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PieShopPwner
Profile Joined June 2010
United States75 Posts
February 28 2011 05:51 GMT
#21
hmm didnt see much evidence for he was cheating, it would make sense that the terran would expand there since he had a good contain, The Protoss outplayed the terran, plain and simple. The FF is random, but it did nothing really to benefit the toss.
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 05:54:22
February 28 2011 05:51 GMT
#22
"I don't care about you and your nobody clan, clan war is cancelled" -TeamJA

losing 3-0 to a nobody clan, that's gold eh. seems like JA is pretty trash from what I read. should apologize imo.
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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
February 28 2011 05:52 GMT
#23
On February 28 2011 14:39 nullmind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 14:36 Baby_Seal wrote:
The pylon at the top is believable since he scouted the command center earlier when he attacked.

The blind forcefields though...that doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's only one suspicious event though, so I couldn't really say yay or nay.


I blind forcefield sometimes at the ramp is because I lose often from careless of controlling my opponents choke and he stims out with marine and marauders. If you saw the game I was late on having an observer so I didn't know what he had up there. By blindly forcefielding I can let my opponent know I'm watching the area and it actually gives me time to look at other screen while I'm doing that.


This post and the blog seems pretty reasonable to me. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say he wasn't cheating.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
nullmind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
1303 Posts
February 28 2011 05:56 GMT
#24
On February 28 2011 14:52 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 14:39 nullmind wrote:
On February 28 2011 14:36 Baby_Seal wrote:
The pylon at the top is believable since he scouted the command center earlier when he attacked.

The blind forcefields though...that doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's only one suspicious event though, so I couldn't really say yay or nay.


I blind forcefield sometimes at the ramp is because I lose often from careless of controlling my opponents choke and he stims out with marine and marauders. If you saw the game I was late on having an observer so I didn't know what he had up there. By blindly forcefielding I can let my opponent know I'm watching the area and it actually gives me time to look at other screen while I'm doing that.


This post and the blog seems pretty reasonable to me. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say he wasn't cheating.


Thanks, I am willing to explain ANY suspicious action that anyone in Team JA or anyone here has a question about.
phantem
Profile Joined September 2010
United States163 Posts
February 28 2011 05:57 GMT
#25
Well from watching the VoD, it looked like there were several random forcefields, so you can't really call one out for being suspicious after there were a bunch that did nothing imo.

Also the 12 expo was a logical place to look since he saw the cc and was camping the natural, if nothing else a two-pronged attack would have been good too.

Not really enough evidence to call hacking here I don't think.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
February 28 2011 05:57 GMT
#26
lol forcefielding a ramp blind means hacks?

It couldn't *possibly* mean that the Protoss wanted to make sure that he wasn't caught off guard by a counterattack or anything, huh?

I watched it and it doesn't seem suspicious at all. The commentator seemed amused and confused by it, but he wasn't even looking at the forcefield when it went down so he had no idea why it was placed anyway.

As a Protoss, I'll forcefield ramps on occasion when I'm by an opponent's base. I just don't want to be caught off guard by a stimmed bio ball or a ling surround.

And the fact that you guys were apparently getting owned just makes this look like an act of desperation on your part.
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Vespillo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 05:59:42
February 28 2011 05:58 GMT
#27
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.

The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.
Apollonius
Profile Joined December 2010
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 06:00:58
February 28 2011 05:59 GMT
#28
On February 28 2011 14:48 milfhunter85 wrote:
Anyway this is Clan Master of CnB (we are from NA korean community site www.playxp.com)

for the clan battle arrangement pst milfhunter. 422
we don't QQ and trolling even if we losing 5 to nothing.

Let's have fun other than treating these piece shit trolls


Whoa there, slow down.

I do, however, agree with your team on this one. It seems to me from teh replay that the other team did this because they were getting their rear ends handed to them by a "nobody clan" and decided to claim hax on someone who seemed to have a better game sense than most members of their clan.

In the game vs. BioOrMech, he claims maphack because he expanded to 12 o' clock on Shakuras and was caught, and claims that he was never before caught doing that. However, Freshshock saw the CC earlier, and saw no natural expo, so assumed correcly that it went behind the rocks to the 12 o'clock. As a platinum player, this is what I would immediately assume as well, yet, I am evidently cheating, am I not?

Team JA should stop trying to blame maphack for 3 lost games in one clan war, and start trying to improve gamesense, or manners for that matter.
milfhunter85
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)3 Posts
February 28 2011 06:02 GMT
#29
On February 28 2011 14:26 SuperBigFoot wrote:


Ghosting is through the stream is only one way a player can cheat. He could get whispers from spectators or he could be on vent getting feedback, both of which offer no delay.


yes Team JA was getting feedback from specs and still losing!????

3 loses in a row made kids mad
Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
February 28 2011 06:05 GMT
#30
On February 28 2011 14:34 ckic04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 14:29 Jimmeh wrote:
On February 28 2011 14:20 ckic04 wrote:
If you refer back to starcraft broodwar, a progamer named Flash, doesnt even scout at all, but knows whats going on in the game


I know this is off-topic, but this is a complete lie. I remember Flash saying something along the lines of "I only scout to know the position of the opponent, I don't even go into the main" but if you watch his games he's a complete liar (i.e. he scouts a lot). You're right though, Flash does have an amazing game sense so half the time he doesn't need to scout for certain things because he just knows what's happening.

(Sorry for OT).


In one interview he said he didnt scout because he didnt want to waste time not mining minerals.


Yeah I remember, but then I paid careful attention the next few games ("Flash doesn't scout?! What the crap...") and he scouted like every other player.
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
February 28 2011 06:07 GMT
#31
Watched the replay. Watched replays from Freeshock as well. There's no maphacks going on here, and probably no ghosting. Blindly forcefielding a ramp doesn't mean you have insider info into what your opponent is doing; it could have easily been a waste of sentry energy. It's a calculated risk, and it paid off. You guys got kicked pretty hard. Deal with it, and don't call out hax when you're losing; that just makes you look immature.
SuperBigFoot
Profile Joined July 2010
United States63 Posts
February 28 2011 06:10 GMT
#32
On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.

The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.



WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it.
barkles
Profile Joined May 2010
United States285 Posts
February 28 2011 06:11 GMT
#33
Woah chillax bro. I'm sorry, but nobody is going to have sympathy for you when you were down 0-3 in an essentially meaningless clan war. What did you hope to gain by bringing it in front of TL? Prize money? The evidence is hardly conclusive in either direction, and the most suspicious thing about this whole affair isn't the alleged cheating but the fact that you brought it up only after you were losing badly.
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
February 28 2011 06:13 GMT
#34
On February 28 2011 15:10 SuperBigFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.

The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.



WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it.

no. just stop and apologize roflmao.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 28 2011 06:13 GMT
#35
Hacking or not, that really shouldn't be your clan's call nor your ultimate decision.
What you did was purely immature and uncalled for and deter healthy competition and narrow-mindedness and shameful pride.

I suggest that if he was hacking, you either A. Bring it to a higher authority, B. Confront the clan and consider all possibility C. Manner up and D. Delay the results.

Blatantly canceling a Clan War under alleged pretenses isn't going to win you much credibility.
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SuperBigFoot
Profile Joined July 2010
United States63 Posts
February 28 2011 06:14 GMT
#36
On February 28 2011 15:13 Torte de Lini wrote:
Hacking or not, that really shouldn't be your clan's call nor your ultimate decision.
What you did was purely immature and uncalled for and deter healthy competition and narrow-mindedness and shameful pride.

I suggest that if he was hacking, you either A. Bring it to a higher authority, B. Confront the clan and consider all possibility C. Manner up and D. Delay the results.

Blatantly canceling a Clan War under alleged pretenses isn't going to win you much credibility.


I would have liked to sent the report through the proper channels but as far as I can tell, there's no way to report other then making a tread on TL.
MrRicewife
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 06:28:21
February 28 2011 06:15 GMT
#37
Was this to redeem Team JA? Because... you really shot yourself in the foot here. Might be time to change your clan name from the way you reacted to this.

Edit: btw... when he warped in the stalkers, he started to move them away from the dropship and didn't even notice until you could hear dropship dropping.
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dde
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada796 Posts
February 28 2011 06:15 GMT
#38
well in my oppnnion ffing in that situation is very common and since he had like 4~5 sentries its okay to cast them until observer arrives. That move really didnt look suspicious but making stalker at 12 seemed really suspicious. could be scout purpose who knows.
yes
Abstinence
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States328 Posts
February 28 2011 06:16 GMT
#39
Wow I didn't know. NaDa must be a hacker too when he doesn't scout and hits sick timings by pure game sense.
binski
Profile Joined December 2010
United States225 Posts
February 28 2011 06:17 GMT
#40
On February 28 2011 15:13 CanucksJC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 15:10 SuperBigFoot wrote:
On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.

The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.



WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it.

no. just stop and apologize roflmao.


He's right, stop being an idiot and apologize

You're saying we should ban him because of your suspicions that he's maphacking/ghosting/etc.?
You don't even have the proper proof and you're asking to ban an innocent and more skillful player
Just apologize and end this
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