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On July 07 2010 02:23 Ghad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:10 FC.Strike wrote:
We know the real names of tons of Starcraft 2 pros - every time a pro is interviewed their name is given out. Sean Day[9] Plott and Kevin QXC Riley even told us where they're currently living - Harvey Mudd
. For these fine gentlemen that can actually travel the world engaged in esports, having their name publicized is a boon. For the common 30+ year gamer at night, responsible adult at day, it is a stigma.
This. For the <1% of players who are progamers or people who could make a legitimate career out of SC2 of course having their name associated with them is a huge benefit. They don't have to answer to the pointy haired boss on Monday's like the rest of us do.
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Well thats a horrible idea. I guess I wont be posting on the Bnet forums again. Or I will have to change my name.
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Horrible change that makes 0 sense.
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Hell, googling anybodies handle/nickname almost always turns up somebodies myspace/facebook/real name.
Whether or not its the same person or not can't really say.. but its plenty easy to find somebody to harass that might be the right person.
If you piss somebody off bad enough.. they will happily go after anybody they think is you.
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On July 07 2010 02:23 Mjolnir wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:14 Backpack wrote:On July 07 2010 02:10 Mjolnir wrote:On July 07 2010 02:00 Backpack wrote:On July 07 2010 01:55 Cantankerous wrote:On July 07 2010 01:44 roflpie wrote:
I don't get it why so many people are afraid that others will find out who you are IRL. I'll repeat what someone else said earlier. If you think everyone against this is just a cowardly fool then give your name or address in this thread. Daniel Meyer On July 07 2010 01:56 Tortfeasor wrote:
This is a colossal mistake. 4chan is going to do terrible terrible damage to any and all blizzard posters. Yea, all 16 million of them. Daniel Meyer of North Raleigh / Wake Forest, North Carolina... who likes paintball? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If I'm right, I just scared the shit out of myself with how easy that was. And that information is scary how? So it is you. Awesome... we've just demonstrated how easy it is to find someone.
No, you didn't "find me."
North Raleigh/Wake Forest is a big place. Even if you did manage to find my address though, what incentive do you have to do anything? Many people know my name online and offline, and the same goes for other big names.
Any celebrity doesn't have to worry about people knowing their first/last name, why should I?
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HOLY MACARONI(sorry if this has been posted before)
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is this because of the real id, or is it always this way on their forum?
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On July 07 2010 02:23 Jantix wrote:
If SC2 players can't even use their real names when talking to each other.. how is SC2 as an eSport ever going to get enough public respect to make it big outside of Korea?
There's a difference between professional players and your average everyday gamer.
Why do you think we already know the real names of all the Korean progamers?
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On July 07 2010 02:29 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:23 Mjolnir wrote:On July 07 2010 02:14 Backpack wrote:On July 07 2010 02:10 Mjolnir wrote:On July 07 2010 02:00 Backpack wrote:On July 07 2010 01:55 Cantankerous wrote:On July 07 2010 01:44 roflpie wrote:
I don't get it why so many people are afraid that others will find out who you are IRL. I'll repeat what someone else said earlier. If you think everyone against this is just a cowardly fool then give your name or address in this thread. Daniel Meyer On July 07 2010 01:56 Tortfeasor wrote:
This is a colossal mistake. 4chan is going to do terrible terrible damage to any and all blizzard posters. Yea, all 16 million of them. Daniel Meyer of North Raleigh / Wake Forest, North Carolina... who likes paintball? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If I'm right, I just scared the shit out of myself with how easy that was. And that information is scary how? So it is you. Awesome... we've just demonstrated how easy it is to find someone. No, you didn't "find me." North Raleigh/Wake Forest is a big place. Even if you did manage to find my address though, what incentive do you have to do anything? Many people know my name online and offline, and the same goes for other big names. Any celebrity doesn't have to worry about people knowing their first/last name, why should I?
Celebrities deal with death threats and wackos all the time. All you need is one crazy guy to read something you said, not like it, and then go and find you. How the hell is that not scary?
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On July 07 2010 02:27 Tray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:20 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 02:18 ikkyixo wrote:
I don't see the problem. I don't know if it's because the older you get, things like this is trivial or if it's because a first and last name is not enough to cry over. I'm ready to debate any discussion as to why this would be a bad thing. Most of the things that are mentioned in this thread are taken to the extreme.
"Potential employers googling your name and declining because you play games"
I'm sorry but, if you meet the requirements of what they are looking for experience and skillwise, a google search on what you enjoy to do in your own time will not affect your chances of getting hired and if it does, it's against the law (Well, in Texas it is). Take them to court if you feel that the reason they did not hire you was because of a google search. They would have to explain the detail of your decline to the judge with ample proof and if it is not sufficient enough proof to back their reason, you have yourself a successful lawsuit .
"People can make death threats to me if they know my name."
Contact your local authority for information on what you can do in the case that a threat on your life is being made. They will assist in handling the manner which in some cases, can include them locating where the threat was made and making the appropriate moves afterwards.
"Can mess up your life by emailing your school with a bomb threat under your name"
They would need more than a name to send you to jail or make any disciplinary actions towards you. They make a threat to your school, if it's not from an email address you own, then they have no proof of you sending it. Sure someone can spoof your email address but guess what, they would need your email address to do so and still, would need proof they it was sent from your inbox including the IP it was sent from, mail delivery routes, etc.
I really can't see what the big deal is. Most of the things you guys are saying can be handled using real life methods to resolve. If your facebook is private and anything else you do on the web is private, I don't see how additional information other than your name would be obtained. Yellowpages? You do know a quick phone call to them will allow them to either remove you from their listing or make your information private. Again, it all comes down to handling your issues responsibly and using the correct chain of command to get a problem resolved.
Or you can simply not post on their forums...it's not mandatory for you to do so...my 2 cents. Yea those "simple" solutions will probably work. Should YOUR CONSUMERS have to deal with it? No. Plain and simple. Plain and simply, they disagree with you, therefore your assertion that the consumers shouldn't have to deal with it, is wrong. You're pretty nerdraged as evidenced by your constant posts on here, so my suggestion to you would be to go outside, and do something else for a bit. You yelling at the top of your lungs isn't going to change the fact that you can no longer troll bnet forums.
I'm just overtired and find this thread enjoyable. First thing worth discussing on the Starcraft boards in weeks. I'm not angry in anyway, shape or form. I'm typing, not yelling and I don't think I've actively trolled in my whole life. (In secret, I'm just trying to intelligently reach 2k posts.)
Still waiting for someone to tell me why it is necessary to use a real name instead of limiting the forum users to one posting account per CD-key. Telling me I'm nerdraging isn't really a counter argument, you can continue if you want though.
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On July 07 2010 02:31 Itsarabbit wrote:HOLY MACARONI(sorry if this has been posted before) is this because of the real id, or is it always this way on their forum? NO NO NO!! It has always been like that!
Also this is at the beta announcement 17th February this year: http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3659/hahabeta2.png
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I don't really care. Those forums are trash anyway. They do have a problem with spam, trolls, and flaming, but this might not be the way to handle it. It wouldn't be that hard for them to to find some people (maybe even community volunteers?) to moderate the forum.
But all in all, I've never had a reason nor any urge whatsoever to go and attempt a legitimate discussion in the immature cesspool that the Blizzard SC2 forum is.
No big loss if it suddenly dies.
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Long time lurker, first time poster....
I am suprised at how the TL community is so anti-real name yet so pro- eSports.
We love Day[9] because he opened up with us and showed us the human element of playing video games as a sport, not just as entertainment. We can connect a name and face.
The internet at large will never lose its anonymity or its amazing and awesome privacy...but if eSports is to be a success, and household names are to be established it needs to be with real names, not aliases.
Can you realistically think of a scenario where eSports thrives and people retain their anonymity?
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On July 07 2010 02:29 Backpack wrote:
Any celebrity doesn't have to worry about people knowing their first/last name, why should I?
THIS. A thousand times this.
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I don't want stalker kids going after me because they couldn't accept that fact that they were wrong 
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On July 07 2010 02:31 Itsarabbit wrote:HOLY MACARONI(sorry if this has been posted before) is this because of the real id, or is it always this way on their forum?
Get an admin to ban him. problem solved. it's all spam from the same person.
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On July 07 2010 02:32 Kletus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:29 Backpack wrote:
Any celebrity doesn't have to worry about people knowing their first/last name, why should I?
THIS. A thousand times this.
Except Celebrities deal with these issues on a constant basis.
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I can just see this unfolding ...
At first it will be someone tracking another person who mouthed off at them on the forums and assaulting them.
Then the popular or unpopular but really good players will be targets of all those who envy / hate them, hacking their FB / MS accounts posting random weird shit on their sites or creating completely new ones if your name is not already reserved.
And this is the best part, data mining for every person who plays SC2 / WoW and getting sold to adv agencies who will in turn spam those people with either irl advertisements or something of that sort.
Oh oh lets not forget about random girl gamers getting stalked because of their name on the forums by some lonely nerds who want female company.
This is going to be EPIC, can't wait.
Oh man and the poor people with same names as some celebs ???!?! hahaha banned for impersonating a celebrity ?
EPIC I tell you guys !
Oh and they are breaking their own rules, they have a forum code which states no personal information can be released.
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On July 07 2010 02:26 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 02:23 sikyon wrote:Yea those "simple" solutions will probably work. Should YOUR CONSUMERS have to deal with it? No. Plain and simple. I was unaware that the forums were an integral part of my Starcraft II purchase. Personally I am tired of anonimity giving people on the internet the capability to behave like jerks. Besides, a name is not enough information to track someone down. And if you don't like it, don't sign up for the official forums. It's not an integral part, that doesn't add anything to your argument though. A name is plenty to track someone down. It's happened many times. Get name, facebook, use deductive reasoning. If I have to explain any farther down the line then that, then you are just not worth talking to. No one has been able to tell me why just having one name per CD-key is not enough of a deterrent. Please do.
A better question is why do you think it's enough to have 1 CD key per name? It certainly didn't do crap to prevent the trolling/spamming on the beta board, why do you think it would prevent anything in retail? It wouldn't. With real names, due to the conerns brought up here, people will think twice about what they post with their real name attached to it.
And the people who say they will just come up with a phony name will be in for a rude awakening when they're very quickly banned from the forums because they stick out and then when their account is hacked cannot even retrieve it because the name on it doesn't match their real name. People keep saying they'll do this, but they really won't. It's an empty threat. Most people will attach their real name to their account and just post much less often.
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On July 07 2010 02:32 Alyoshka wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster....
I am suprised at how the TL community is so anti-real name yet so pro- eSports.
We love Day[9] because he opened up with us and showed us the human element of playing video games as a sport, not just as entertainment. We can connect a name and face.
The internet at large will never lose its anonymity or its amazing and awesome privacy...but if eSports is to be a success, and household names are to be established it needs to be with real names, not aliases.
Can you realistically think of a scenario where eSports thrives and people retain their anonymity?
1) As people mentioned before, there is a strong division between people playing starcraft 2 casually and the "esports" crowd. I dare make the further suggestion that the "esports" crowd is in the ultra minority.
2) Battle.net isn't just starcraft 2. It extends to all blizzard games, including world of warcraft and diablo 3. You can make a similar argument for wow I suppose (adding a few extra ultras to ultra minority), but I don't think the esports argument applies to diablo 3.
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