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On July 07 2010 02:40 Tray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:35 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:33 Tray wrote:On July 07 2010 02:26 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:23 sikyon wrote:Yea those "simple" solutions will probably work. Should YOUR CONSUMERS have to deal with it? No. Plain and simple. I was unaware that the forums were an integral part of my Starcraft II purchase. Personally I am tired of anonimity giving people on the internet the capability to behave like jerks. Besides, a name is not enough information to track someone down. And if you don't like it, don't sign up for the official forums. It's not an integral part, that doesn't add anything to your argument though. A name is plenty to track someone down. It's happened many times. Get name, facebook, use deductive reasoning. If I have to explain any farther down the line then that, then you are just not worth talking to. No one has been able to tell me why just having one name per CD-key is not enough of a deterrent. Please do. A better question is why do you think it's enough to have 1 CD key per name? It certainly didn't do crap to prevent the trolling/spamming on the beta board, why do you think it would prevent anything in retail? It wouldn't. With real names, do to the conerns brought up here, people will think twice about what they post with their real name attached to it. And the people who say they will just come up with a phony name will be in for a rude awakening when they're very quickly banned from the forums because they stick out and then when their account is hacked cannot even retrieve it because the name on it doesn't match their real name. People keep saying they'll do this, but they really won't. It's an empty threat. Most people will attach their real name to their account and just post much less often. Plenty of people have funny sounding REAL names. How is Blizzard going to Sherlock Holmes their way through that one? If this change goes through as described, I will be using a fake name. And that is coming from someone who has never trolled in their life and by Kev. My name is Kevin. It was only an empty threat when the situation wasn't real. Pretty simple. Some people will have real sounding names. They'll be allowed to post under those real sounding names until they get caught trolling, at which point they'll be banned. The problem with the point you're trying to raise is that there is the assumption that someone will make a fake name in order to troll, because honestly, there isn't much reason other than that to use your real name. Since the forums will have much less trolling, those trolls will stick out even more than they do now. People who use fake names and act honestly and appropriately will likely fall under the radar. Either way Blizzard's objective will have succeeded.
There isn't much reason to make an account to troll at all because what you say is tied to your CD key. If they will be allowed to post until they got caught trolling, how is that any different then how things are now? At least in the current implementation I am not forced to give out my real name.
No one has been able to convince me that the result of the battle.net forums would be any different if you were using your real name tied to your CD key, or your alias tied to your CD key. Either way, when you get caught trolling you are banned. So, again, tell me how is it any different.
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On July 07 2010 02:29 Backpack wrote:
Any celebrity doesn't have to worry about people knowing their first/last name, why should I?
Because celebrities make money by...people knowing who they are. You don't. That's the difference.
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This makes it more likely that if I started posting I'd keep posting, cause less retards.
But... I mean... _really_?
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I thought April 1st had already passed? This cannot be serious.
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I doubt they will go through with it after such a negative reaction.
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On July 07 2010 02:42 Origine wrote:
That just sux as hell, Blizz' is mixing up VIRTUAL LIFE and REAL LIFE, 2 different worlds.
I think this is a very interesting statement that kinda gets to the root of the issue.
Why are they two different worlds? Do NBA/NFL/MLS/MLB players live in alternate world?
At all skill levels.. these "games" are "real life" why is SC2 any different?? And even further, why do we want them separated? Wouldn't everybody on TL like to see SC2 rise to the same level of pro sports? Why force it into a virtual box then?
Recognize that "your name here" is a SC2 player and not just "your fake name here"
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I know everyone is saying oh don't be afraid or who cares ... do you understand what you can do to someone using their name and a picture which you could easily mine from the net if they were not careful ONE time ?
Now imagine someone over the internet mad at you because you made them feel kind of stupid, they sit there behind proxies creating a fake you a horrible person and easily ruin your life.
This is just crazy, it really is. Facebook is a perfect example of that, how many people have had their life literally shattered because FB security failed to protect them or because they thought it would be ok to let some information be out the in the web.
Just think about it, why would you deal with all of this when you can just stand up with the other people say no and hope for them to not do this.
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On July 07 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:13 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:12 0neder wrote:On July 07 2010 02:04 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Actually this makes it so there's a chance that I would post on the forums. They are a cesspool right now. Adding some accountability is a change in the right direction.
Nony is a wise man. It's interesting to see how from TLers' reactions, many are nothing more than elitist, more educated versions of bnet forum-goers. You can have accountability in plenty of ways other then giving out your personal information. Nony has not made any real point. Your first sentence is irrelevant. It's a fact that public discourse has more accountability than private discourse. Their change from private to public is a change toward more accountability. Even if there are other ways to have more accountability, what I said is still perfectly true.
I didn't say what you said wasn't true, I said that it doesn't make "any real point" for or against the use of real names as opposed to an alias. One name and one CD key is going to result in the same amount of moderation whether it is a users real name or not.
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Blizzard forums were next to useless anyway and with this change i will never post there again. Thats hell of a stupid idea blizzard.
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I Don't know if this has been addressed. I think this may end up creating more barriers between gamers through unique names and gender specific names, knowing a players ethnicity or gender can be a pretty powerful thing, give many players the opportunity to act on their prejudices, the fact that people over SC weren't judged based on what they are was a powerful thing. Also my name is very unique and if you type it in facebook I only come up.. To me that is HUUUGE.
I am totally against this.
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motbob
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Well, at least they're TRYING to make their forums usable.
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On July 07 2010 02:47 Jantix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:42 Origine wrote:
That just sux as hell, Blizz' is mixing up VIRTUAL LIFE and REAL LIFE, 2 different worlds. I think this is a very interesting statement that kinda gets to the root of the issue. Why are they two different worlds? Do NBA/NFL/MLS/MLB players live in alternate world? At all skill levels.. these "games" are "real life" why is SC2 any different?? And even further, why do we want them separated? Wouldn't everybody on TL like to see SC2 rise to the same level of pro sports? Why force it into a virtual box then? Recognize that "your name here" is a SC2 player and not just "your fake name here"
Agreed 100%
On July 07 2010 02:49 Baxter wrote:
I Don't know if this has been addressed. I think this may end up creating more barriers between gamers through unique names and gender specific names, knowing a players ethnicity or gender can be a pretty powerful thing, give many players the opportunity to act on their prejudices, the fact that people over SC weren't judged based on what they are was a powerful thing. Also my name is very unique and if you type it in facebook I only come up.. To me that is HUUUGE.
I am totally against this.
Facebook privacy settings. Set everything to "friends only."
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Are they *fucking* serious? This should be illegal on grounds that it's way too retarded to be true... Facebook gets blamed because it's too transparent and Blizzard actively makes itself ridiculously transparent. 5 million dollars fine for corporate idiocy!!
Of course I won't post anymore.
If wouldn't put it beyond a fanbase of millions of people to have one person get "butthurt" and go on a murdering rage. This is so ridiculous. I can't believe it -_-
Who the hell decided this? I'm actually angry right now =(
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Blizzard's decision making process never ceases to amaze me. Rather than make a stronger effort to moderate the forums and enforce the rules themselves, they decide to take away privacy and just hope for the best.
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I understand the concerns about this real id thing, i just find it funny that if i check the facebook pages of half the people on this thread i will probably find a shit load of information and even personal pictures of family and friends... and all that is volutary.
I dont support this policiy, but i dont think it will have any more impact that facebook has... that is why i dont share personal information on facebook.
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likely effects:
(1) significantly more accountability and good posts on the forums. some minority of fake/alias "realid" names, a small percentage of which might troll/spam and be banned
(2) now anyone looking up your name can see your posts, and anyone seeing your posts can probably find out a bit more about you if they like.
I dunno. Privacy is important, but accountability is good too.
I like the amazon system, where you can choose to put up your real name for more visibility on your reviews (you get a "badge" next to them)
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On July 07 2010 02:49 motbob wrote:
Well, at least they're TRYING to make their forums usable.
There are much better ways to achieve this than showing everyone's real name.
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Ha ha ha... wait it's not a joke?
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at least we'd still have TL...
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Why can't they let us chose if we want our real names known to others or if we prefer to chose nicknames 
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