EPTZhonya's Hourglass is cost inefficient unless you want the active or fill your last slot with something really expensive. You get less stats for it's cost than you would with the small items, which is really poor for something so expensive. Since as a defensive caster item it kind of sucks, maybe armor/lvl seals might not be unreasonable.
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Zhonya's Hourglass is cost inefficient unless you want the active or fill your last slot with something really expensive. You get less stats for it's cost than you would with the small items, which is really poor for something so expensive. Since as a defensive caster item it kind of sucks, maybe armor/lvl seals might not be unreasonable. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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Exadra
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Exadra
21 Posts
On January 07 2011 13:38 Juicyfruit wrote: The loop is infinite, but it converges pretty quickly. Same as with Kayle 100AD gives 30AP, which gives 3AD, which gives 1 AP, which gives 0.1AD.... etc Add it all up and you still only get 103AD and 31AP Riot specifically mentioned when vlad came out that his passive would not loop. kayle's and jax+ atmas does, but vlad's does not. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 08 2011 01:21 Exadra wrote: If the enemy team does not comprise of more than 2 people who get mr early, I would highly recommend grabbing sorc boots over anything else. You can swap it out later on for merc/lucidity if you want, but having the 49 mpen at lvl9 after rushing sorc boots and haunting guise is amazing. You'll be doing full damage to anyone in the game that hasn't bought mr items yet. Strictly speaking, masteries + sorc boots does full damage to anyone who hasn't bought MR yet (the base being 30), or at least close enough to full damage that you won't get full value out of Haunting Guise. You only need the Guise if they got Mercs or any other Null-Magic Mantle-based item (e,g. Lichbane). If their team actually gets Negatron-based items, you're better off with Lucidity + Void Staff. | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
On January 08 2011 02:22 Juicyfruit wrote: O~ that's weird and inconsistent, but good to know. It´s not. The infinte loop USED to work but doesn´t anymore on anyone. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
9/0/21 maxing cdr and no mana caster stuff. Red mpen, yellow hp/lvl, flat cdr blue, hp quints. (Though I think I would run flat AP quints if I had them). Ghost/ignite. QWQE then R>Q>E>W Start with Dorans shield, play fairly defensively until 7/9 where q gets low enough cd that you can use it to harass. Use W to escape from any ganks. Then once you are higher level and with a shop trip you can easily own your lane up with your ridiculous low cd spells. Item build: Dorans Shield CDR boots Spirit Visage Deathcap Rylais Hourglass If you feel like your team is slightly retarded or you are getting focused a lot you can get Hourglass before rylais as it makes you quite a bit harder to kill combined with pool. Basically, get 40% cdr then own everything with your spells. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
If you're going to cap CDR that quickly, at least cut enough CDR runes to hit exactly 40%--you've got 9% from masteries and 27% from items meaning you need 6-7 CDR glyphs and can put something else in the remaining slots. Personally, I'd rather just skip Visage, and use a Blue Elixir late game if you want to fill in that last 10% CDR for a big fight. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
Ye, skipping spirit visage might be better, but haven't done the maths behind it. | ||
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Exadra
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On January 08 2011 04:15 TheYango wrote: Strictly speaking, masteries + sorc boots does full damage to anyone who hasn't bought MR yet (the base being 30), or at least close enough to full damage that you won't get full value out of Haunting Guise. You only need the Guise if they got Mercs or any other Null-Magic Mantle-based item (e,g. Lichbane). If their team actually gets Negatron-based items, you're better off with Lucidity + Void Staff. The problem is that most people get merc treads anyway, so they'll be up at around 50+mr. This is why I go for 49 mpen with sorc and guise. After my core (guise, deathcap, rylais) i also do abyssal for an additional 20 mr reduction, which is great and allows me to do decent damage even to tanks, in addition to getting me up to 100mr for some survivability | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 08 2011 09:44 Goshawk. wrote: In game I had like 39% (I think) with kindlegem+cdr boots so I just upgraded the gem anyway. (no blue pot involved) Ye, skipping spirit visage might be better, but haven't done the maths behind it. It might just be my personal preference, but I've never really liked the idea of hard-capping CDR off items. There are just too many sources of temporary or incidental CDR that can end up going to waste if you decide to hard-cap CDR. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On January 08 2011 10:53 TheYango wrote: It might just be my personal preference, but I've never really liked the idea of hard-capping CDR off items. There are just too many sources of temporary or incidental CDR that can end up going to waste if you decide to hard-cap CDR. Soul Shroud and Blue Buff. Too many? Some champs have CDR abilities, but you know about those before you buy items. If there was no hardcap, CDR would have to be a multiplicative stat like dodge, or else it would be way too good. | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
Soulshroud is a rarely used item, especially after the new boots arrived. Vlad never ever gets bluebuff except from killing an enemy. It´s not like you passivly waste much. | ||
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BlackHat
United States264 Posts
I just don't think Vlad brings much else to a fight other than that. If you can get close spamming tides can hurt them a lot, but if not all you can do is q a few times which does ok damage but is not very threatening. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On January 09 2011 23:46 BlackHat wrote: I have to disagree with not using your ult til the end of the fight. It increases all damage on them by 14% and your wasting a ton of potential damage if you use it to catch escapees, not to mention if you lose the fight you may not get to use it at all that way. Obviously I am not saying you initiate with it but putting it down as soon as you get a decent shot can really make or break a teamfight. I just don't think Vlad brings much else to a fight other than that. If you can get close spamming tides can hurt them a lot, but if not all you can do is q a few times which does ok damage but is not very threatening. Initiating with his ult is even worse. I think the best way to ulti in teamfight is just like with most aoe non-cc ults - wait till both sides engage and then ult. If you ult too early enemies will just escape and fight a moment later with your ult on cd | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On January 08 2011 21:39 Unentschieden wrote: You shouldn´t gimp yourself just because you think you might be less efficient sometimes. Max CDR on Vlad is simply too good for Transfusion and pool to complain about "wasting" CDR - which is a suprisingly cheap stat for what it does. It´s the same concept in a way as buying banshees on Mundo. Soulshroud is a rarely used item, especially after the new boots arrived. Vlad never ever gets bluebuff except from killing an enemy. It´s not like you passivly waste much. u guys are forgetting blue elixir cheap ass cdr and AP boost, which vlads who have their main items should be pumping for the rest of the game (getting it early is slightly gimped bcuz of the nerf, but it is still a good boost once u have your main items). hardcapping CDR on casters is generally inefficient because most casters can benefit from blue buff and blue elixir (or one or the other for sure) both of which give massive cdr. itemizing for cdr is generally less cost efficient than itemizing for AP because you pay for these passives, which as mentioned can be easily obtained from either blue buff or blue elixir. i would rather pay for deathcap passive and some other kickass AP item with a nice passive (like rylai!) than for items with cdr as one of their main selling points. If nothing else, itemizing to cdrcap is extremely inefficient lategame (if not midgame as well). | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On January 10 2011 04:52 Kaniol wrote: Initiating with his ult is even worse. I think the best way to ulti in teamfight is just like with most aoe non-cc ults - wait till both sides engage and then ult. If you ult too early enemies will just escape and fight a moment later with your ult on cd yes once one side or another is committed to fighting (like u catch their carry in a cc chain thru something like blitz grab -> stunfest or something and their team waltzes in to save him/her) then its most efficient to use on as many people as possible for aoe damage gayness. saving it for the finishing effect so that you can get a penta or using it as soon as you can hit all 5 (but your team doesn't have the mechanism to make them stay ) its either troll or badworthy lol old galio ult + old vlad ult used to be ridiculously efficient because of the high amounts of damage galio's ult output along with vlad being able to tides + transfusion during the duration, you could probably almost kill their entire team that way lol | ||
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