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On July 07 2010 02:32 Alyoshka wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster....
I am suprised at how the TL community is so anti-real name yet so pro- eSports.
We love Day[9] because he opened up with us and showed us the human element of playing video games as a sport, not just as entertainment. We can connect a name and face.
The internet at large will never lose its anonymity or its amazing and awesome privacy...but if eSports is to be a success, and household names are to be established it needs to be with real names, not aliases.
Can you realistically think of a scenario where eSports thrives and people retain their anonymity?
Notice you called him by his alias, and not his name. Almost every gamer over the age of 20 has separated their internet personality from their real-life self. This lets us be more than one person depending on where we are interacting. Sure, you know what Day[9]s name and face is, but you still think of him as Day[9] -- and that's probably how he prefers it too.
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Will this change be retroactive? I've made two or three posts on their forums.
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On July 07 2010 02:37 Backpack wrote:Okay fine, some people did have some issues. But that's life. If you want to sit in a basement somewhere and cut yourself off from society, go for it. I am going to venture out into a world of car accidents and crazy stalkers and etc. etc.
So you go through life not trying to minimize the hassles and threats faced? Do you walk through traffic? Give your name and address out to every person who sees you?
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On July 07 2010 02:35 Poyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:32 Kletus wrote:On July 07 2010 02:29 Backpack wrote:
Any celebrity doesn't have to worry about people knowing their first/last name, why should I?
THIS. A thousand times this. Well not everyone wants to be a celebrity is the point.
I don't understand the celebrity analogy at all. If a person releases a record or stars in a film, you know their name - ok. How is that the same as playing a video game or posting on a forum? The core difference is monetary compensation and control. Not only is Blizzard not paying me outrages sums of money, but they're the ones in control of my name.
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On July 07 2010 02:13 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:12 0neder wrote:On July 07 2010 02:04 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Actually this makes it so there's a chance that I would post on the forums. They are a cesspool right now. Adding some accountability is a change in the right direction.
Nony is a wise man. It's interesting to see how from TLers' reactions, many are nothing more than elitist, more educated versions of bnet forum-goers. You can have accountability in plenty of ways other then giving out your personal information. Nony has not made any real point.
Your first sentence is irrelevant. It's a fact that public discourse has more accountability than private discourse. Their change from private to public is a change toward more accountability. Even if there are other ways to have more accountability, what I said is still perfectly true.
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On July 07 2010 02:35 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:33 Tray wrote:On July 07 2010 02:26 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:23 sikyon wrote:Yea those "simple" solutions will probably work. Should YOUR CONSUMERS have to deal with it? No. Plain and simple. I was unaware that the forums were an integral part of my Starcraft II purchase. Personally I am tired of anonimity giving people on the internet the capability to behave like jerks. Besides, a name is not enough information to track someone down. And if you don't like it, don't sign up for the official forums. It's not an integral part, that doesn't add anything to your argument though. A name is plenty to track someone down. It's happened many times. Get name, facebook, use deductive reasoning. If I have to explain any farther down the line then that, then you are just not worth talking to. No one has been able to tell me why just having one name per CD-key is not enough of a deterrent. Please do. A better question is why do you think it's enough to have 1 CD key per name? It certainly didn't do crap to prevent the trolling/spamming on the beta board, why do you think it would prevent anything in retail? It wouldn't. With real names, do to the conerns brought up here, people will think twice about what they post with their real name attached to it. And the people who say they will just come up with a phony name will be in for a rude awakening when they're very quickly banned from the forums because they stick out and then when their account is hacked cannot even retrieve it because the name on it doesn't match their real name. People keep saying they'll do this, but they really won't. It's an empty threat. Most people will attach their real name to their account and just post much less often. Plenty of people have funny sounding REAL names. How is Blizzard going to Sherlock Holmes their way through that one? If this change goes through as described, I will be using a fake name. And that is coming from someone who has never trolled in their life and by Kev. My name is Kevin. It was only an empty threat when the situation wasn't real.
Pretty simple. Some people will have real sounding names. They'll be allowed to post under those real sounding names until they get caught trolling, at which point they'll be banned. The problem with the point you're trying to raise is that there is the assumption that someone will make a fake name in order to troll, because honestly, there isn't much reason other than that to use your real name. Since the forums will have much less trolling, those trolls will stick out even more than they do now.
People who use fake names and act honestly and appropriately will likely fall under the radar. Either way Blizzard's objective will have succeeded.
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So now not only do we have our nick names, but we have to come up with an alternative real name for blizzard games.
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On July 07 2010 02:39 Mjolnir wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:29 Backpack wrote:On July 07 2010 02:23 Mjolnir wrote:On July 07 2010 02:14 Backpack wrote:On July 07 2010 02:10 Mjolnir wrote:On July 07 2010 02:00 Backpack wrote:On July 07 2010 01:55 Cantankerous wrote:On July 07 2010 01:44 roflpie wrote:
I don't get it why so many people are afraid that others will find out who you are IRL. I'll repeat what someone else said earlier. If you think everyone against this is just a cowardly fool then give your name or address in this thread. Daniel Meyer On July 07 2010 01:56 Tortfeasor wrote:
This is a colossal mistake. 4chan is going to do terrible terrible damage to any and all blizzard posters. Yea, all 16 million of them. Daniel Meyer of North Raleigh / Wake Forest, North Carolina... who likes paintball? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If I'm right, I just scared the shit out of myself with how easy that was. And that information is scary how? So it is you. Awesome... we've just demonstrated how easy it is to find someone. No, you didn't "find me." North Raleigh/Wake Forest is a big place. Even if you did manage to find my address though, what incentive do you have to do anything? Many people know my name online and offline, and the same goes for other big names. Any celebrity doesn't have to worry about people knowing their first/last name, why should I? Of course I'm not saying that's going to be the case here... it's just possible. People have raged and killed other over crap they've said online. People do steal identities. People do harass others... Why make it easier?
I've accepted that. But i'm not going to cut myself off from the dangerous world. Yes it's risky, but it beats being an anonymous nobody.
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Be right back, changing my name on my Bnet account to Kaylee Frye, I'l be like the next Zia!
in all seriousness, not that I was ever going to post there, I value my privacy online, and having real names doesn't stop dickish behaviour, people are still often cunts to each other when they know them on a first name basis, therefore I don't subscribe to the "anonymity creates dickheads"
Also, I've just realised they don't let you change your name on your BNET account. TT
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On July 07 2010 02:34 cocosoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:32 dbddbddb wrote:On July 07 2010 02:31 Itsarabbit wrote:HOLY MACARONI(sorry if this has been posted before) ![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/2dvvbrd.jpg) is this because of the real id, or is it always this way on their forum? Get an admin to ban him. problem solved. it's all spam from the same person. Except you can't, the spamkiddies (Ababmer) will just get yet another CD. No IP ban.
Even if it is an ip ban, you can easily change your ip address.
I think this is why Blizz is implementing this.
What other choices do they have?
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I'm only worried if this is going to happen in-game. If my real name isn't accessible in-game, then I don't care.
But I don't think it is going to be in-game, because you have the option to turn your handler off on the forums. That means people can't really associate you and your game alias unless they can do a search of your Real ID in the game. So, you whup the shit out of someone in Gold, they aren't going to really find you on the forums and try to harass you.
Although to be honest, I doubt that will happen often even if it was available. The risk of harm on the Internet is already there, you won't be circumventing it by stopping this.
However, I have no freaking idea why Blizzard thinks this will improve things. While I don't think it's bad, I still can't see how this will improve the posting on the site. People could still spam or troll even with their real names out there. I guess the better question is this: What would be a punishment for bad posting on Battle.net forums?
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That just sux as hell, Blizz' is mixing up VIRTUAL LIFE and REAL LIFE, 2 different worlds.
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On July 07 2010 02:37 Backpack wrote:
If you want to sit in a basement somewhere and cut yourself off from society, go for it. I am going to venture out into a world of car accidents and crazy stalkers and etc. etc.
Turning this around, if you want to have your real name and any other information free for grabs around the internet, go for it. But let those who want their privacy keep it?
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On July 07 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:13 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:12 0neder wrote:On July 07 2010 02:04 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Actually this makes it so there's a chance that I would post on the forums. They are a cesspool right now. Adding some accountability is a change in the right direction.
Nony is a wise man. It's interesting to see how from TLers' reactions, many are nothing more than elitist, more educated versions of bnet forum-goers. You can have accountability in plenty of ways other then giving out your personal information. Nony has not made any real point. Your first sentence is irrelevant. It's a fact that public discourse has more accountability than private discourse. Their change from private to public is a change toward more accountability. Even if there are other ways to have more accountability, what I said is still perfectly true.
It must be noted that you are not the average b.net forumgoer, since your name is well-known to most of TL.
I can see why many would be averse to revealing their heretofore personal names.
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On July 07 2010 02:40 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:37 Backpack wrote:On July 07 2010 02:34 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:29 Backpack wrote:
Any celebrity doesn't have to worry about people knowing their first/last name, why should I?
http://www.nzgirl.co.nz/articles/2110 Okay fine, some people did have some issues. But that's life. If you want to sit in a basement somewhere and cut yourself off from society, go for it. I am going to venture out into a world of car accidents and crazy stalkers and etc. etc. So you go through life not trying to minimize the hassles and threats faced? Do you walk through traffic? Give your name and address out to every person who sees you?
No, but if i meet someone new and they ask what my name is I don't run away and make a thread about it.
On July 07 2010 02:42 Sethronu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:37 Backpack wrote:
If you want to sit in a basement somewhere and cut yourself off from society, go for it. I am going to venture out into a world of car accidents and crazy stalkers and etc. etc. Turning this around, if you want to have your real name and any other information free for grabs around the internet, go for it. But let those who want their privacy keep it?
Nobody is making you post on the bnet forums.
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This is quite crazy tbh. Forcing people if they have something to say to use their real name... Especially comforting to have a good search engine and a unique name these days.
Eliminating trolls is not worth it for such a huge privacy loss.
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On July 07 2010 02:42 Nick12322 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:34 cocosoft wrote:On July 07 2010 02:32 dbddbddb wrote:On July 07 2010 02:31 Itsarabbit wrote:HOLY MACARONI(sorry if this has been posted before) is this because of the real id, or is it always this way on their forum? Get an admin to ban him. problem solved. it's all spam from the same person. Except you can't, the spamkiddies (Ababmer) will just get yet another CD. No IP ban. Even if it is an ip ban, you can easily change your ip address. I think this is why Blizz is implementing this. What other choices do they have?
Besides the other suggestions made in this post already, Blizzard can simply leave it the way it is now. In my opinion, that is a better option than forcing real names across the board.
I for one would at least post a bug/tech issue report on the forums in that case instead of avoiding them all together.
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This is disgusting. Blizzard clearly hates privacy. First teaming up with facebook which openly sells personal information to various companies, and now this, broadcasting our names (and if they use real ID, also our email addresses) to every troll and spammer on the internet. This pisses me off so much, and I'm going to need to make a B.Net account with a fake name and email address before I even think about playing SC2
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On July 07 2010 02:44 Backpack wrote:
No, but if i meet someone new and they ask what my name is I don't run away and make a thread about it.
Do you also have a sticker with your name on your forehead for every stranger to see, and if a dirty looking hobo asks you who are you and where do you live, do you tell them?
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