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chazzzle
United States1 Post
my build: 9/0/21 mp marks health seals ap/level glyphs ap quint q hits the 2 second cooldown when you're level 9 so it's why I chose ap/level glyphs start with doran's, get boots, get giant belt turn it into rylai's, deathcap, void staff, deathcap, sell doran's for another deathcap | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Navi
5286 Posts
btw yango i herd ur doing ur finals when u done? | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
Really great however are the new CDR boots - they directly improve his harrass/survivability at the point where he is vulnerable, pre lvl 9 Transfusion. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
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SCling
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Navi
5286 Posts
On January 07 2011 09:16 oberon wrote: Rylai's isn't just core because the slow is nice, it's core because it's ridiculously stupidly super-efficient on Vlad -- it gives a ton of both AP and HP. If you're not opening Rylai's, you damned well better be going Mejai's -> Levi, because anything else is simply worse (and the full-snowball thing is honestly pretty troll). "super efficient" deathcap is more "super efficient" in terms of pure numbers if u ask me the slow is the only reason you would get it over deathcap, the extra hp is irrelevant in most reasonable scenarios edit: lolyangogotowned To be fair though, rylais is also more "accessible" in that its components are cheaper piece by piece (I haven't actually checked but cap is NLR + rod right?). Its easier to get blasting rod + tome on a b than it is to get NLR | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 07 2011 09:16 oberon wrote: Rylai's isn't just core because the slow is nice, it's core because it's ridiculously stupidly super-efficient on Vlad -- it gives a ton of both AP and HP. If you're not opening Rylai's, you damned well better be going Mejai's -> Levi, because anything else is simply worse (and the full-snowball thing is honestly pretty troll). From a pure stats perspective, I'm pretty sure Deathcap is more cost-effective than Rylais even on Vladimir--particularly since the passive scales up your from-HP AP, which then scales back into your HP. It's not like being HP + AP makes Rylais better than Deathcap being pure AP. | ||
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SCling
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Navi
5286 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
I'm really thinking hourglass might be better than cap on him btw, this is the first caster where I've felt that at all. Cap has been kinda 'win-more' for me in that it only really helps your team when you would be in a position to crush with pretty much any ap item. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On January 07 2011 09:48 TheYango wrote: From a pure stats perspective, I'm pretty sure Deathcap is more cost-effective than Rylais even on Vladimir--particularly since the passive scales up your from-HP AP, which then scales back into your HP. It's not like being HP + AP makes Rylais better than Deathcap being pure AP. Evidence please? I'm fairly sure this is not the case, because you'd create an infinite loop. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 07 2011 12:01 oberon wrote: Evidence please? I'm fairly sure this is not the case, because you'd create an infinite loop. From the LoL wiki: While specifically noted that Crimson Pact will not stack with itself, any Ability Power gained through Crimson Pact will be affected by Rabadon's Deathcap. The ability power added in this way will be converted into Health through Crimson Pact. It doesn't create an infinite loop, because regardless of the effect scaling off Deathcap, it still doesn't change the fact that Crimson Pact doesn't scale off itself. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Same as with Kayle 100AD gives 30AP, which gives 3AD, which gives 1 AP, which gives 0.1AD.... etc Add it all up and you still only get 103AD and 31AP | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On January 07 2011 13:38 Juicyfruit wrote: The loop is infinite, but it converges pretty quickly. Same as with Kayle 100AD gives 30AP, which gives 3AD, which gives 1 AP, which gives 0.1AD.... etc Add it all up and you still only get 103AD and 31AP i'm fairly certain that they made it so that the passives don't scale off each other because people who don't know what limits and derivatives are wouldn't be scared of vlad and kayle op but yes, even if they did, as juicy wrote, the only differences would be <1 AP and ad in most cases. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On January 07 2011 10:37 Phrost wrote: I always get Rylais first because the slow I feel in my playstyle is required to be effective. The Hp isn't a deal breaker but most reasonable people will be running from a vlad not sitting there getting wailed on and he's not the kind of caster that kills you in 1 volley of spells (maybe 2 transfusions if you break out everything and your ult) rylai is solo q god but honestly, dealing absurd damage is almost always preferable in team oriented play, especially if your team is intelligent enough to take enough cc. imagine for an instant that you are a vlad with rylai, and your team starts dragon and proceeds to get engaged upon by the enemy team. then imagine that you are a vlad with a deathcap, and your team fights the same fight. your damage output is much larger (you get more than twice the AP from rylais with deathcap, vlad's passive included), and if you can force them off you you can easily finish off your objective. While rylais does help with chasing, chasing for kills isn't the optimal solution in all cases (indeed it is often a bad choice, because the time you spend chasing could be used to aid your allies against other opponents in the case of a large fight or taking out towers/buffs/dragon). If your team is organized enough that you are confident in forcing fights at towers when you have vision on one of their teammates at a diff location, getting deathcap is a legitimate first item. and hell, if you chase them out of lane, good for you. if you chase them out of a teamfight, even better for you. use that time to wipe out th eir teammates/tower. Honestly, if they are intelligent enough, rylai slow won't be enough to kill them unless you get an assist from your jungler. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Deathcap needs two trips of 1700 and 1600 to be made... or 3 of 860, 840 and 1600. Rylai's can be split up alot more... the largest trip only has to be 1100 (as compared to 1600). However with Vlad's survivability in lane it shouldn't be a huge issue to farm up the extra 500. If ranged carries have to farm up 1850, farming up 1600 shouldn't be a big deal for Vlad... gonna have to consider deathcap rushes on him when I finish farming IP for him. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On January 07 2011 22:21 Dgiese wrote: I hadn't really thought about it until reading this argument... but there is only 200 gold (actually 195) difference between the two. Deathcap needs two trips of 1700 and 1600 to be made... or 3 of 860, 840 and 1600. Rylai's can be split up alot more... the largest trip only has to be 1100 (as compared to 1600). However with Vlad's survivability in lane it shouldn't be a huge issue to farm up the extra 500. If ranged carries have to farm up 1850, farming up 1600 shouldn't be a big deal for Vlad... gonna have to consider deathcap rushes on him when I finish farming IP for him. If you can't farm 2k in 2 sittings as vlad then maybe Rylais is a good item for you in that game. Basically for more defense. Vlad has got to be the easiest AFK farmer in the game. Even kennen has to get in melee range and sivir will run out of mana eventually as well as not being able to optimally keep a lane in the correct position. So yeah, deathcap is an easy farm, but you bring up a good point in that if you are forced back a bunch you might want to concider the extra survivability of rylais -> zhonyas over pure DPS. Maybe even skip deathcap completely if you have another carry doing good in the game and you're not doing so hot. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
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