EPT"Rape" and Game Culture - Page 29
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
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XothermeK
United Arab Emirates245 Posts
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
Well I hate to come off as callous and a complete asshole, but my personal philosophy is that language only has whatever meaning you assign to it. When people use the term "rape" as in to "utterly own their opponent", that is just them using language to communicate their apparent superiority. Yes, words have the meaning we assign to them. What you, in your "callous and a complete asshole" fortress fail to realize is that different people assign different meanings to them. If you intend to communicate concept A to someone, but use a word that the other person interprets as communicates concept B, you have failed to communicate. As the person doing the communicating, it is your responsibility to understand the person to whom you're communicating (whether deliberately or accidentally), so that you can use the proper words and thus be properly understood. Here's the simple fact: if you use the word "rape" in the context of a competitive victory, then you are saying more than just A dominated B. You are saying that sexual assault is as important and serious a matter as a sport. You're saying that sexual assault isn't particularly important, and victims of actual rape should just do what victims of videogame rape do: walk it off and try again. I know that you (probably) don't mean to say these things. But what you mean to say is irrelevant; only what you actually say matters. Just like what you intend to do doesn't make up for not doing it. So if you do not wish to communicate this idea, then use the proper words to communicate exactly what you want and nothing more. I understand it can upset some people, but there are certain points where I'm going to stop worrying about things for fear of hurting certain minority of peoples. Right. Because the thing that people who have been raped need to feel is victimized by society itself. They need society to constantly tell them that the crime perpetrated against their body is equivalent to someone beating someone else in a videogame. That should put their rape in perspective.  On August 14 2010 04:08 xbankx wrote: Its too embbed to the gaming culture to be removed so its pointless. Its like say "man dt rushes is so gay". I tried to stop but I couldn't stop using the word gay either. Everyone knows what the actual word means and what gamer definition means. Now if you got someone who is gay or who has been raped then don't use it in front of them. Also remember not to use retarded because that is a word that can affect the mentally challenged. We can keep going on. There is no end... Find this post's idea is right but pointless. No end? Really? Alternatives to Retarded: weak, pathetic, idiotic, foolish, vapid, witless, etc. Alternatives to Gay: see Retarded. You say you can't stop using the word gay as a pejorative? It's a habit you shouldn't have started, and it is entirely within your own power to stop. Unless you're saying that you're such a slave to peer pressure and the need to conform In which case, I have to ask you a question: are you in fact a human being, blessed with the gift of free will? Or should you be considered an automaton, a base animal, and therefore not responsible for his actions, but simultaneously not worthy of the rights given to actual human beings? With rights come responsibility. There's an end. If each one of us chooses to abandon these words in favor of other, perfectly functional ones, then this won't be an issue. It is our responsibility as reasonable people to choose what we say, to say what we mean, and only what we mean. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 14 2010 09:35 Parnage wrote: Luckly most of the world and the internet doesn't have to abide by such ideas of avoiding the use of words we do not like. While I can understand why you and others would not want to use the word and its not even a phrase I use I'll fight for a persons right to say it. You can get offended that's fine but don't expect the world or people to bend around to please you. It's just not how I feel things should work. *shrug* However feel free to plug in the phrase "complete and total parnage" when demeaning a player. I think it has a good ring to it. That's completely irrelevant of what he's asking. Stop turning this into a rights issue. It's not. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On August 14 2010 07:43 StarStruck wrote: Guess you missed my posts because I already addressed this. A simple search should suffice. I hate it when people act all arrogant like everything they say is absolute truth and therefore if I don't agree with what you've said, I've missed it. This is what you wanted me to find no? On August 14 2010 06:18 StarStruck wrote: Here's the problem with that. We're talking about amateur sport. What the caster's do on their own streams is their business. It isn't professional. Get that through your head. Sure, they might take it seriously, but the thing is many of us don't. It's something we do in our leisure time for shits, giggles and entertainment purposes. You are taking things out of context. It's purely situational. Many gamers here don't feel the necessity, correction. Let me rephrase that. Don't want, or need to be taken seriously. This whole crusade is ridiculous. Perhaps you've missed out on the point that commentators whether professional or not try to cater to as large a crowd as possible. As such they should try to be as politically correct as possible unless their stream is aimed at being politically incorrect. And maybe you should get through your head that the post you were addressing is focused on commentators and not what gamers do. Acting like he is talking about gamers is just taking things out of context. Day9 has sponsorships, do you think his sponsors would like hearing him use the word rape in every commentary? Do you think that if commentators ever did make it on TV outside Korea it would be ok for them to use vulgar language? I'm trying to be offensive here because I'm trying to show a point: your style of writing is rather condescending. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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TallMax
United States131 Posts
Instead of arguing the merits of self-censorship, which generally has lead nowhere except towards a battle of crappy metaphors and ridiculous hypothetical situations, I'd be interested to hear from anyone who previously used the word rape consistently in their games, but will now try to use it less or not at all. Unfortunately, to do so, you'll probably have to admit to yourself that you were being inexcusably insensitive all along, moreover, you were being insensitive to the degree that the OP makes you out to be at the start of this. This is probably why many people here try to justify it as the culture and free speech. Sure, they're being somewhat insensitive to rape victims, homosexuals, black people, jews, etc. by using slurs and slang in their gaming, they know it, we know it. If you want people to change, however, you really have to make it easy for them mentally, and this is where the OP and many other people who support his views are failing and being hypocritical. Who honestly likes being told what they can and cannot say? Or likes feeling judged for what they say and do? On August 14 2010 03:56 SpicyCrab wrote: So this is just an open letter to TL and really all of gaming. Stop using this word, there are many substitutes which are much less abhorrent. Please understand that rape is a real problem, a real issue, and that it is an emotionally charged word that can cause real emotional damage to those who hear. There is no justification and no excuse for the use of this word in the flippant way that it is thrown around. Just stop. TO BE CLEAR (Since MANY TLers seem to have misunderstood): I am not saying you should be banned for using the word, I am not trying to police your use of the word, I am only asking that you be more mindful of your use of the word and perhaps think twice before you doing so because of the pain and suffering it can cause people and because it makes our community look like a bunch of IDIOTS. That is all. By saying there's no justification and no excuse, you're lecturing people much like their parents would, except here, we really don't have to give a damn what you have to say. Also, you're being hypocritical in declaring that you're not trying to police people's use of the word, yet you're trying to judge these unjustified, inexcusable idiots into agreeing with you. Let people judge themselves, unless you really feel like you can be "The guy who saved all the TLers by preaching the righteous way of being." So, to anyone who wants people to stop using words like "rape," think about how you'd like to be told. I wouldn't try to attack people and force them to believe or do what I want; otherwise, are you really better than the rapists themselves? | ||
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XothermeK
United Arab Emirates245 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 14 2010 10:04 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I hate it when people act all arrogant like everything they say is absolute truth and therefore if I don't agree with what you've said, I've missed it. This is what you wanted me to find no? Perhaps you've missed out on the point that commentators whether professional or not try to cater to as large a crowd as possible. As such they should try to be as politically correct as possible unless their stream is aimed at being politically incorrect. And maybe you should get through your head that the post you were addressing is focused on commentators and not what gamers do. Acting like he is talking about gamers is just taking things out of context. Day9 has sponsorships, do you think his sponsors would like hearing him use the word rape in every commentary? Do you think that if commentators ever did make it on TV outside Korea it would be ok for them to use vulgar language? I'm trying to be offensive here because I'm trying to show a point: your style of writing is rather condescending. What? You're telling amateur streamers what they should do with their own stream? If they aren't getting paid to be professional by someone else and aren't being employed or asked to promote a particular image, then they shouldn't have to. Stop telling people what they should to. Political correctness now when people are just doing things in their leisure time? Amazing. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32269 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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TallMax
United States131 Posts
On August 14 2010 10:07 IntoTheWow wrote: Why is this thread 29 pages long? lol Cause it's worth it, what's wrong with debate? | ||
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KwarK
United States41928 Posts
On August 14 2010 10:21 CTStalker wrote: To keep us occupied, apparently I was really very tempted to close it. But leaving it open actually got a few good pages after we banned everyone. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
I use them, as long as I realize at some point it's part of the normal flow of communication within some culture of its own kind, but I don't forget that a majority of the slang phrases have horrible original meaning which shouldn't be tossed around lightly. At least I have that in mind, while using them. | ||
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HeaveNTiMe
United States104 Posts
yes, sarcasm. Thats why we should keep rape. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
There will always be people using the word, of course, but I applaud the OP in raising awareness of the connotations of this word, and how we play a role in trivializing it in our community. Hopefully you've helped convince people to change their thinking. On August 14 2010 10:25 HeaveNTiMe wrote: let stop using the word Kill then as well... because I know someone who got killed and we use it like it means nothing. I killed 5 zerglings... You murdered something. Use a new word, Kill doesn't belong in games... yes, sarcasm. Thats why we should keep rape. Whereas I can prove to you that in starcraft, my goal is to kill all your units, and destroy your base, I doubt you can show me that starcraft has anything to do with rape. | ||
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catamorphist
United States297 Posts
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Branch.AUT
Austria853 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:06 FabledIntegral wrote: It's connotatively completely different. I understand it can upset some people, but there are certain points where I'm going to stop worrying about things for fear of hurting certain minority of peoples. Honestly, this is just another thread preaching political correctness. While I think it has its merits, I think we've all gone overboard on trying to prevent people from having to moderate everything they say because it might be offensive. ^ This | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
edit: please, every one of you accusing the OP, and all those who agree with his sentiments, of 'political correctness' watch this. | ||
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