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On July 25 2010 04:33 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 17:48 kzn wrote:Nicotine - WikipediaCan people stop spouting this nonsense that nicotine has no positive effects? Its a mood-altering substance, same as weed, alcohol, cocaine, meth, caffeine, and a massive list of other substances. Some people like having their mood altered, and for some people the risk smoking presents is worth it. Every decision you make in life is a cost/benefit analysis. There is no right decision in any case - there are only right decisions for an individual. Sorry but I've done a lot of drugs, cigarettes don't do anything to me, if there are any effects they're extremely, extremely, minute. Also both my father and mother are heavy heavy smokers, tried this electronic cigarette thing for awhile, both failed. I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm just disappointed because the person at the store here was sounding as enthusiastic as you are about it attackzerg, and was promising all sorts of stuff, and.... nothing. My mom still smokes a billion cigars, and my dad still smokes a billion cigarettes, both have been trying to quit for countless years now. They've spent countless dollars on patches, gum, even a help line. Sigh
OH HEY GUYS IF IT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR ME IT MUST NOT DO ANYTHING FOR ANYONE ELSE IN THE SIX BILLION+ POP ON THIS PLANET.
fgsfds
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On July 25 2010 06:12 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 04:33 PanN wrote:On July 24 2010 17:48 kzn wrote:Nicotine - WikipediaCan people stop spouting this nonsense that nicotine has no positive effects? Its a mood-altering substance, same as weed, alcohol, cocaine, meth, caffeine, and a massive list of other substances. Some people like having their mood altered, and for some people the risk smoking presents is worth it. Every decision you make in life is a cost/benefit analysis. There is no right decision in any case - there are only right decisions for an individual. Sorry but I've done a lot of drugs, cigarettes don't do anything to me, if there are any effects they're extremely, extremely, minute. Also both my father and mother are heavy heavy smokers, tried this electronic cigarette thing for awhile, both failed. I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm just disappointed because the person at the store here was sounding as enthusiastic as you are about it attackzerg, and was promising all sorts of stuff, and.... nothing. My mom still smokes a billion cigars, and my dad still smokes a billion cigarettes, both have been trying to quit for countless years now. They've spent countless dollars on patches, gum, even a help line. Sigh OH HEY GUYS IF IT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR ME IT MUST NOT DO ANYTHING FOR ANYONE ELSE IN THE SIX BILLION+ POP ON THIS PLANET. fgsfds
Cigarettes don't do anything to me. Sorry that my statement offended you so awfully much.
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hey do you own the one in san jose? if so discount for TL people?
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On July 25 2010 06:12 kzn wrote:
OH HEY GUYS IF IT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR ME IT MUST NOT DO ANYTHING FOR ANYONE ELSE IN THE SIX BILLION+ POP ON THIS PLANET.
fgsfds
It doesn't do much unless you really want to quit. Electronic cigarettes, patches, nicotine gum - all the same. It doesn't work. Weird you flipped out like that lol, OP is trying to advertise, nothing wrong with that. Maybe someone will find those useful - placebo is a strong tool after all.
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On July 25 2010 06:53 News wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 06:12 kzn wrote:
OH HEY GUYS IF IT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR ME IT MUST NOT DO ANYTHING FOR ANYONE ELSE IN THE SIX BILLION+ POP ON THIS PLANET.
fgsfds It doesn't do much unless you really want to quit. Electronic cigarettes, patches, nicotine gum - all the same. It doesn't work. Weird you flipped out like that lol, OP is trying to advertise, nothing wrong with that. Maybe someone will find those useful - placebo is a strong tool after all.
Yeah man chill out. You need to be put in the chilldog.
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On July 25 2010 06:51 jaw wrote:
hey do you own the one in san jose? if so discount for TL people?
The Valley fair one yes.
Discount yes.
Cheaper then the cheap shit on the internet. No way.
=)
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grats man. I smoked for 5 years but was able to quit cold turkey w/o anything and felt no withdrawal symptoms. I think it just comes down to genuinely not wanting to smoke anymore. Most people say their trying to quit but in reality they enjoy it and don't want to.
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On July 25 2010 06:53 News wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 06:12 kzn wrote:
OH HEY GUYS IF IT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR ME IT MUST NOT DO ANYTHING FOR ANYONE ELSE IN THE SIX BILLION+ POP ON THIS PLANET.
fgsfds It doesn't do much unless you really want to quit. Electronic cigarettes, patches, nicotine gum - all the same. It doesn't work. Weird you flipped out like that lol, OP is trying to advertise, nothing wrong with that. Maybe someone will find those useful - placebo is a strong tool after all.
I don't think you read the post I was responding to.
Or the post it was responding to either.
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Your addiction to cigarettes hasn't been fought if you're still stuck on nicotine. You're paying more $ to regain your lung health (which is good), but until you fight the nicotine addiction itself you're still in danger of relapse (when your $ runs out).
You have to gradually lower your intake and find alternative life-affirming habits to replace your cravings (jogging is a good start). There is no cheap substitute for willpower.
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On July 25 2010 09:10 mmp wrote:
Your addiction to cigarettes hasn't been fought if you're still stuck on nicotine. You're paying more $ to regain your lung health (which is good), but until you fight the nicotine addiction itself you're still in danger of relapse (when your $ runs out).
There are a number of cheap, non-smoking alternatives to cigarettes, not counting electronic cigarettes.
There is also no guarantee that the OP will run out of money.
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On July 25 2010 09:13 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 09:10 mmp wrote:
Your addiction to cigarettes hasn't been fought if you're still stuck on nicotine. You're paying more $ to regain your lung health (which is good), but until you fight the nicotine addiction itself you're still in danger of relapse (when your $ runs out). There are a number of cheap, non-smoking alternatives to cigarettes, not counting electronic cigarettes. There is also no guarantee that the OP will run out of money.
Honestly compared to my 2,100 dollar a year habit, one that costs 200 is very very affordable.
I will never run out of money again!!
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Those electric cigarettes suck ass dude, I tried them but they dont work. Sorry to ruin this whole parade but yeah.
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Mine works amazing and consistently.
If you have one and want it to work like a camp pm me.
I'm a wizard with these things.
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daw
In Canada, as of March 2009, imports, sales, and advertising are banned. In March 2009, Health Canada also advised Canadians not to purchase or use any electronic smoking products. Health Canada cited the Food and Drugs Act, stating that electronic smoking products containing nicotine require market authorization before they can be imported, marketed, or sold. No market authorization has been granted for any electronic smoking product.[19]
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Quitting after 7 years is extremely difficult no matter how you do it, congrats!
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On July 25 2010 11:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Quitting after 7 years is extremely difficult no matter how you do it, congrats!
Thank you!
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Congrats man. My grandmother has been smoking since she was twelve and I don't see her stopping at any point, though I wish she could. Keep it up.
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On July 24 2010 17:49 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 15:52 waffling1 wrote:
r u serious?
of course u dont' have withdrawals... ur not quitting nicotine!
u really think those vapors are absolutely innert and have no effect on you?
ppl on the patch may just as well say "i quit smoking" too.
the real goal of the patch, or any other form of alternative nicotine is to wean down on it. a lesser goal would just be to keep taking the nicotine while avoiding the cigarette chemicals, but that's not really quitting. stop making it sound like u quit.
why do u think the E-cig is being all hyped if it's main thing is to deliver the nicotine? there's already a nicotine deliverer without the other chemicals of cigarettes. the nicotine patch. the answer is that it's more profitable than the patch. and it's not that hard for companies to get doctors on board for promotion.
also, ppl have too much faith in the bearers of science. science is all sound and dandy, but the people regularly twist, obscure, hide, data, studies, and conclusions. exmaples : aspartame, glutamate, NSAIDs, holding back laetrile on faulty grounds, etc etc etc. I say again, do u really think that vapor is innert and harmless?
u know a few decades ago scientists and doctors were promoting ozone inhaling? they had ozone generating machines and whatnot.
doctors also recommended smoking the old fashioned cigarettes too.
congrats for not truly quitting, and getting suckered into paying more than you need to pay for nicotine.
1) buy patch instead.
2) eventually quit the patch.
3) save $$$
4) enjoy true health.
i know my tone isn't very nice but u do what u want with the info.
commendations on the decision for regular jogging. that's something everyone, regardless of smoking status can do. Thank god most people on this website are smart. I can tell you are not. From a perspective not developed in space but in reality I bring you truth. The Electronic Cigarette rewrites thousands of years of history of smoking tobacco, hash, hookah, marijuana. Now using technology which has existed in the marijuana world for years to the tobacco world changes the game. I fucking love smoking. I like nicotine, nicotine does not give me cancer, nicotine is a lot like caffeine. The Electronic Cigarette allows me to eliminate 4,012 (some odd) chemicals AND maintain my personally satisfying luxury. Also I'm at the Modesto location, I'm meeting with doctors for Kaiser smoking cessation next week. The patch has a terrible rate and is horribly expensive. smoke51.com the brand that I sell, is backed with a lifetime warranty on the fucking hardware. ALL YOU BUY IS REFILLS WHICH YOU CAN EVEN MAKE YOURSELF. In my store they are $0.60 a pack. The local valley here in Modesto is plagued with asthma. The local Pulmonary Doctors claim that not only does the product have no effect long term but THAT IS IT SAVING LIVES. The facts are this. If you become addicted to cigarettes at anytime in your life and then quit. After fifteen years of tobacco sobriety you have a 25% of ........... not smoking again. The odds are against everyone. This is a $200 billion dollar industry that is causing a cyclone of actions that deplete the poor, disease the poor, and make the rich richer. This allows you to have your cake and eat it too. It is the evolution of smoking, from fire and smoke to Lithium ion battery, atomizer, liquid cartridge, vapor. Don't believe the hype? This product frees tobacco addiction and compared to a pack cigarettes a day for a year, you save (in my currency at five dollars a pack per day is 1825) about fifteen hundred your first year and 1675 or so your second year. Plus the whole .... priceless better air and life. Sorry man but you need to actually live and understand the implications of products before you narrow minded demiss them compared to conventional cessation devices. This device is used for a lot more then cessation, it is fucking amazing recreation boy.
He's right. I mean, congrats and all about quitting real cigs, because those are fucking disgusting. That's still an admirable thing to quit—I know plenty of people who tried and failed, and even going from cigs to electronics is progress... just not quitting. But the addiction to stoges is primarily the nicotine first and smoking second.
Yes, there's a fuckload of shit in the tobbaco version that rapes your lungs and the rest of your body that you've eliminated. But you're out of your mind if you don't think that a highly concentrated form of liquid nicotine will not do anything to your body. Look up the effects of nicotine. Your bloodvessels are probably like an old rubberband that's been near stretched to the point of breaking 1000x over.
You make mention of it being a recreational luxury in a later post (I hate stoges but I love cigars/hookah, so I get where you're coming from) but in the op you say 'there is a way out of certain lung cancer'—you're half passing this off as a completely healthy activity when it's nothing of the sort.
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