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funk100
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom172 Posts
December 12 2010 11:38 GMT
#61
best time to buy gold was when the chancellor of england decided it was time to sell it off in 1999, as you can see from the graph gold prices were at there lowest point as such a vast amount of gold went on the market.

gorden brown is pretty silly, with hindsight.
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Fluffet
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden47 Posts
December 12 2010 12:04 GMT
#62
That is actually a really nice idea. I'll think about it. Thanks for showing me :D. I wonder how much you'd have to invest in order to gain a sufficient amount of money though.
More fluff to the people
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
December 12 2010 12:14 GMT
#63
I'm no expert or anything but it seems you're 10 years too late.
Hello World!
Blix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands873 Posts
December 12 2010 13:25 GMT
#64
Firstly, buying gold is not investing, but speculating - gold does not yield or produce, the only thing you can do with it is search for a bigger fool. (no offense, but if you buy gold based on opinions in a starcraft forum, odds are you can't find one ;-) )

The price of gold fluctuates around an inflation corrected mean. If you buy gold when it's far above its mean (like now or 1980) and hold it, there is a good chance you will *never* make an inflation corrected profit. The people who bought in 1980 are still like 600$/oz away from inflation corrected break-even.
Conquer yourself not the world. - Descartes
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4420 Posts
December 12 2010 14:06 GMT
#65
Umm the smart people are buying silver as that still hasn't reached the highs it achieved back in 1980 (47.00 or so if i remember) whereas gold has surpassed them in pure terms (not accounting for the inflation of the past 30 years in which i believe 1980 prices were still far higher after accounting for that)

In short silver requires less cash upfront and has more upside.

I've got 40 ounces silver which is worth around 1200$ or so (heard on the news the other day silver was up to 30/ounce but may have retreated since then) , i did have 1/2 ounce gold but sold it for a small profit about 5 months ago to help buy a new PC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4420 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 14:15:29
December 12 2010 14:09 GMT
#66
On December 12 2010 20:38 funk100 wrote:
best time to buy gold was when the chancellor of england decided it was time to sell it off in 1999, as you can see from the graph gold prices were at there lowest point as such a vast amount of gold went on the market.

gorden brown is pretty silly, with hindsight.

The man was keynesian through and through , a complete idiot.
Still in the scheme of things the gold wasn't worth much in comparison to how much they paid to bail out the banks.


The price of gold fluctuates around an inflation corrected mean. If you buy gold when it's far above its mean (like now or 1980) and hold it, there is a good chance you will *never* make an inflation corrected profit. The people who bought in 1980 are still like 600$/oz away from inflation corrected break-even.
Sorry but until the US raises rates i see gold only going one way.
And having your money in something like gold is a heck of a lot better than keeping it in cash when theres high inflation around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
stanik
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada213 Posts
December 12 2010 14:15 GMT
#67
On December 12 2010 14:28 reg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2010 14:13 stanik wrote:
These graphs are not the same. They are actually very similar looking execpt one is 1973-2010 and the other is 1900-2004.


I know... I even said so in my post. Thats the point. Gold is on a steady increase despite what happened in 'X' year.


My point was one of the graphs are not accurate. Take a look at 1993. One graph says a value of 400 and the other graph says 1000.

Someone labeled the graphs inaccurately.
Hatsu
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom474 Posts
December 12 2010 14:16 GMT
#68
I have traded commodities for a few years now, gold is a great store of of wealth and a wonderful hedge against currency risk but if you wanna make significant amounts of money in commodities I would rather look at silver (or platinum, or palladium). If you have the knwoledge and education to trade them, that is, as they are volatile (which makes them profitable but also risky).

Gold, however, is and always will be a core holding of my portfolio. In the end of the day, a good mix of commodities, bonds, shares and currencies is what you should be looking for imho.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4420 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-12 14:23:01
December 12 2010 14:22 GMT
#69
On December 12 2010 19:10 TheGiftedApe wrote:
All The people who bought gold in 1980 and then sold i in 1983 haev a lesson to teach you about economics.

Also you are about 7 years late for the gold rush.......

Do a little research on a guy called 'Paul Volcker' and what he did during the early 80s to get inflation under control.

If Bernanke ever lifts interest rates to 20% i'll eat me hat.
It'll never happen in a million years but thats the only thing that'll drop the price of gold now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Blix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands873 Posts
December 12 2010 14:29 GMT
#70
On December 12 2010 23:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
The price of gold fluctuates around an inflation corrected mean. If you buy gold when it's far above its mean (like now or 1980) and hold it, there is a good chance you will *never* make an inflation corrected profit. The people who bought in 1980 are still like 600$/oz away from inflation corrected break-even.
Sorry but until the US raises rates i see gold only going one way.
And having your money in something like gold is a heck of a lot better than keeping it in cash when theres high inflation around.


There are other investment choices besides cash and gold. Also, there isn't any high inflation around (yet?).

It is possible that gold will go higher in the near future (so for a speculator it might be interesting), but i don't see how an inflation corrected profit can be made over say the next decade (investing point of view).

Conquer yourself not the world. - Descartes
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4420 Posts
December 12 2010 14:36 GMT
#71
What does better than precious metals in periods of very high inflation and possible currency collapse?

It hasn;t even been the public driving the rise in gold , have you noticed all those cash for gold websites and stands in shopping malls lately? Public is selling gold , it's being bought by investors and reserve banks.Therefore gold is still early in the cycle.
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stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
December 12 2010 14:37 GMT
#72
The only profit in gold is knowing what gold should be worth compared to what it costs to buy and sell. So either you need better understanding about its value than the people you are trading with or you need a crystal ball that lets you divine future events.

Good things about gold:
- good amount of value compared to weight and size.
- It doesn't spoil.
- It's shiny.
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
December 12 2010 15:09 GMT
#73
On December 12 2010 12:58 mainerd wrote:
my friend inherited some money and has been buying silver and copper, he seems to think them better investments than gold

he likes to trade with people for their penny hordes, sort the copper pennies out into their own container, then use the newer pennies to buy more unsorted pennies from ppl... he's got a nice bucket full of shiny coins so far


Haha not only is that probably a waste of his time as far as returns go, but if he tries to melt down those pennies it's a federal offense :O
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
December 12 2010 17:56 GMT
#74
On December 12 2010 23:15 stanik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2010 14:28 reg wrote:
On December 12 2010 14:13 stanik wrote:
These graphs are not the same. They are actually very similar looking execpt one is 1973-2010 and the other is 1900-2004.


I know... I even said so in my post. Thats the point. Gold is on a steady increase despite what happened in 'X' year.


My point was one of the graphs are not accurate. Take a look at 1993. One graph says a value of 400 and the other graph says 1000.

Someone labeled the graphs inaccurately.


reg's graph is actually the Dow Jones Index on a logarithmic scale.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
December 12 2010 18:48 GMT
#75
I actually really hate the fact that gold is traded as a precious metal commodity since I'm trying to use it right now to synthesize some gold-coated nanoparticles and it's mad expensive.
Hatsu
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom474 Posts
December 12 2010 18:55 GMT
#76
On December 13 2010 03:48 sikyon wrote:
I actually really hate the fact that gold is traded as a precious metal commodity since I'm trying to use it right now to synthesize some gold-coated nanoparticles and it's mad expensive.


If it makes you feel better, other metals such as iridium skyrocketed even more, it's not just precious metals.
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BeaSteR
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden328 Posts
December 12 2010 18:57 GMT
#77
Why would u buy when prices are that high? I would wait for it to fall. Invest in good company stocks instead.
Greed is good
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 12 2010 18:59 GMT
#78
Gold is always a bubble that goes back down.. look at a graph of the price of gold adjusted for inflation.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
December 12 2010 19:02 GMT
#79
On December 12 2010 13:39 WAAA wrote:
I like how the graph doesnt deal in real dollars... my advice is if you have to ask a gaming forum do not invest in anything.

Wisest comment in this thread.
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 12 2010 19:05 GMT
#80
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Gold is basically worthless, it has few industrial uses. People invest in it because they think the dollar is worthless too, but if the dollar goes to shit its not like you can actually go to the supermarket and buy food with your gold. Its based on pure speculation (Currently speculation about the euro/dollar failing) and as soon as thats over, gold prices will CRASH.
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