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Cull
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)40 Posts
February 28 2011 06:19 GMT
#41
You need to apologize to this man. He outplayed your entire team, and you guys threw a hissy fit and pointed fingers. If you can't accept a loss, don't play a clan war.
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
February 28 2011 06:21 GMT
#42
I can't believe I wasted my time looking at that replay. From the sound and appearance of it, team Ja is incredibly bad mannered and immature. An apology really should be issued to FreshShock.

Also, the route to take on this is not opening some trash thread to call for a ban on a player. There's a hacker thread already here on TL. Use the search function.

Then get your head out of your ass and apologize.
Rhombus
Profile Joined June 2010
United States187 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 06:29:05
February 28 2011 06:24 GMT
#43
On February 28 2011 15:10 SuperBigFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.

The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.



WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it.


While I find it amusing that your tunnel vision seems to allow you to ignore every post in the thread vindicating the guy in favor of the ones that could almost be construed as maybe not hurting your pretty frail argument, it's hugely disrespectful. I'd never heard of your clan before this thread came up, but my initial opinion of it is pretty low.
i am a logical person.
Resolve
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore679 Posts
February 28 2011 06:27 GMT
#44
On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.

The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.

It looks weird to me too but when the Protoss left the Terran base about half a minute ago there was a medivac in the red, and when the P re-entered the T base to finish the game, the medivac was gone... so it might be possible that he spotted this and expected a drop to come?
PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
February 28 2011 06:30 GMT
#45
On February 28 2011 15:16 Abstinence wrote:
Wow I didn't know. NaDa must be a hacker too when he doesn't scout and hits sick timings by pure game sense.


Pure game sense? There's very little evidence he actually cheated but calling anything he did "game sense" is ridiculous, it was blindly done and extremely lucky. Someone like Nada has game sense based on what he expects to be optimal/intelligent/risky decisions from his opponents at optimal timings not random spur of the moment nonsensical guesses. If there's any evidence of cheating here (there isn't) it would be the fact he floated to 1500 minerals on 2 base (which is pretty inexcusable) suggesting that he was occupied with other things (like talking on vent).
Shinshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1237 Posts
February 28 2011 06:31 GMT
#46
This thread is getting completely out of hand. It is unjust to call him out on maphacking and or ghosting without sufficient evidence. As many people have pointed out, the 12 o clock can't be a surprise as he saw the CC, and what else would you do other than scout it (that is seeing nothing @ the nat and Toss having map control as well). 2 Gate pressure > expand is a korean build nothing wrong with it at all.

Force fielding a ramp randomly seemed a little suspicious as the marine just started moving, but then you have to notice the 2nd time he FFed right after that, which did completely nothing. I might agree on the 18:14 warp but he could've noticed 2 things,
a) a dropship was gone that he let live,
b) the amount of marauders decreased, meaning possibly a counter attack
Both of these warrant enough reason to warp in your base
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Iggnite
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada288 Posts
February 28 2011 06:33 GMT
#47
I thought the SC2 Tourney forum is for tourneys not discussing if a player is cheating or not :S
All about the big plays
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 06:33:44
February 28 2011 06:33 GMT
#48
On February 28 2011 15:10 SuperBigFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.

The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.



WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it.


Yeah, because nobody could notice that severe lack of injured marauders and a lack of medivac that was just there a second ago, when he pushed into the terran base.
Vespillo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States13 Posts
February 28 2011 06:35 GMT
#49
On February 28 2011 15:27 Resolve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote:
His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there.

The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think.

It looks weird to me too but when the Protoss left the Terran base about half a minute ago there was a medivac in the red, and when the P re-entered the T base to finish the game, the medivac was gone... so it might be possible that he spotted this and expected a drop to come?



That would be a good enough reason for me to dismiss it. From the replay he is clearly the better player and since he was focus firing the medivacs down initially and had to retreat due to the mauraders I would believe he knew they had to be coming once he pushed back into the T main and they were suddenly gone.
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
February 28 2011 06:36 GMT
#50
On February 28 2011 15:33 Iggnite wrote:
I thought the SC2 Tourney forum is for tourneys not discussing if a player is cheating or not :S

SC2 tournament forum is also for whining about people playing better than you in a tournament. Apparently.
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
February 28 2011 06:37 GMT
#51
On February 28 2011 15:33 Iggnite wrote:
I thought the SC2 Tourney forum is for tourneys not discussing if a player is cheating or not :S


Agreed. This thread is a disgrace.

Trying to ruin a player's image after he destroyed your team and you BM'ed by quitting the Clan War early.

Incredible, first time I see something so stupid on TeamLiquid.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 06:39:42
February 28 2011 06:39 GMT
#52
On February 28 2011 14:01 SuperBigFoot wrote:
In my opinion, he was cheating and should be banned from TLO.


In my opinion, there should be some sort of action taken against the people who blame others for cheating when they're clearly not, cancel official matches and tournaments for bullshit reasons, and can't take a loss every once in a while.

But I'm not going to make a thread about it, and I'm amazed that you had the audacity to do those things to someone else.

A Protoss player used a forcefield at a chokepoint (a standard place to use one) and you accuse him of hacking. You and your clan have some nerve. There goes the reputation of you and your team.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
February 28 2011 06:39 GMT
#53
There is nothing suspicious about this replay at all lol. The stalkers just seems intuitive
Dead girls don't say no.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 06:43:11
February 28 2011 06:39 GMT
#54
Watched his FPPOV fully, then rewatched the "suspicious sections" you complained about.

@11min - he just built up to 5-6 sentries outside your base at this point, knows you have a second CC. He's gotta be expecting you to bust the contain, and at this point has enough sentries to perma-FF your ramp. He actually does 2 consecutive blind FFs.

@12:00 expansion - Duh. You sat on a second CC for how long without even pressuring the contain force.

@18min mark drop - He warps stalkers in his base, walks them away for a moment, then immediately turns them around as you start dropping marauders. He seemed ready to do something else, like look around for hidden stuff on the map since you hadn't GGd yet.

Finally, you were behind from the very beginning (when he busted your ramp with the 1z5s 2 warpgate push), and never really caught up. You were pretty much gonna lose if he was playing the last 10 minutes onehanded.
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
February 28 2011 06:40 GMT
#55
Getting 3-0 and called your opponent cheating. Seems like you just can't accept losing 3-0, better stop playing CW if you can't take defeat.
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 06:45:25
February 28 2011 06:42 GMT
#56
I think this thread is great, getting more people's opinion on a matter such as this is a good way to come closer to the truth.

In this case, it also has the side benefit of completely backfiring. I'll make sure to avoid Team JA in the future. BM and whining about hax after getting their ass handed to them 3-0, then trying to vindicate their weakass excuse and leaving by assaulting another player's integrity with a thread on TL.


After watching the replay, I agree with most of the others in here - an apology from JA to the guys on CNB is in order.
Candide
Profile Joined November 2010
456 Posts
February 28 2011 06:43 GMT
#57
to be perfectly honest CNB is a good org.(dota wise from what ive seen) just on that I doubt they would go as far as maphack in a noname clanwar..
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
February 28 2011 06:44 GMT
#58
On February 28 2011 15:15 dde wrote:
well in my oppnnion ffing in that situation is very common and since he had like 4~5 sentries its okay to cast them until observer arrives. That move really didnt look suspicious but making stalker at 12 seemed really suspicious. could be scout purpose who knows.


Especially considering the second observer was on its way, which ended up at the exact position of the first one. The late camera movement to the Marine early game was weird as well, especially since the probe had left the Watchtower since ~5 seconds.

Although, when it comes to cheating, you have to be absolutely positively sure. There's no gray zone.

On February 28 2011 14:39 nullmind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 14:36 Baby_Seal wrote:
The pylon at the top is believable since he scouted the command center earlier when he attacked.

The blind forcefields though...that doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose it's only one suspicious event though, so I couldn't really say yay or nay.


I blind forcefield sometimes at the ramp is because I lose often from careless of controlling my opponents choke and he stims out with marine and marauders. If you saw the game I was late on having an observer so I didn't know what he had up there. By blindly forcefielding I can let my opponent know I'm watching the area and it actually gives me time to look at other screen while I'm doing that.


Yes, while it gives you time to look at other screens, you still did not. You kept looking at your army the whole time.

But then again, as I said, since there's no gray zone, you are not cheating in my book. You're just very lucky
HanSeungYeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)7 Posts
February 28 2011 06:48 GMT
#59
He just outplayed all you fools, stop crying ^^
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NoobieOne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1183 Posts
February 28 2011 06:50 GMT
#60
if you look at the replay you can tell that the toss actually had enough to break the ramp when he ffed so if he was hacking why wouldn't he move up since he can see army size. Also if its 12 minutes in and a terran opponent hasn't expanded I'd probably check every expansion and i'm only a platinum level player.
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