February 28 2011 15:16 Abstinence wrote:
Wow I didn't know. NaDa must be a hacker too when he doesn't scout and hits sick timings by pure game sense.
Pure game sense? There's very little evidence he actually cheated but calling anything he did "game sense" is ridiculous, it was blindly done and extremely lucky. Someone like Nada has game sense based on what he expects to be optimal/intelligent/risky decisions from his opponents at optimal timings not random spur of the moment nonsensical guesses. If there's any evidence of cheating here (there isn't) it would be the fact he floated to 1500 minerals on 2 base (which is pretty inexcusable) suggesting that he was occupied with other things (like talking on vent).
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This thread is getting completely out of hand. It is unjust to call him out on maphacking and or ghosting without sufficient evidence. As many people have pointed out, the 12 o clock can't be a surprise as he saw the CC, and what else would you do other than scout it (that is seeing nothing @ the nat and Toss having map control as well). 2 Gate pressure > expand is a korean build nothing wrong with it at all.
Force fielding a ramp randomly seemed a little suspicious as the marine just started moving, but then you have to notice the 2nd time he FFed right after that, which did completely nothing. I might agree on the 18:14 warp but he could've noticed 2 things,
a) a dropship was gone that he let live,
b) the amount of marauders decreased, meaning possibly a counter attack
Both of these warrant enough reason to warp in your base
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I thought the SC2 Tourney forum is for tourneys not discussing if a player is cheating or not :S
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On February 28 2011 15:10 SuperBigFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.
The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think. WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it.
Yeah, because nobody could notice that severe lack of injured marauders and a lack of medivac that was just there a second ago, when he pushed into the terran base.
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On February 28 2011 15:27 Resolve wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.
The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think. It looks weird to me too but when the Protoss left the Terran base about half a minute ago there was a medivac in the red, and when the P re-entered the T base to finish the game, the medivac was gone... so it might be possible that he spotted this and expected a drop to come?
That would be a good enough reason for me to dismiss it. From the replay he is clearly the better player and since he was focus firing the medivacs down initially and had to retreat due to the mauraders I would believe he knew they had to be coming once he pushed back into the T main and they were suddenly gone.
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On February 28 2011 15:33 Iggnite wrote:
I thought the SC2 Tourney forum is for tourneys not discussing if a player is cheating or not :S
SC2 tournament forum is also for whining about people playing better than you in a tournament. Apparently.
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On February 28 2011 15:33 Iggnite wrote:
I thought the SC2 Tourney forum is for tourneys not discussing if a player is cheating or not :S
Agreed. This thread is a disgrace.
Trying to ruin a player's image after he destroyed your team and you BM'ed by quitting the Clan War early.
Incredible, first time I see something so stupid on TeamLiquid.
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On February 28 2011 14:01 SuperBigFoot wrote:
In my opinion, he was cheating and should be banned from TLO.
In my opinion, there should be some sort of action taken against the people who blame others for cheating when they're clearly not, cancel official matches and tournaments for bullshit reasons, and can't take a loss every once in a while.
But I'm not going to make a thread about it, and I'm amazed that you had the audacity to do those things to someone else.
A Protoss player used a forcefield at a chokepoint (a standard place to use one) and you accuse him of hacking. You and your clan have some nerve. There goes the reputation of you and your team.
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There is nothing suspicious about this replay at all lol. The stalkers just seems intuitive
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Watched his FPPOV fully, then rewatched the "suspicious sections" you complained about.
@11min - he just built up to 5-6 sentries outside your base at this point, knows you have a second CC. He's gotta be expecting you to bust the contain, and at this point has enough sentries to perma-FF your ramp. He actually does 2 consecutive blind FFs.
@12:00 expansion - Duh. You sat on a second CC for how long without even pressuring the contain force.
@18min mark drop - He warps stalkers in his base, walks them away for a moment, then immediately turns them around as you start dropping marauders. He seemed ready to do something else, like look around for hidden stuff on the map since you hadn't GGd yet.
Finally, you were behind from the very beginning (when he busted your ramp with the 1z5s 2 warpgate push), and never really caught up. You were pretty much gonna lose if he was playing the last 10 minutes onehanded.
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Getting 3-0 and called your opponent cheating. Seems like you just can't accept losing 3-0, better stop playing CW if you can't take defeat.
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I think this thread is great, getting more people's opinion on a matter such as this is a good way to come closer to the truth.
In this case, it also has the side benefit of completely backfiring. I'll make sure to avoid Team JA in the future. BM and whining about hax after getting their ass handed to them 3-0, then trying to vindicate their weakass excuse and leaving by assaulting another player's integrity with a thread on TL.
After watching the replay, I agree with most of the others in here - an apology from JA to the guys on CNB is in order.
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to be perfectly honest CNB is a good org.(dota wise from what ive seen) just on that I doubt they would go as far as maphack in a noname clanwar..
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On February 28 2011 15:15 dde wrote:
well in my oppnnion ffing in that situation is very common and since he had like 4~5 sentries its okay to cast them until observer arrives. That move really didnt look suspicious but making stalker at 12 seemed really suspicious. could be scout purpose who knows.
Especially considering the second observer was on its way, which ended up at the exact position of the first one. The late camera movement to the Marine early game was weird as well, especially since the probe had left the Watchtower since ~5 seconds.
Although, when it comes to cheating, you have to be absolutely positively sure. There's no gray zone.
On February 28 2011 14:39 nullmind wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 14:36 Baby_Seal wrote:
The pylon at the top is believable since he scouted the command center earlier when he attacked.
The blind forcefields though...that doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's only one suspicious event though, so I couldn't really say yay or nay. I blind forcefield sometimes at the ramp is because I lose often from careless of controlling my opponents choke and he stims out with marine and marauders. If you saw the game I was late on having an observer so I didn't know what he had up there. By blindly forcefielding I can let my opponent know I'm watching the area and it actually gives me time to look at other screen while I'm doing that.
Yes, while it gives you time to look at other screens, you still did not. You kept looking at your army the whole time.
But then again, as I said, since there's no gray zone, you are not cheating in my book. You're just very lucky 
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He just outplayed all you fools, stop crying ^^
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if you look at the replay you can tell that the toss actually had enough to break the ramp when he ffed so if he was hacking why wouldn't he move up since he can see army size. Also if its 12 minutes in and a terran opponent hasn't expanded I'd probably check every expansion and i'm only a platinum level player.
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He played well and you guys deserved the lost, he wasn't map hacking stop QQing... Accept your loss and stop trying to blame it on others.
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On February 28 2011 15:43 Candide wrote:
to be perfectly honest CNB is a good org.(dota wise from what ive seen) just on that I doubt they would go as far as maphack in a noname clanwar..
We are not the CNB team that people are thinking of. We are just one of a small korean american clan that plays on NA server. We say CNB short for Cinabro. Anyway, only reason we requested to clan war against them was because they beat our sister clan XPn two times recently and it ended up well. We thought we would give them a good challenge and have fun and this happened..
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Osaka27139 Posts
Stupid people make stupid threads. Nullmind has been here FOREVER, and has always been manner. You better bring 110% proof against him if you dare make a thread on TL.
Worthless.
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