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On January 09 2011 07:33 Faranth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 07:29 Offhand wrote:On January 09 2011 06:45 Faranth wrote:On January 09 2011 06:43 NoobieOne wrote:
Ok so my main question is why wasn't there a policeman there? When a congressman visited my High School in upstate New York there was an extra policeman there that day. Meanwhile this is a public meeting in the wide open and the congresswoman was almost hated by the local population. She wasn't and never has been hated by the "local population". She was hated by a fringe group of ignorant extremists. Please be more careful with your words. We're talking about Arizona. There's nothing fringe about Tea Party radicals in Arizona. You're missing the point. She won in her congressional race and is respected and loved by many. The Tea party might be substantial but it is no majority. Either way, it's somewhat tangential to this event anyhow - there is no solid confirmation as to what motivated this gunman thus far.
We do have insight into the gunners beliefs. Here's his youtube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10
Dude is completely crazy.
+ Show Spoiler +Offtopic but calling the tea party a fringe group doesn't even come close to the grip it has on some states. Arizona is one of the most backwards/tea party friendly states in the nation. So please don't spin it from "fringe group" to "not a majority".
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Errr, guys, I doubt gun control has a major influence on crime. It seem to have almost no effect on how many people get shot a year. In America, with the massive ownership of guns, we see 11,000+ people die a year. In Switzerland, which is even more chill with the ownership of guns, their crime rate is very low.
Conclusion: Give the TEA Party a chill pill and increase living conditions.
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On January 09 2011 08:53 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 08:47 Rflcrx wrote:On January 09 2011 08:39 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
When people claiming that Mein Kampf is rightist philosophy, when it's the manifesto of a man who sets up socialism in his country, with him as the supreme ruler, there is no point in arguing. Hitler didn't set up socialism. Please read a history book, or at the very least wikipedia before you continue writing total nonsense. Hitler didn't set up social welfare to families who would raise blonde haired blue eyed children in order to help promote the perfect human and create the master race of Aryans? Would you like for me to quote Karl Marx for why exterminating the jews is how you bring about social revolution? Or do you not believe that Communist Russia and Hitlers Germany (National Socialist Party) worked together?
This dude has got to be trolling.
Anyway, I just realized that this has gone way of topic.
Picture of the mad-man in 2006
![[image loading]](http://i.huffpost.com/gen/235439/JARED-LEE-LOUGHNER.jpg)
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On January 09 2011 08:52 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 08:47 Rflcrx wrote:On January 09 2011 08:39 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
When people claiming that Mein Kampf is rightist philosophy, when it's the manifesto of a man who sets up socialism in his country, with him as the supreme ruler, there is no point in arguing. Hitler didn't set up socialism. Please read a history book, or at the very least wikipedia before you continue writing total nonsense. Yet another person who doesn't understand the distinction between national socialism and socialism. There's a very big difference, Arcbound, I suggest you look into it.
It wasn't even national socialism. In fact working hours increased, wages decreased, healthcare was reduced and unions were controlled to the point were they couldn't work anymore. Of course being a socialist was also illegal. Oh yeah and all that happend long before the war. Hitler was neither are a socialist, nor a national socialst, his policy were far right. Claiming that he "set up socialism" is possibly the wrongest thing you could say about the guy. This information should actually be in every history book. At least it was in every history book I read.
Oh and yeah, NSDAP means nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. Your translation is incorrect.
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On January 09 2011 08:53 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 08:47 Rflcrx wrote:On January 09 2011 08:39 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
When people claiming that Mein Kampf is rightist philosophy, when it's the manifesto of a man who sets up socialism in his country, with him as the supreme ruler, there is no point in arguing. Hitler didn't set up socialism. Please read a history book, or at the very least wikipedia before you continue writing total nonsense. Or do you not believe that Communist Russia and Hitlers Germany (National Socialist Party) worked together?
Hahahahahaha...
Oh my dear god.
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On January 09 2011 08:39 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Hitler, mousilini, and stalin all worked together to take over Europe. If you want I can get a 2 hour video describing how Communist Russia worked in tandem with Hitler and articles about how communism and socialism are ideologically almost identical from socialists, even though communist russia appeared to be against socialist ideas.
When this man turns out to be extremely left, I know every single person on here will refuse to admit it. He's a psycho, he's crazy, don't put any politcal leaning to him, all the while insinuating he is from a right ideology. When people claiming that Mein Kampf is rightist philosophy, when it's the manifesto of a man who sets up socialism in his country, with him as the supreme ruler, there is no point in arguing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)#Operation_Barbarossa:_Summer_1941
Edit: Hitler working with Stalin to invade Russia.
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could it be that she was one of the pushers for the kick the mexicans out movement?
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On January 09 2011 08:53 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 08:47 Rflcrx wrote:On January 09 2011 08:39 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
When people claiming that Mein Kampf is rightist philosophy, when it's the manifesto of a man who sets up socialism in his country, with him as the supreme ruler, there is no point in arguing. Hitler didn't set up socialism. Please read a history book, or at the very least wikipedia before you continue writing total nonsense. Hitler didn't set up social welfare to families who would raise blonde haired blue eyed children in order to help promote the perfect human and create the master race of Aryans? Would you like for me to quote Karl Marx for why exterminating the inferior races is how you bring about social revolution? Or do you not believe that Communist Russia and Hitlers Germany (National Socialist Party) worked together?
The Tea-Party kool-aid of combining fascism, socialism, and communism into a single liberal entity that America must be taken back from, ladies and gentlemen.
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I'm really sorry, I've been following this story and thread and I have to ask what the FUCK you people are talking about. There is no good evidence so far that he did it for very strong political reasons. Even if he did, I'm sure there are people with beliefs similar to his who don't go around killing people.
He's obviously crazy, and there are certainly crazy and sane people of any belief. You guys are just debating your own personal beliefs, and labeling him as the opposite of whatever your ideology. Pathetic.
All the tea party issues etc., are worth discussing, but that, in my opinion, is absolutely NOT what this is about. Figuring out the rest of the story is important but you inane debates aren't accomplishing that.
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There is nothing more disgusting than people who use the martyrdom of the people who died under the oppressive rule or Hitler and Stalin to try to strengthen their political agenda.
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On January 09 2011 08:46 Taguchi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 08:36 Hughduffel wrote:On January 09 2011 08:34 Taguchi wrote:
the argument that palin et al encourage things like this to happen definitely has wings..
take away the lax gun control... Because people who kill people with guns obey gun control restrictions.... Should I link to the Luby's massacre again? Or maybe to all the mall/school/off limits shootings? man, can u not see that the chain of retard/crazy guy gets influenced by X, goes and buys a gun and kills a bunch of people can be broken when said retard cant just go to a shop and get a gun?
Because that works so well in mexico, which has gun control insanely more restrictive than ours /rolleyes
I'd rather be able to buy a gun legally to protect myself from wackos, than not be able to and have the wackos get them anyway. And they will get them, believing anything else is fantasy land.
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Edit: irrelevant discussion.
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On January 09 2011 08:56 Lefnui wrote:
Hahahahahaha...
Oh my dear god.
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/12/27/the-soviet-story/
1.5 hours about how Hitler and Stalin colluded to not only kill the Jews, but also to take over Europe.
Watch it then come back (sorry for the anti obama adds, but if you're watching the documentary then you shouldn't care).
User was temp banned for this post.
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On January 09 2011 09:03 SnK-Arcbound wrote:http://frontpagemag.com/2010/12/27/the-soviet-story/1.5 hours about how Hitler and Stalin colluded to not only kill the Jews, but also to take over Europe. Watch it then come back (sorry for the anti obama adds, but if you're watching the documentary then you shouldn't care).
Man, they must have had some awesome co-operation for Hitler to INVADE Russia a few years later.
Hitler and Stalin, BFFs!
Mod note: Mod misclick, meant to get Arcbound. Lets stop this line of argument here.
- p4NDemik
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On January 09 2011 08:58 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 08:39 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Hitler, mousilini, and stalin all worked together to take over Europe. If you want I can get a 2 hour video describing how Communist Russia worked in tandem with Hitler and articles about how communism and socialism are ideologically almost identical from socialists, even though communist russia appeared to be against socialist ideas.
When this man turns out to be extremely left, I know every single person on here will refuse to admit it. He's a psycho, he's crazy, don't put any politcal leaning to him, all the while insinuating he is from a right ideology. When people claiming that Mein Kampf is rightist philosophy, when it's the manifesto of a man who sets up socialism in his country, with him as the supreme ruler, there is no point in arguing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)#Operation_Barbarossa:_Summer_1941Edit: Hitler working with Stalin to invade Russia.
I thin the problem here is that system do not necessairly fall into the political category they name themselves after. For example, Germany claimed to be national-socialist but from today's percpetive we would call it a fascist military dictatorship. A lot of dictatorships call their states names like socialist or democratic or rebublic.
Apart from that semantic problem, you are right. Hitler and Stalin collaborated until Hitler thought it was a good idea to attack Russia. The reasons fpr this cooperation, however, were not at all ideological but rather aimed at gaining political power.
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Yeah this guy was planning it for a while at least a month in advance. This guy was not some mental case he knew what he was doing. The Youtube videos show he defiantly wanted to send a message. It's weird though, because it's like he's stuck in (really bad) if a then b, a therefore b logic. His points don't make any sense or directly point to anything. My guess is that he's trying to get other people to come over to his view of the world, but that view is massively paranoid about government conspiracy so he uses terms like currency and literacy to cover for him.
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Witness stating he [the shooter]was less than 5 feet from Gifford when he shot her. He then shot everyone around him. He tried escaping, a guy tackled him.
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On January 09 2011 09:03 SnK-Arcbound wrote:http://frontpagemag.com/2010/12/27/the-soviet-story/1.5 hours about how Hitler and Stalin colluded to not only kill the Jews, but also to take over Europe. Watch it then come back (sorry for the anti obama adds, but if you're watching the documentary then you shouldn't care).
I'm sure Hitler's constant denouncements of communism and the fact that he fucking attacked Russia won't figure into your opinion in the slightest...
Also, do you think linking to a far right propaganda website is helping your argument?
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I literally laughed out loud when i refreshed this page and saw the world war 2 talk... come on...
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