EPTWas This Toss Cheating? - Page 3
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Cull
Korea (South)40 Posts
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NathanSC
United States620 Posts
Also, the route to take on this is not opening some trash thread to call for a ban on a player. There's a hacker thread already here on TL. Use the search function. Then get your head out of your ass and apologize. | ||
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Rhombus
United States187 Posts
On February 28 2011 15:10 SuperBigFoot wrote: WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it. While I find it amusing that your tunnel vision seems to allow you to ignore every post in the thread vindicating the guy in favor of the ones that could almost be construed as maybe not hurting your pretty frail argument, it's hugely disrespectful. I'd never heard of your clan before this thread came up, but my initial opinion of it is pretty low. | ||
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Resolve
Singapore679 Posts
On February 28 2011 14:58 Vespillo wrote: His push in the beginning was a 5 stalker 1 zealot push which is very standard, the FF on the ramp did seem to just be a normal contain and nothing fishy there. The only thing that caught me way off guard is at 18:14 when he blindly warps in those stalkers at his main when the previous warp ins came at the top pylon. That's the only thing that looks weird and I would like to see others take another look at that to see what they think. It looks weird to me too but when the Protoss left the Terran base about half a minute ago there was a medivac in the red, and when the P re-entered the T base to finish the game, the medivac was gone... so it might be possible that he spotted this and expected a drop to come? | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On February 28 2011 15:16 Abstinence wrote: Wow I didn't know. NaDa must be a hacker too when he doesn't scout and hits sick timings by pure game sense. Pure game sense? There's very little evidence he actually cheated but calling anything he did "game sense" is ridiculous, it was blindly done and extremely lucky. Someone like Nada has game sense based on what he expects to be optimal/intelligent/risky decisions from his opponents at optimal timings not random spur of the moment nonsensical guesses. If there's any evidence of cheating here (there isn't) it would be the fact he floated to 1500 minerals on 2 base (which is pretty inexcusable) suggesting that he was occupied with other things (like talking on vent). | ||
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Shinshady
Canada1237 Posts
Force fielding a ramp randomly seemed a little suspicious as the marine just started moving, but then you have to notice the 2nd time he FFed right after that, which did completely nothing. I might agree on the 18:14 warp but he could've noticed 2 things, a) a dropship was gone that he let live, b) the amount of marauders decreased, meaning possibly a counter attack Both of these warrant enough reason to warp in your base | ||
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Iggnite
Canada288 Posts
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On February 28 2011 15:10 SuperBigFoot wrote: WoW, i didn't even notice that. Will edit my post to include it. Yeah, because nobody could notice that severe lack of injured marauders and a lack of medivac that was just there a second ago, when he pushed into the terran base. | ||
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Vespillo
United States13 Posts
On February 28 2011 15:27 Resolve wrote: It looks weird to me too but when the Protoss left the Terran base about half a minute ago there was a medivac in the red, and when the P re-entered the T base to finish the game, the medivac was gone... so it might be possible that he spotted this and expected a drop to come? That would be a good enough reason for me to dismiss it. From the replay he is clearly the better player and since he was focus firing the medivacs down initially and had to retreat due to the mauraders I would believe he knew they had to be coming once he pushed back into the T main and they were suddenly gone. | ||
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NathanSC
United States620 Posts
On February 28 2011 15:33 Iggnite wrote: I thought the SC2 Tourney forum is for tourneys not discussing if a player is cheating or not :S SC2 tournament forum is also for whining about people playing better than you in a tournament. Apparently. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On February 28 2011 15:33 Iggnite wrote: I thought the SC2 Tourney forum is for tourneys not discussing if a player is cheating or not :S Agreed. This thread is a disgrace. Trying to ruin a player's image after he destroyed your team and you BM'ed by quitting the Clan War early. Incredible, first time I see something so stupid on TeamLiquid. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44456 Posts
On February 28 2011 14:01 SuperBigFoot wrote: In my opinion, he was cheating and should be banned from TLO. In my opinion, there should be some sort of action taken against the people who blame others for cheating when they're clearly not, cancel official matches and tournaments for bullshit reasons, and can't take a loss every once in a while. But I'm not going to make a thread about it, and I'm amazed that you had the audacity to do those things to someone else. A Protoss player used a forcefield at a chokepoint (a standard place to use one) and you accuse him of hacking. You and your clan have some nerve. There goes the reputation of you and your team. | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
@11min - he just built up to 5-6 sentries outside your base at this point, knows you have a second CC. He's gotta be expecting you to bust the contain, and at this point has enough sentries to perma-FF your ramp. He actually does 2 consecutive blind FFs. @12:00 expansion - Duh. You sat on a second CC for how long without even pressuring the contain force. @18min mark drop - He warps stalkers in his base, walks them away for a moment, then immediately turns them around as you start dropping marauders. He seemed ready to do something else, like look around for hidden stuff on the map since you hadn't GGd yet. Finally, you were behind from the very beginning (when he busted your ramp with the 1z5s 2 warpgate push), and never really caught up. You were pretty much gonna lose if he was playing the last 10 minutes onehanded. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
In this case, it also has the side benefit of completely backfiring. I'll make sure to avoid Team JA in the future. BM and whining about hax after getting their ass handed to them 3-0, then trying to vindicate their weakass excuse and leaving by assaulting another player's integrity with a thread on TL. After watching the replay, I agree with most of the others in here - an apology from JA to the guys on CNB is in order. | ||
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Candide
456 Posts
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warshop
Canada490 Posts
On February 28 2011 15:15 dde wrote: well in my oppnnion ffing in that situation is very common and since he had like 4~5 sentries its okay to cast them until observer arrives. That move really didnt look suspicious but making stalker at 12 seemed really suspicious. could be scout purpose who knows. Especially considering the second observer was on its way, which ended up at the exact position of the first one. The late camera movement to the Marine early game was weird as well, especially since the probe had left the Watchtower since ~5 seconds. Although, when it comes to cheating, you have to be absolutely positively sure. There's no gray zone. On February 28 2011 14:39 nullmind wrote: I blind forcefield sometimes at the ramp is because I lose often from careless of controlling my opponents choke and he stims out with marine and marauders. If you saw the game I was late on having an observer so I didn't know what he had up there. By blindly forcefielding I can let my opponent know I'm watching the area and it actually gives me time to look at other screen while I'm doing that. Yes, while it gives you time to look at other screens, you still did not. You kept looking at your army the whole time. But then again, as I said, since there's no gray zone, you are not cheating in my book. You're just very lucky  | ||
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HanSeungYeon
Korea (South)7 Posts
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NoobieOne
United States1183 Posts
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