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wxwx
527 Posts
For every trash-talking famous player that you name, there is one who is humble and lets their play do the talking. The play is what fans are tuning in for. If you want drama you are at the wrong place. Go watch some of the reality shit on MTV. You make me ashamed to be american. | ||
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SonKiE
United States167 Posts
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ploy
United States416 Posts
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
On September 17 2010 07:24 SonKiE wrote: if manner mattered, you all would hate idra I would vouch that a lot of people do, for that precise reason. I know I do. | ||
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Dreadwolf
Canada220 Posts
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
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yoshi_yoshi
United States440 Posts
Edit: not that I support bad manners, but it's the internet... who cares. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32051 Posts
On September 17 2010 06:59 Raevin wrote: Im not surprised you cant see it, since i spelled it out for you: People love Flash and he isent BM at all, just as they love alot of these players. Not only that but these players make a killer amount of money, something i think IdrA definatly would like one day, otherwise what is he doing in Korea right? Conclusion: Its possible to make alot of money in Korea without being a assclown, because people will watch the games without "intarnat dramaz lol" Do i need to explain it further or is it sinking in? You said people love flash because he's a good player. That has absolutely nothing to do with his manners. It's totally and completely separate.... Not to mention that FBH's antics were considered by some to be 'bm' and he certainly had a lot of appeal. So whatever straw you're grasping at there is just totally wrong too. There's a major disconnect between what you're apparently thinking and what you're saying and the funny thing is that neither of them have to do with anything the op said about how trash talking makes the game more personal and would therefore be even more appealing to American fans. | ||
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blacktoss
United States121 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On September 17 2010 06:53 awesomoecalypse wrote: There is a difference...but the Starcraft community doesn't tend to acknowledge it. In the eyes of a lot of fans, its all just "BM". For example In a game against the Denver Nuggets, Michael Jordan once stepped to the foul line and told rookie Dikembe Mutombo that he would shoot the free throw with his eyes closed. Before he did, he looked at Mutombo and said, “This one’s for you.” Then he closed his eyes, hit the shot and told Mutombo, “Welcome to the NBA.” In another game, agains thte Utah Jazz, Jordan dunked on some small guard. Utah owner Larry Miller at courtside yelled for Jordan to “pick on someone your own size.” Shortly thereafter, Jordan dunked over seven-footer Mel Turpin. “He big enough for you!” Jordan shot back. That is how a champion trash talks. He looks someone in the eye, tells them exactly how he's gonna kick their ass, and does it. But, I'm sure a lot of people would just criticise Jordan for "BM". When has IdrA or any other example done anything like that? | ||
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Raevin
246 Posts
"Hey (some name from other team), fuck you!" Do you know where WoW arena pro scene is now? People doing PvP is at all time low, several community websites have to be closed down such as worldofming.com, simply because people lost interest and nobody wants to watch such behaviour. That site lost viewership because the content by the "bloggers" was focused on trash talking and smearing others, yet it soared with success 2 years ago when it talked about the actual game, giving people tips on arena and just being a positive place to be. If Teamliquid decided to have people write blogs about how shitty [insert_player] is and how stupid they are while using stupid 4chan memes and other childish behaviour i can guarrantie you they lose alot of the community they have built up. | ||
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RabidLlama
5 Posts
No one is saying that without trash talking, we wouldn't enjoy sports. But having some trash talkers mixed in with the humble players makes for better viewing. And after all, why are we watching sports? To be entertained. | ||
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SonKiE
United States167 Posts
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denzelz
United States604 Posts
The only way e-sports is going to be taken seriously by the general public (aka garner corporate sponsorships and money) is if this game is played by professionals who will represent the companies in a professional way. I'm sorry but Idra is not a good representation of a progamer. He can be as good as he wants to be skill-wise but he is not helping the game move forward in terms of its acceptance for people outside the gaming community. | ||
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Ksyper
Bulgaria665 Posts
But I just find it annoying on a higher level, it's just not something I want to see in SC2. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32051 Posts
On September 17 2010 07:28 Raevin wrote: Did anyone catch MLG WoW Arena? At one point, a player from a team said "Hey (some name from other team), fuck you!" Do you know where WoW arena pro scene is now? People doing PvP is at all time low, several community websites have to be closed down such as worldofming.com, simply because people lost interest and nobody wants to watch such behaviour. That site lost viewership because the content by the "bloggers" was focused on trash talking and smearing others, yet it soared with success 2 years ago when it talked about the actual game, giving people tips on arena and just being a positive place to be. If Teamliquid decided to have people write blogs about how shitty [insert_player] is and how stupid they are while using stupid 4chan memes and other childish behaviour i can guarrantie you they lose alot of the community they have built up. You're trying to say that because someone said Fuck You in a game: * The WoW pro scene collapsed * People have decided PvP isn't interesting * worldofming.com closed simply because of this Awesome logic there. You do realize that the amount of people who'd like to watch any kind of competitive video game is incredibly small given the size of this country, and those that do typically like FPS and not WoW? Or that the game has aged very much since two years ago, and therefore is likely less appealing... people grow up, move on, new blood does not come in as much. There are so many other halfway logical explanations for those declines, and none start with someone saying FUCK YOU on a MLG tournament. Jesus. | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On September 17 2010 07:27 yoshi_yoshi wrote: I'm baffled by the same question, OP. As far as male-dominated internet communities go, TL is just about the most sensitive I've seen. Edit: not that I support bad manners, but it's the internet... who cares. It's not that we get offended by being called a 'gay cheeser' or something, don't confuse it with sensitivity - it's more the principle that people don't want that to be a part of a game they want to be taken seriously. It kind of falls in to the same category as insulting, backchatting or threatening a referee or even the spectators in a sport - just not part of the game - and this extends to the relationship between players in SC. Like I said I don't want it to be as strict as Korea where they are all timid and mild-mannered and can't even chat in the game outside of 'gg', but I don't think people should just have free reign over what they say - just keep it respectable, a little bit of heckling is fine but don't make it personal. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
Raging at the other player or claiming he only won because of imbalance in the game is not. The reason you don't hear this complaint in football is because there is nothing to balance. Bad referee calls though... yeah, those are HUGE deal in football. | ||
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Raevin
246 Posts
You said people love flash because he's a good player. That has absolutely nothing to do with his manners. It's totally and completely separate.... Im not gonna give up on you, im gonna try to explain it AGAIN: If Flash was a trash talking BMer, most people in korea would not find that interesting nor want to watch his matches, regardless of how good he is. Do you understand that? Koreans do not tolerate bad behaviour in any aspects of their lives, this is not some exclusive online gaming thing, they dont tolerate that in their media, television, press anything. They find it disrespectful and lacking in honor and grace. Not to mention that FBH's antics were considered by some to be 'bm' and he certainly had a lot of appeal. So whatever straw you're grasping at there is just totally wrong too. By some yea, and yet they really werent BM, they were BM compared to the 100% positive and happy mode of others, if a player sneezed he was "BM" compared to others. BM are clear insults of others, im 100% convinced a player doing this in korea would be booted out of any league or tournament. There's a major disconnect between what you're apparently thinking and what you're saying and the funny thing is that neither of them have to do with anything the op said about how trash talking makes the game more personal and would therefore be even more appealing to American fans. Sadly you own americans dont all agree, if this was the case then Halo would be bigger in USA than BW is in Korea as the constant trash talk even amongst "pros" would propell the game to be bigger than NFL. I dont think most americans want to listen to the N word, the F word and the S word being said multiple times during a game. Maybe i give americans too much credit but i honestly dont believe that | ||
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