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dthree
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia150 Posts
August 23 2010 21:29 GMT
#101
I have a macro to type 'gg wp ' i think i should stop using it.
Easy772
Profile Joined May 2010
374 Posts
August 23 2010 21:29 GMT
#102
I guess I'll unplug my g19 until I know that its safe to use

"The best way to improve is to play one matchup on one map doing one strategy.. if you are good at one strategy you are a good player, if you are okay at many strategies you are an okay player at best" -Day[9] 181
terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
August 23 2010 21:33 GMT
#103
I don't think people should use macro keyboards but on the same token there are plenty of other things that can impact the game other than simple keyboards.
My friend came over to my house recently when he came into town for a bit. It only took him 1 game on large moniter to notice a significant difference between it and his smaller monitor. The fact that theres that little bit of the screen that you can see at one point can mean the difference between pulling back in time or not.
It may not be a tremendous advantage but stuff like this will always exist. 2 people of even skill same equipment and then one buys a better mouse that scrolls a lot more accurately or what not and then he starts winning more of his games.

As far as ladder goes people should get to use the equipment they want (as long as it doesn't include hacking). But in tournaments they should make sure everyone is on even footing.
"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it." - Thomas Sowell
~Matthias
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada56 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-23 21:42:09
August 23 2010 21:41 GMT
#104
I had a friend who would set up entire grinding systems on WoW using the g15 macros. He would go to school, and his character would be grinding and looting all day. He would do it in his sleep, for battlegrounds too.

The power of macros is seriously daunting when you get into it. He set up the system on my g15 as well.

EDIT: Typo
I attend church Sunday to Thursday at 7pm PST on day9.tv
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
August 23 2010 21:43 GMT
#105
Here's the email from blizzard lol it's safe to use any macro keyboard

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9687/macros.png
[image loading]

Someone mind updating the OP?
G4MR | I mod day9, djwheat and GLHF's stream
Easy772
Profile Joined May 2010
374 Posts
August 23 2010 21:59 GMT
#106
On August 24 2010 06:43 Merikh wrote:
Here's the email from blizzard lol it's safe to use any macro keyboard

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9687/macros.png
[image loading]

Someone mind updating the OP?


What a relief.. Would hate to have to unplug my 150 dollar keyboard because of this.
"The best way to improve is to play one matchup on one map doing one strategy.. if you are good at one strategy you are a good player, if you are okay at many strategies you are an okay player at best" -Day[9] 181
MacroNcheesE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States508 Posts
August 23 2010 22:06 GMT
#107
I would like to have seen a stern warning, very stern. But, i love that they are going to ban people with the macro shit. It's certainly cheating when other players are beating the hell out of their keyboards while trying to keep up with your single button.
Doubt is the venom that has paralyzed humanity.
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
August 23 2010 22:15 GMT
#108
Also I just confirmed again:

[image loading]
G4MR | I mod day9, djwheat and GLHF's stream
Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
August 23 2010 22:22 GMT
#109
On August 24 2010 07:15 Merikh wrote:
Also I just confirmed again:

[image loading]


man are these real? horrible grammar from blizz staff if so.
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-23 22:26:00
August 23 2010 22:24 GMT
#110
On August 24 2010 07:22 Tropics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2010 07:15 Merikh wrote:
Also I just confirmed again:

[image loading]


man are these real? horrible grammar from blizz staff if so.


Straight from the support page, unless they let randoms answer their emails from the official contact page.

Also wtf is wrong with his/her spelling? lol
G4MR | I mod day9, djwheat and GLHF's stream
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
August 23 2010 22:26 GMT
#111
On August 24 2010 04:49 Lighioana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2010 04:00 SOCOMICEPICK wrote:
" Third party hardware that creates an unfair advantage"

I bet they are referring to maphack.

hardware =/= software.
Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-23 22:29:05
August 23 2010 22:26 GMT
#112
The policy is similar to Blizzard's world of warcraft policy: "one keystroke = one action". Here is a discussion with GMs about autohotkey and the G15 keyboard on the wow forums from (http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t25906-autohotkey_thread/).


+ Show Spoiler +
AHK is not a program prohibited by Blizzard. However, some of its functions are prohibited by Blizzard. It's very similar to the policy on the G15 keyboard. You cannot use AHK or the G15 keyboard to spam a single key -- even if you are sitting at the keyboard and just want to prevent your finger from falling off. However, there has been no blue post prohibiting using AHK to multi-box. And as always, you can use a G15 keyboard to see who is talking in vent, have more keys to bind to macros, etc.

Here's the best blue response I've seen so far on the issue:
Show nested quote +

WoW Forums -> Seeking Blue clarification: key repeating


Hello Blizzard,

After unsuccessfully attempting to get clarification via an in-game ticket, I would like to see if the rules can be clarified regarding key repeating software. In light of recent bans, it is unclear what is or isn't allowed, and bearing in mind the majority of players want to follow the rules, it would be of great help if a statement could be made regarding key repeating software.

Previously, the apparent community understanding had been: if it doesn't automate gameplay, and requires you to be present at the keyboard playing the game, then it is legal. It seems with recent bans, this may not actually be the case.

My specific question is: is it okay to use software (or hardware drivers, or external hardware devices) that continually repeat ("spam") a key bound in-game to a macro or ability while another key is held down and while a player is present at the keyboard playing the game? For Hunters, for instance, spamming our shot rotation macro. I'm sure other classes have similar needs, perhaps not 10-20 times per second like a Hunter, but the same idea. Many aspects of the game make key spamming desirable, but is it legitimate to use external drivers/software to achieve it?

I'd love to not have to break my keyboard, fingers, and wrist to achieve maximum DPS, but I would also hate to wake up one morning and find I was banned for using a repeater. Please help myself and other Hunters follow the rules


Show nested quote +

This is not okay. One hardware function = one action, according to standard macro rules. A hardware function is a keypress (including press/release) associated with movement and an ability/item. Obviously, our default macro rules enable you to use 'modifying' trinkets or abilities, such as nature's swiftness, plus a single spell all in a single press.

To clarify: No, you may not use hardware or software to auto-spam your shot rotations - period.


Show nested quote +

The G15 has been supported by Blizzard in the past, I must have missed it when they changed their minds.


Show nested quote +

I use a G15. Using the G15 macro functions to create macros which incorporate delays, or otherwise use multiple abilities that each have a global cooldown on a single keypress has never been supported. It is automation, and is against our policies listed here:

Terms of Use, Part 4, Section B
WoW -> Legal -> Terms of Use

How To Stay In The Game (Part 2 of 2)
http://us.blizzard.com/support/artic...rticleId=21507

This thread in our CS Forum Information Haven!, to which I've replied previously, may help illuminate the issue for you:

G15 Keyboard Legality
WoW Forums -> Need official response regarding Logitech G15
WoW Forums -> G15 keyboard and bans

The G15 may have the ability to continually activate an ability as long as you keep the key pressed but that is not a function that is permitted by our policies.


Assuming the policies between wow and sc2 are similar (and there's no reason to believe sc2 would be any less strict), you can theoretically be banned for any keyboard macroing that results in more than one action per keystroke.

Realistically speaking, you can only be caught if you do something egregious, for example, spamming a macro that jumps you to an average 2000 APM in a match. In those cases, it is likely you'll be caught by blizzard automation or your opponents that look back at your replays and calls shenanigans on your APM.
Keula
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany157 Posts
August 23 2010 22:28 GMT
#113
1. he didnt say what macro he used
2. i say its a lie and hes hiding part of the info.

if he does not post original blizz email in marco i call it a fake
EG fan
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
August 23 2010 22:29 GMT
#114
This happened with a WoW mouse, a blue said yes, the mouse 'can' do it, but you shouldn't and it would get you banned.
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
Defrag
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-23 22:34:47
August 23 2010 22:32 GMT
#115
On August 24 2010 07:15 Merikh wrote:
Also I just confirmed again:

[image loading]


Since when blizzard's employees answer from their personal email addresses assigned to their accounts? lol

Second thing, as far as I can seen besides pathetic fake email, it relates anyway to World Of Warcraft, since the answerer got WOW_GM ( game master ) in his email.
This makes it fake as well, since it's well known that stuff like G5 or mutliboxing are allowed in WOW.

Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
August 23 2010 22:36 GMT
#116
I don't want player-made macros in the game, but if what is said in that thread is too, it seems as if Blizzard has some double standards. In the thread, the guy quotes Blizzard in saying third-party tools specifically aren't allowed, but the new Razer SC2-themed gear (which creates macros) is no problem. Just because they want to push their brand/products doesn't mean they should have double standards
beep beep boop
KhaosKreator
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada145 Posts
August 23 2010 22:38 GMT
#117
Banning people who use macro's is ridiculous. They should get a warning first at the very least, since the policies are not well known.

I am all for banning maphackers and the like right from the get-go though, since those policies are more obvious.
Kyrie, Ignis Divine, Eleison
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
August 23 2010 22:41 GMT
#118
Good. Silly dumbfucks using macros for SC2 is something I am glad to hear is not going unnoticed. "Something simple like replacing 2 buttons with 1"? What about: Pressing 2 buttons like the rest of us? Replacing 2 buttons with 1 sounds like a small thing, but I'd say its a lot more in the grand scheme of things. It cuts key presses in half in that situation..
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
August 23 2010 22:44 GMT
#119
2nd Post by that person:

"Thanks everyone for the support. I finalized everything with blizzard this morning. they can't unban a key for some odd reason but they are sending me a refund for the game. Luckily the first one was a digital download from their website and i saved all the info for the purchase.

my new key (from gamestop) has been linked to my now unbanned email and real ID.

My campaign and multiplayer achievements and rank are all wiped. I have to replay campaign and do all the guide 1-2 and 3 achievments all over.

luckily my gold challanges were still there although it says not completed for them all instead of giving me my best time or whatever when you mouse over them.

but thats pretty much the end of that.

I sent them an email asking how they endorse their own macro keyboards and not 3rd party. i sent that email saturday, still no respose. and every other email i sent about the account has gotten a 0min response.

edit the damn heart is supposed to be less than 30"

So it looks like he did get a refund, but macros are not allowed.
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
August 23 2010 22:53 GMT
#120
On August 24 2010 07:24 Merikh wrote:
Also wtf is wrong with his/her spelling? lol

Seriously?

first email:
macro's --> macros
Its --> It's
cant --> can't (I know, people drop apostrophes, but he clearly doesn't know how to use them across the board)
also, could change "must have to" to "have to"; this one's debatable, and is a matter of style rather than spelling or grammar

second email:
your --> you're

Anyway, on topic, thanks for getting the clarification.
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