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So there was a clan war and a lot of players felt like this Protoss player was ghosting the stream or getting Vent feeds while he was playing. The main thing that looked suspicious is at the 11 minute mark of the random ForceField and go to 18 minutes to see stalkers being warped in to counter a drop that was not scouted.. What do you guys think? In my opinion, he was cheating and should be banned from TLO.
Toss player's profile (I couldn't find his character code but that's his profile below)
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/804902/1/FreshShock/
http://sc2ranks.com/us/804902/FreshShock
Link to Replay
http://www.judicatoraldaris.com/index.php?site=files&file=27
Here is the caster/streamer of the event. Scroll to 40 minutes if you want to watch the game on his stream. It's best to watch the replay from his POV if you want to catch him in the act.
http://www.justin.tv/infestedmrt/b/280564910
Edit: Clan war was canceled after this game.
Edit2: Go to time 18:14 to see a suspicious stalker warpin.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Well the fact is...it's your opinion.
The streams are 10-20 seconds delayed. I am part of clan CNB and I know for a fact we did not have any kinds of ghosting or that sort.
CNB clan has integrity when it comes to that kind of problems, and it was frustrating how Team Ja
repeatedly brings up this kind of petty nonsense halfway through a clan war. The score was 3-0
with clan CNB in the lead.
I have played FreshShock many times, and I can assure you that he had no kinds of advantages throughout the entire game. It's by his own practice and his insights for the game.
If you refer back to starcraft broodwar, a progamer named Flash, doesnt even scout at all, but knows whats going on in the game. Many gamers can do this, and I'm almost positive that players in Team JA can do it as well. I'm not saying FreshShock is Flash, but its the same type of intuition that one can develop.
The only thing that bothers me about that clan war is that they said that they didn't take the clan war seriously, but they continue to complain about that game, and watching the replay like a million times. Their mouth is different from their actions.
It's only natural for people to attribute all their achievements to skills, and blame their failures to external causes. I don't see why they can't blame their lack of skills for their failure ):
In the end, we know that we didn't use anything to give ourselves an advantage, and also that we were winning 3-0 until it was canceled, what does that show about you Team JA?
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Ghosting is through the stream is only one way a player can cheat. He could get whispers from spectators or he could be on vent getting feedback, both of which offer no delay.
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Looking at the replay, it definitly looks suspicious, the forcefield was 100% blind and he never made a wrong move, even with the pylon to go over the backdoor rocks. its very suspicious that he never made a wrong move,
Even pros make mistakes.
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I don't know much about team jA, but CNB sure didn't give my team any trouble at all when they played us.
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Canada13410 Posts
Do we really need to bring these kinds of petty arguments into the TL forums? I mean really? So what if the Protoss was using FF to contain and god forbid he gets lucky warping in a unit on the low ground. How else was P supposed to check if Terran was escaping through the back rocks? How does protoss have time to build apylon and warp in a stalker in time to catch a supply depot half done.
There argument over, it was a forcefield contain and luck/good scouting.
Lets keep these stupid childish fights out of TL tournament thread please?
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I think it looks really suspicious after watching the replay a few times, and I know Bioormech isn't the kind of guy who would blindly call hacks unless he was really sure about it.
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On February 28 2011 14:20 ckic04 wrote:
If you refer back to starcraft broodwar, a progamer named Flash, doesnt even scout at all, but knows whats going on in the game
I know this is off-topic, but this is a complete lie. I remember Flash saying something along the lines of "I only scout to know the position of the opponent, I don't even go into the main" but if you watch his games he's a complete liar (i.e. he scouts a lot). You're right though, Flash does have an amazing game sense so half the time he doesn't need to scout for certain things because he just knows what's happening.
(Sorry for OT).
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@Warrice
Pros do make mistakes, the terran player made mistakes, and thats what caused his loss. Not some underlying external condition.
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On February 28 2011 14:29 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 14:20 ckic04 wrote:
If you refer back to starcraft broodwar, a progamer named Flash, doesnt even scout at all, but knows whats going on in the game I know this is off-topic, but this is a complete lie. I remember Flash saying something along the lines of "I only scout to know the position of the opponent, I don't even go into the main" but if you watch his games he's a complete liar (i.e. he scouts a lot). You're right though, Flash does have an amazing game sense so half the time he doesn't need to scout for certain things because he just knows what's happening. (Sorry for OT).
In one interview he said he didnt scout because he didnt want to waste time not mining minerals.
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seems fairly baseless to be honest. if one suspicious forcefield and a random caster whining about how the event should be canceled is all you have then .... the pylon at the backrocks is not questionable at all. seemed obvious to me that terran would try to expand there - if he didnt it was an auto win for the protoss.
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That FF can't ever be happenning by ghosting or ingame chat
so that means if he's cheating, he's on map hack
Report Freshock, let's see he get banned or not
if his acc blocked, i will say sorry, but not now.
Other than you proving he's maphacking, your hypo. is rediculous and dumb
These guys should be banned from Teamliquid worst trolls in NA server. This kinda BM during clan war are not allowed
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The pylon at the top is believable since he scouted the command center earlier when he attacked.
The blind forcefields though...that doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's only one suspicious event though, so I couldn't really say yay or nay.
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I think the forcefield used at 11min mark was used to scare you off and trick you. By showing that he is wasting forcefields you might come out to kill that army. But if you do that you would fall for his trick and might lose 12o'clock expansion. Those forcefields are just good sense from Freshshock. Even if he was getting some sort of whsiper or people venting him, there was no reason why he should have ffed your ramp. If he was really cheating, he would not ff at that moment.
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On February 28 2011 14:36 Baby_Seal wrote:
The pylon at the top is believable since he scouted the command center earlier when he attacked.
The blind forcefields though...that doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's only one suspicious event though, so I couldn't really say yay or nay.
I blind forcefield sometimes at the ramp is because I lose often from careless of controlling my opponents choke and he stims out with marine and marauders. If you saw the game I was late on having an observer so I didn't know what he had up there. By blindly forcefielding I can let my opponent know I'm watching the area and it actually gives me time to look at other screen while I'm doing that.
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Seems to me like you guys were looking for an excuse to blow off the clan war since you were getting wrecked really; for you to kick up a fuss like this over something not really suspicious is kind of sad.
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Australia8532 Posts
Kind of strange to think that this was maphacks.. Unique builds and good gamesense .. plus you guys going down 0-3 = accuse guy of cheating?
Go through the official channels - what are you going to accomplish on this thread? The TL community aren't going to get his account banned.. So i am a bit confused about what this thread will accomplish?
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Anyway this is Clan Master of CnB (we are from NA korean community site www.playxp.com)
for the clan battle arrangement pst milfhunter. 422
we don't QQ and trolling even if we losing 5 to nothing.
Let's have fun other than treating these piece shit trolls
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Canada4481 Posts
Seemed legit, the toss had complete map control and saw the extra CC so its only obvious to check the one remaining unscouted expo at 12.
Even if toss was ghosting/map hacking, there didn't seem to be any benefit to him for randomly forcefielding the ramp at 11min. He didn't get any kills off that except spend the energy to force field.
The 2 gate push looked pretty scary, just because someone does an unorthodox build does not mean they're cheating. Play styles between regions are very different, so if he learned something from Korean servers that's not frequently used on NA, then all the better for him.
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