Are stalkers really useful? - Page 6

On November 18 2010 17:57 Tobberoth wrote:
Compare the stalker to the hydra instead of to the roach and you'll see that stalkers are pretty nice. Not only are hydras T2 and more expensive than stalkers, they are also way slower, way less durable and can never learn to blink.

Protoss often consider their AA weak... but they have a better hydralisk as a T1 unit. I wouldn't mind roach being as expensive as a stalker, but they better get the ability to shoot air then, which is a huge bonus to any unit.

On November 18 2010 13:28 GoldenH wrote:


Its true, Roaches can't shoot up, but think about it.

Both Terran/Zerg get their armored anti-armored ground unit at T1. Protoss waits until T2 (IMMORTALS!). Immortals surprisingly, don't counter either of the other armored anti-armored ground units, and are worse in other ways, but they are even against those units.

But one of Protoss' T1 units is still Armor. D:

And actually, the roaches can catch the stalkers on Creep, its just, they can't really be aggressive with them until they get Roach Speed, then they're faster than stalkers off Creep too, but Stalkers have Blink so they can run away, but actually, that's not fast enough because the upgrade makes Roaches so incredibly fast on creep and late game they'll probably have a huge amount of the map covered in it..

This is a bigger deal than it may seem. If you're at your base, it doesn't really matter if you can chase them or not, you're not going to because you'll get flanked and lose. As long as you can keep up with them, you're good.

If you're at their opponents base, and they run away, you just go "SWEET" and kill all their probes, gg. Ever seen 3 roaches in probe line, if they focus fire, they one shot probes.

In the middle, before blink/roach speed stalkers are probably better, well, at least they WERE, until the range 4 upgrade. Now you can't kite them anymore so you just have to trade armies, guess that's better than trading probes.



Neither of which give you map control, they give you a pin to the opponents base for about ~3 minutes, which is enough to get an expo up or some tech out (actually, the other tech you NEED TO SURVIVE, since you already paid tech time to get Stalkers or Phoenix out in the first place. If your harassment was predicted, you die instantly.)



Yup, though phoenix is actually terrible against battlecruiser/viking with marine support/corruptiors/brood lords. So you gotta get Stalkers in some situations, Carrier/Void Ray can be as good, but its pretty risky.



Yup.



Yeah, you're wrong in the point where you think they actually fill any role. It's easy to say, "Well, Stalkers prevent you from being kited," but that only works if the opponent thinks they're being prevented from kiting, if they just kite anyway, you lose. "Stalkers protect you from Air." Not if they actually commit to it, 2 port banshees or 3 base muta will crush any number of Stalkers. "Stalkers harass the opponent." Only for an amount of time it takes to get blink, and even then, only if they weren't ready for it, and unlike most harass options Stalkers don't make a good addition to your army.

Stalker's one saving grace is that they can be built from warpgates and you need them for zealot/sentry. So if your opponent just pushes into your base with 1 too many air unit you can make it even with a round of stalkers. That's it tho.

On November 18 2010 20:42 Digamma wrote:


Why do people like you try to talk when your ignorant. Stalker is 125/50, hydra is 100/50. More expensive? You talk about the lower mobility and health but fail to mention the higher dps. Plus the potential for speed increase via creep. No bias here huh.