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On July 07 2010 02:45 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:40 Tray wrote:On July 07 2010 02:35 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:33 Tray wrote:On July 07 2010 02:26 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:23 sikyon wrote:Yea those "simple" solutions will probably work. Should YOUR CONSUMERS have to deal with it? No. Plain and simple. I was unaware that the forums were an integral part of my Starcraft II purchase. Personally I am tired of anonimity giving people on the internet the capability to behave like jerks. Besides, a name is not enough information to track someone down. And if you don't like it, don't sign up for the official forums. It's not an integral part, that doesn't add anything to your argument though. A name is plenty to track someone down. It's happened many times. Get name, facebook, use deductive reasoning. If I have to explain any farther down the line then that, then you are just not worth talking to. No one has been able to tell me why just having one name per CD-key is not enough of a deterrent. Please do. A better question is why do you think it's enough to have 1 CD key per name? It certainly didn't do crap to prevent the trolling/spamming on the beta board, why do you think it would prevent anything in retail? It wouldn't. With real names, do to the conerns brought up here, people will think twice about what they post with their real name attached to it. And the people who say they will just come up with a phony name will be in for a rude awakening when they're very quickly banned from the forums because they stick out and then when their account is hacked cannot even retrieve it because the name on it doesn't match their real name. People keep saying they'll do this, but they really won't. It's an empty threat. Most people will attach their real name to their account and just post much less often. Plenty of people have funny sounding REAL names. How is Blizzard going to Sherlock Holmes their way through that one? If this change goes through as described, I will be using a fake name. And that is coming from someone who has never trolled in their life and by Kev. My name is Kevin. It was only an empty threat when the situation wasn't real. Pretty simple. Some people will have real sounding names. They'll be allowed to post under those real sounding names until they get caught trolling, at which point they'll be banned. The problem with the point you're trying to raise is that there is the assumption that someone will make a fake name in order to troll, because honestly, there isn't much reason other than that to use your real name. Since the forums will have much less trolling, those trolls will stick out even more than they do now. People who use fake names and act honestly and appropriately will likely fall under the radar. Either way Blizzard's objective will have succeeded. There isn't much reason to make an account to troll at all because what you say is tied to your CD key. If they will be allowed to post until they got caught trolling, how is that any different then how things are now? At least in the current implementation I am not forced to give out my real name. No one has been able to convince me that the result of the battle.net forums would be any different if you were using your real name tied to your CD key, or your alias tied to your CD key. Either way, when you get caught trolling you are banned. So, again, tell me how is it any different.
As I said, it's simple. People are less likely to post ridiculous things if it is linked to their real name. Discussion over. If that doesn't convince you, nothing will and your mind is already made up. Either way, that is what will happen once this goes live, and it will. Less people will post retarded shiat. You're either willfully ignorant, or you're one of the trolls who's afraid he won't be able to spam the boards with his ignorance of the game during lunchtime. Either way I'm done with you and I'm glad you're losing what you believe to be some inherent right. It's a private forum by a private company. If you don't like it, don't post.
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Doesn't bother me at all...
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Honestly, I could care less.
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Well, this looks bad, but have you seen the forums on battle.net?
Troll, troll, troll. Not many people use the forums, and those who do are mostly either clueless or jerks.
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On July 07 2010 02:24 Kambing wrote:Show nested quote +"Potential employers googling your name and declining because you play games"
I'm sorry but, if you meet the requirements of what they are looking for experience and skillwise, a google search on what you enjoy to do in your own time will not affect your chances of getting hired and if it does, it's against the law (Well, in Texas it is). Take them to court if you feel that the reason they did not hire you was because of a google search. They would have to explain the detail of your decline to the judge with ample proof and if it is not sufficient enough proof to back their reason, you have yourself a successful lawsuit .. This is the naive view of what's going on. Practically speaking, many employers use google/facebook to find out information about applicants. Furthermore, they don't have to mention to you when you are "no hired" that they did such a search on you name. Even furthermore, there's a strong argument to be made that information via google/facebook is publicly available and thus admissible in such decisions (analogous to how an employer can judge you if you come drunk to an interview vs. professing your love of keggers and frat parties on your facebook page).
Admissible in regards to the potential employer searching up your name in google and finding out information, yes. Using that said information to deny you from employment is not.
The denial of employment would need to always be based on a specifc aspect in which the employer finds that either, you are not qualified for the position in which you are applying for or the position you are applying for is no longer open due to a sudden or non sudden change in business needs or the position was filled.
Following under the assumption that some other members of the forum have in regards to this predicament can be applied to anything else on the web. They can google your name, find out that you won 1st place in a chess tournament and you think that if the person making hiring decisions doesn't like chess (because their father died to choking on a chess piece or something ridiculous like that), can deny you from employment soley because you play chess? I'm sorry homie but that's discrimination and is definitely against the law if it's used to deny you from employment. If you feel that you have a case in which you were denied employment because of that, then as I said, you can bring them to court. If they have proof that your decision of being hired was not based on that or you have no proof otherwise, how can you blame a forums about Starcraft being the reason you were not hired?
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We should have a TL poll to decide whether or not people would like TL real names to be displayed =).
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On July 07 2010 02:37 sikyon wrote:
Why do people feel that they have this right to anonimity over the internet? Why do people feel that they should not be resonsible for what they say? If you are scared someone (like a future employer) is going to take offense at your statements, don't do anything that you wouldn't feel comfortable with them seeing in the first place!
I don't mean to rag on you but that's the most narrow minded thing I've seen on this yet.
In adult life, in a real sport, like let's say golf. You are hanging out at the country club with a bunch of like minded people. You all may be drinking, and even if not all of you are, unless you are really totally obscene, no one will ever know. If your employer came to the country club, saw you there, you would most likely know that your employer was there also. If you were a little more rowdy then usual, you would have a perfectly good explanation for being that way, it's a country club.
So you do something bad at the country club, you know everyone there, you can apologize and make amends because you know who saw you do what.
If someone randomly looks you up on the internet, sees something you did because of, well who even knows what nasty things happened to you that day you just let a noob have it on the forums, well, you wouldn't even know they were looking to begin with. Somehow your perspective employer feels you get angered real easily, and you don't get a job.
Or even worse, they look you up and see someone else with your name posting things and they can't tell it isn't you.
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People who post retard stuff can just be banned and even if Blizzard is a private company there users are what made Blizzard today. We are ones buying there games and playing them. They should respect us a little bit more as we respect them.
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On July 07 2010 02:18 ikkyixo wrote:
I don't see the problem. I don't know if it's because the older you get, things like this is trivial or if it's because a first and last name is not enough to cry over. I'm ready to debate any discussion as to why this would be a bad thing. Most of the things that are mentioned in this thread are taken to the extreme.
"Potential employers googling your name and declining because you play games"
I'm sorry but, if you meet the requirements of what they are looking for experience and skillwise, a google search on what you enjoy to do in your own time will not affect your chances of getting hired and if it does, it's against the law (Well, in Texas it is). Take them to court if you feel that the reason they did not hire you was because of a google search. They would have to explain the detail of your decline to the judge with ample proof and if it is not sufficient enough proof to back their reason, you have yourself a successful lawsuit .
"People can make death threats to me if they know my name."
Contact your local authority for information on what you can do in the case that a threat on your life is being made. They will assist in handling the manner which in some cases, can include them locating where the threat was made and making the appropriate moves afterwards.
"Can mess up your life by emailing your school with a bomb threat under your name"
They would need more than a name to send you to jail or make any disciplinary actions towards you. They make a threat to your school, if it's not from an email address you own, then they have no proof of you sending it. Sure someone can spoof your email address but guess what, they would need your email address to do so and still, would need proof they it was sent from your inbox including the IP it was sent from, mail delivery routes, etc.
I really can't see what the big deal is. Most of the things you guys are saying can be handled using real life methods to resolve. If your facebook is private and anything else you do on the web is private, I don't see how additional information other than your name would be obtained. Yellowpages? You do know a quick phone call to them will allow them to either remove you from their listing or make your information private. Again, it all comes down to handling your issues responsibly and using the correct chain of command to get a problem resolved.
Or you can simply not post on their forums...it's not mandatory for you to do so...my 2 cents.
i don't really care about posting on blizz forums, nor am i convinced that masses of posters would get huge problems, however, you sir are really living in a world of your own:
"potencial employers..." sue them if bla bla
weew you've never had to face hardcore employers, or perhaps (like most us of a citizens) you feel that there are no other countries concerned or that it works there the same way than in the us of a (sue sue sue and get rich, that only works in the us of a, most countries don't encourage or reward suing nor should they)
"report to the proper authorities..." so they can help
humongous bullllllllll, like they could do anything even if they deemed it a priority
"can mess up your life... they would need proof" : what about mistakes made and their long lasting effects...
you sir are happy going, hope it's gonna stay that way and that you will remain that lucky...
but please, just be thankful... cause a bunch of people are just not that lucky
scapegoats or fall guys will always be used by bent and criminal people
trolling is a small price to pay not to help hacks to get their way
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I hope now my real name will link directly to my Facebook account so I can have everyone on the Blizzard forums know who I am!!
Oh wait, this is the most terrible idea I've ever seen. I'm literally astounded they even considered such a thing...
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On July 07 2010 02:52 Tray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:45 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:40 Tray wrote:On July 07 2010 02:35 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:33 Tray wrote:On July 07 2010 02:26 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:23 sikyon wrote:Yea those "simple" solutions will probably work. Should YOUR CONSUMERS have to deal with it? No. Plain and simple. I was unaware that the forums were an integral part of my Starcraft II purchase. Personally I am tired of anonimity giving people on the internet the capability to behave like jerks. Besides, a name is not enough information to track someone down. And if you don't like it, don't sign up for the official forums. It's not an integral part, that doesn't add anything to your argument though. A name is plenty to track someone down. It's happened many times. Get name, facebook, use deductive reasoning. If I have to explain any farther down the line then that, then you are just not worth talking to. No one has been able to tell me why just having one name per CD-key is not enough of a deterrent. Please do. A better question is why do you think it's enough to have 1 CD key per name? It certainly didn't do crap to prevent the trolling/spamming on the beta board, why do you think it would prevent anything in retail? It wouldn't. With real names, do to the conerns brought up here, people will think twice about what they post with their real name attached to it. And the people who say they will just come up with a phony name will be in for a rude awakening when they're very quickly banned from the forums because they stick out and then when their account is hacked cannot even retrieve it because the name on it doesn't match their real name. People keep saying they'll do this, but they really won't. It's an empty threat. Most people will attach their real name to their account and just post much less often. Plenty of people have funny sounding REAL names. How is Blizzard going to Sherlock Holmes their way through that one? If this change goes through as described, I will be using a fake name. And that is coming from someone who has never trolled in their life and by Kev. My name is Kevin. It was only an empty threat when the situation wasn't real. Pretty simple. Some people will have real sounding names. They'll be allowed to post under those real sounding names until they get caught trolling, at which point they'll be banned. The problem with the point you're trying to raise is that there is the assumption that someone will make a fake name in order to troll, because honestly, there isn't much reason other than that to use your real name. Since the forums will have much less trolling, those trolls will stick out even more than they do now. People who use fake names and act honestly and appropriately will likely fall under the radar. Either way Blizzard's objective will have succeeded. There isn't much reason to make an account to troll at all because what you say is tied to your CD key. If they will be allowed to post until they got caught trolling, how is that any different then how things are now? At least in the current implementation I am not forced to give out my real name. No one has been able to convince me that the result of the battle.net forums would be any different if you were using your real name tied to your CD key, or your alias tied to your CD key. Either way, when you get caught trolling you are banned. So, again, tell me how is it any different. As I said, it's simple. People are less likely to post ridiculous things if it is linked to their real name. Discussion over. If that doesn't convince you, nothing will and your mind is already made up. Either way, that is what will happen once this goes live, and it will. Less people will post retarded shiat. You're either willfully ignorant, or you're one of the trolls who's afraid he won't be able to spam the boards with his ignorance of the game during lunchtime. Either way I'm done with you and I'm glad you're losing what you believe to be some inherent right. It's a private forum by a private company. If you don't like it, don't post.
Well as long as we are going off of your opinion about what people are less likely to do on the internet, then I guess the discussion is over. The rest of your post is retarded and inflammatory so I'll ignore it.
Few other quick points:
-It's in their EULA that they can't give out personal information.
-I won't post. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop arguing against it, because I'd like to post without my name attached.
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With regards to the comparison between e-sports pros and more conventional sports professionals I'd like to draw out the comparisons which continue to make giving out names a poor idea:
When playing, for example, amateur soccer in my community my name is not plastered on the back of my jersey nor is it given to the opposing team, in fact, from being a ref I am aware of an extent of privacy concerns which arose from having "game sheets" with players names on it. Even a few years back when my team went to nationals (in Canada so not really a real tournament) we still didn't give out our names to opposing teams -- there is no reason too.
Similarly, in e-sports, while your status remains such that "no one cares who you are" there is no good reason to have your name broadcast to the world at large, it's a breach of privacy and serves no purpose.
Drawing further parallel, once renown has be obtained players in both realms are comfortable being known as this popularity and celebrity brings them benefit and is in a sense a professional environment.
Also I just freaked myself out with some self-google's.
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On July 07 2010 02:53 ikkyixo wrote:
The denial of employment would need to always be based on a specifc aspect in which the employer finds that either, you are not qualified for the position in which you are applying for or the position you are applying for is no longer open due to a sudden or non sudden change in business needs or the position was filled.
You've never actually worked in the real world have you?
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But but... forums are for trolling!
I'd still post I think, many of my accounts are infact my name. Even LSGamer is my initials so it doesn't bug me much. However, I think I'll double check my facebook security =p xD
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Worst choice ever. Gamers need anonymity. It seems that literally everyone moving to this Web 2.0 bull shit where online and offline have no boundaries. Long live 4chan.
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Well that vindicates my decision not to register with my real name.
Given some of the posts I have read in this thread a lot of you are still very naive of the corporate world we live in now. Companies already actively look for facebook, twitter and other places to background information on job applicants among other things. I dont want any current or prospective employer knowing how much time i spend playing starcraft or what my feelings are about it on a forum.
Given the negative implications given to many gamers in the general media it does not bode well that game making companies are going down this route. My gaming life and professional life are seperate for good reason.
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On July 07 2010 02:40 blastedt wrote:
Will this change be retroactive? I've made two or three posts on their forums.
Blue posted on the WoW forums addressing this just now. I'm pelased with their response.
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One important point which I don't believe has been relayed yet is that the switch to showing RealID on the forums will only happen with the new forum systems we're launching for StarCraft II shortly before its release, and a new forum system for World of Warcraft launching shortly before the release of Cataclysm.
All posts here on the current World of Warcraft forums, or any of our classic Battle.net forums, will remain as-is. They won't (and can't) automatically switch to showing a real first and last name.
All posts in the future on the new forum systems will be an opt-in choice and ample warning will be given that you're posting with your real first and last name.
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lol it's going to suck for people with the 'non common' name. Or people with 4 parts to their name and shit lols - Least I know my name isn't that common.
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On July 07 2010 02:56 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:52 Tray wrote:On July 07 2010 02:45 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:40 Tray wrote:On July 07 2010 02:35 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:33 Tray wrote:On July 07 2010 02:26 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:23 sikyon wrote:Yea those "simple" solutions will probably work. Should YOUR CONSUMERS have to deal with it? No. Plain and simple. I was unaware that the forums were an integral part of my Starcraft II purchase. Personally I am tired of anonimity giving people on the internet the capability to behave like jerks. Besides, a name is not enough information to track someone down. And if you don't like it, don't sign up for the official forums. It's not an integral part, that doesn't add anything to your argument though. A name is plenty to track someone down. It's happened many times. Get name, facebook, use deductive reasoning. If I have to explain any farther down the line then that, then you are just not worth talking to. No one has been able to tell me why just having one name per CD-key is not enough of a deterrent. Please do. A better question is why do you think it's enough to have 1 CD key per name? It certainly didn't do crap to prevent the trolling/spamming on the beta board, why do you think it would prevent anything in retail? It wouldn't. With real names, do to the conerns brought up here, people will think twice about what they post with their real name attached to it. And the people who say they will just come up with a phony name will be in for a rude awakening when they're very quickly banned from the forums because they stick out and then when their account is hacked cannot even retrieve it because the name on it doesn't match their real name. People keep saying they'll do this, but they really won't. It's an empty threat. Most people will attach their real name to their account and just post much less often. Plenty of people have funny sounding REAL names. How is Blizzard going to Sherlock Holmes their way through that one? If this change goes through as described, I will be using a fake name. And that is coming from someone who has never trolled in their life and by Kev. My name is Kevin. It was only an empty threat when the situation wasn't real. Pretty simple. Some people will have real sounding names. They'll be allowed to post under those real sounding names until they get caught trolling, at which point they'll be banned. The problem with the point you're trying to raise is that there is the assumption that someone will make a fake name in order to troll, because honestly, there isn't much reason other than that to use your real name. Since the forums will have much less trolling, those trolls will stick out even more than they do now. People who use fake names and act honestly and appropriately will likely fall under the radar. Either way Blizzard's objective will have succeeded. There isn't much reason to make an account to troll at all because what you say is tied to your CD key. If they will be allowed to post until they got caught trolling, how is that any different then how things are now? At least in the current implementation I am not forced to give out my real name. No one has been able to convince me that the result of the battle.net forums would be any different if you were using your real name tied to your CD key, or your alias tied to your CD key. Either way, when you get caught trolling you are banned. So, again, tell me how is it any different. As I said, it's simple. People are less likely to post ridiculous things if it is linked to their real name. Discussion over. If that doesn't convince you, nothing will and your mind is already made up. Either way, that is what will happen once this goes live, and it will. Less people will post retarded shiat. You're either willfully ignorant, or you're one of the trolls who's afraid he won't be able to spam the boards with his ignorance of the game during lunchtime. Either way I'm done with you and I'm glad you're losing what you believe to be some inherent right. It's a private forum by a private company. If you don't like it, don't post. Few other quick points: -It's in their EULA that they can't give out personal information.
From blizzard privacy policy
Blizzard sites may also have message boards, forums, and/or chat areas, where users can exchange ideas and communicate with one another. When posting to a message board, forum, or chat area, please be aware that the information is being made publicly available on-line and the user does so at his or her own risk. For certain forums, anyone posting or replying to a post will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their full first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character. See discussion regarding Real ID below.
but I also found
Lastly, you may be given the opportunity to "opt-out" of certain features or functionality (e.g. Real ID).
source: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/privacy.html
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