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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-06 18:05:08
July 06 2010 18:02 GMT
#341
Let's make this interesting. Everyone who thinks this lack of privacy isn't an issue: post your full name, phone number, and address. If you really don't think it's an issue you would be willing to do it, since when blizzard starts handing full names out it will be easy enough to discover this information. Oh yeah ... any random jerk off can run a full background check on you too if he wants to pay a few bucks.
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McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
July 06 2010 18:02 GMT
#342
On July 07 2010 02:03 Pigge wrote:
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On July 07 2010 01:54 McDonalds wrote:
If you guys are worried about employers finding what you post on the Battle.net forums then I suggest you stop posting incriminating things on the Battle.net forums. No more posts about who you slept with, no more posts about what you'd like to do to your neighbour's dog. If you ever come across an employer who hates video games so much that he won't hire you because he saw you asking a question about a video game on the internet then you probably don't want to work there anyway.

If you told me your AIM I could probably find your real name in like half an hour. The problem is that people have no awareness of what they do on the internet. Maybe now some of them will take notice.


employers arent 30 year old cool guys that know what games are and dont care about if you post on game forums or not, they are like my current boss, 50+ years old and think that WoW is that insanely stupid thing that takes up his sons entire life, from his experiences, him seeing me posting about WoW and actively knowing that i play WoW he will judge me and think im unserious.


I'd say the average employer is more like a guy with a lot of subordinates of lesser ages who do these sorts of things for him. And the people who do those things are probably more interested in your work history or your portfolio or whatever than whether or not you play Starcraft. Maybe once in a while an HR person finds some super embarrassing photo or something but that is definitely not a common reason why someone doesn't get hired. If it's getting more common it's because people are posting things without thinking about it.

On July 07 2010 02:03 SichuanPanda wrote:
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On July 07 2010 01:54 McDonalds wrote:
If you guys are worried about employers finding what you post on the Battle.net forums then I suggest you stop posting incriminating things on the Battle.net forums. No more posts about who you slept with, no more posts about what you'd like to do to your neighbour's dog. If you ever come across an employer who hates video games so much that he won't hire you because he saw you asking a question about a video game on the internet then you probably don't want to work there anyway.

If you told me your AIM I could probably find your real name in like half an hour. The problem is that people have no awareness of what they do on the internet. Maybe now some of them will take notice.


This goes against the entire spirit of the internet. You should be allowed to make a pseudonym that is not linked in anyway to your real name, and say whatever the fuck you want. That's the point of forums and the internet, and if companies follow in Blizzard's footsteps they are going to ruin it for all of us. I really can't believe a internet user especially one on TL, would agree with such a foolish attempt to get used to use Facebook or other social networking features.

Guess what? When I log on SC2 I want to see the people I PLAY SC2 with, not the hundreds of IRL friends from Facebook, and not all the people on my MSN list. Many of them actually HATE Starcraft, and RTS games in general, but rest assured they would still interrupt me in-game to talk about something trivial (which is what most of my Facebook convos are). There is a time and a place for small talk, and that is AFTER I'm done playing for the day and I go on Facebook or MSN.

Simple as this - we should have an option. Being forced to use or not to use Real ID is not fair at all, and there is no way it could help improve the experience of being on bnet forums. In fact it would probably be worse because people will attribute everything you say on there to be your IRL personality, which in many cases is not the same as people's forum personality.


I like how you associate your personal view on the internet with what the internet "is for" as if it wasn't designed for something completely different from what it is mostly used for today. Again, it is the law that everyone in Korea has to use their real name on every major website they register for. This is a fairly recent law but it is the law. Just because it's always been a certain way for you and you like it that way, it doesn't mean that you can declare that it should be that way. Times change.

You have a choice. Post on the forum or do not. And if you do, stop having a "forum personality" and just act like a human being.

I don't use Facebook, by the way. If you for some reason think it is necessary to create a permanent link between you and everyone you know, and update them on everything you do, well, that's your business. But I have nothing to integrate my game playing with so I am disinterested in that argument. If you searched for my name you might find an ancient livejournal post by some guy saying that I was a "weird kid" and a page that says how many honours I graduated with. I couldn't care less if there was one more page that featured me asking a question about DirectX requirements or something.

I'm sure somebody will say "well what if I put your real name on all of the stuff you posted under an alias" but the fact is I wouldn't have posted about 95% of that stuff if my real name was going to be on it as I am sure many of you could guess. And I wouldn't miss most of it either, because it would be a bunch of inconsequential posts like this one. Nobody needs to state their opinion at all hours of the day. I think people are starting to forget that.

Anyway, if you want to say something off the record, then don't create a record of it.
High five :---)
Sethronu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom450 Posts
July 06 2010 18:02 GMT
#343
I don't get how can people keep comparing SC / WoW players to 'real' sports stars or movie celebrities. These guys make millions off their names, and last time I checked, they went around with security escorts.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
July 06 2010 18:02 GMT
#344
On July 07 2010 03:00 Graven wrote:
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On July 07 2010 02:40 blastedt wrote:
Will this change be retroactive? I've made two or three posts on their forums.


Blue posted on the WoW forums addressing this just now. I'm pelased with their response.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q u o t e:
One important point which I don't believe has been relayed yet is that the switch to showing RealID on the forums will only happen with the new forum systems we're launching for StarCraft II shortly before its release, and a new forum system for World of Warcraft launching shortly before the release of Cataclysm.

All posts here on the current World of Warcraft forums, or any of our classic Battle.net forums, will remain as-is. They won't (and can't) automatically switch to showing a real first and last name.

All posts in the future on the new forum systems will be an opt-in choice and ample warning will be given that you're posting with your real first and last name.


I was glad to see this, but I am greatly annoyed that I am unable to change my contact information on battlenet, everything is editable but first and last name. What the fuck Blizzard?

I have lots of accounts tied to this email address so making a new account is out. I would prefer to change my name for the incoming change...
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Deleted User 72834
Profile Joined April 2010
247 Posts
July 06 2010 18:03 GMT
#345
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PeT[uK]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States412 Posts
July 06 2010 18:03 GMT
#346
I'm not entirely sure I understand what is sooo wrong with this. Is anyone a Russian spy here? This deters trolls from being trolls. That's it. I am sure no one really cares wtf someones real name is. Hi my name is Amoni Wells. Does anyone care? Didn't think so
How Happy Are the Blameless Vestals Lot.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
July 06 2010 18:03 GMT
#347
On July 07 2010 03:01 Backpack wrote:
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On July 07 2010 02:56 keV. wrote:
On July 07 2010 02:52 Tray wrote:
On July 07 2010 02:45 keV. wrote:
On July 07 2010 02:40 Tray wrote:
On July 07 2010 02:35 keV. wrote:
On July 07 2010 02:33 Tray wrote:
On July 07 2010 02:26 keV. wrote:
On July 07 2010 02:23 sikyon wrote:
Yea those "simple" solutions will probably work. Should YOUR CONSUMERS have to deal with it? No. Plain and simple.


I was unaware that the forums were an integral part of my Starcraft II purchase.

Personally I am tired of anonimity giving people on the internet the capability to behave like jerks. Besides, a name is not enough information to track someone down. And if you don't like it, don't sign up for the official forums.


It's not an integral part, that doesn't add anything to your argument though.

A name is plenty to track someone down. It's happened many times. Get name, facebook, use deductive reasoning. If I have to explain any farther down the line then that, then you are just not worth talking to.

No one has been able to tell me why just having one name per CD-key is not enough of a deterrent. Please do.


A better question is why do you think it's enough to have 1 CD key per name? It certainly didn't do crap to prevent the trolling/spamming on the beta board, why do you think it would prevent anything in retail? It wouldn't. With real names, do to the conerns brought up here, people will think twice about what they post with their real name attached to it.

And the people who say they will just come up with a phony name will be in for a rude awakening when they're very quickly banned from the forums because they stick out and then when their account is hacked cannot even retrieve it because the name on it doesn't match their real name. People keep saying they'll do this, but they really won't. It's an empty threat. Most people will attach their real name to their account and just post much less often.


Plenty of people have funny sounding REAL names. How is Blizzard going to Sherlock Holmes their way through that one? If this change goes through as described, I will be using a fake name. And that is coming from someone who has never trolled in their life and by Kev. My name is Kevin. It was only an empty threat when the situation wasn't real.


Pretty simple. Some people will have real sounding names. They'll be allowed to post under those real sounding names until they get caught trolling, at which point they'll be banned. The problem with the point you're trying to raise is that there is the assumption that someone will make a fake name in order to troll, because honestly, there isn't much reason other than that to use your real name. Since the forums will have much less trolling, those trolls will stick out even more than they do now.

People who use fake names and act honestly and appropriately will likely fall under the radar. Either way Blizzard's objective will have succeeded.


There isn't much reason to make an account to troll at all because what you say is tied to your CD key. If they will be allowed to post until they got caught trolling, how is that any different then how things are now? At least in the current implementation I am not forced to give out my real name.

No one has been able to convince me that the result of the battle.net forums would be any different if you were using your real name tied to your CD key, or your alias tied to your CD key. Either way, when you get caught trolling you are banned. So, again, tell me how is it any different.


As I said, it's simple. People are less likely to post ridiculous things if it is linked to their real name. Discussion over. If that doesn't convince you, nothing will and your mind is already made up. Either way, that is what will happen once this goes live, and it will. Less people will post retarded shiat. You're either willfully ignorant, or you're one of the trolls who's afraid he won't be able to spam the boards with his ignorance of the game during lunchtime. Either way I'm done with you and I'm glad you're losing what you believe to be some inherent right. It's a private forum by a private company. If you don't like it, don't post.




Few other quick points:
-It's in their EULA that they can't give out personal information.




From blizzard privacy policy

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Blizzard sites may also have message boards, forums, and/or chat areas, where users can exchange ideas and communicate with one another. When posting to a message board, forum, or chat area, please be aware that the information is being made publicly available on-line and the user does so at his or her own risk. For certain forums, anyone posting or replying to a post will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their full first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character. See discussion regarding Real ID below.


but I also found

Show nested quote +
Lastly, you may be given the opportunity to "opt-out" of certain features or functionality (e.g. Real ID).



source: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/privacy.html


Yes I know this, obviously this was changed recently.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Sethronu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom450 Posts
July 06 2010 18:04 GMT
#348
On July 07 2010 03:03 PeT[uK] wrote:
I'm not entirely sure I understand what is sooo wrong with this. Is anyone a Russian spy here? This deters trolls from being trolls. That's it. I am sure no one really cares wtf someones real name is. Hi my name is Amoni Wells. Does anyone care? Didn't think so


I still haven't heard how does this deter trolls from being trolls, anyway.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
July 06 2010 18:05 GMT
#349
On July 07 2010 03:03 PeT[uK] wrote:
I'm not entirely sure I understand what is sooo wrong with this. Is anyone a Russian spy here? This deters trolls from being trolls. That's it. I am sure no one really cares wtf someones real name is. Hi my name is Amoni Wells. Does anyone care? Didn't think so


If you are honestly expecting a new answer, you probably won't get one because a post like this is a little bit late to the party, I suggest backing up a few pages to get the answer if this isn't a hypothetical.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
jstar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada568 Posts
July 06 2010 18:05 GMT
#350
being banned from the wow forums is like being kicked out of the titanic
Tomnki
Profile Joined March 2010
United States62 Posts
July 06 2010 18:05 GMT
#351
On July 07 2010 03:02 789 wrote:
Let's make this interesting. Everyone who thinks this lack of privacy isn't an issue: post your full name, phone number, and address. If you really don't think it's an issue you would be willing to do it, since when blizzard starts handing full names out it will be easy enough to discover this information. Oh yeah ... and random jerk off can run a full background check on you too if he wants to pay a few bucks.


Hi, I see you live in the United States. The population is around 306 million people. Do you really think out of 306 million people you are the only one with your current name?
I'm not your toy
DTown
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States428 Posts
July 06 2010 18:05 GMT
#352
This just in. Phase II and game launch delayed while blizzard attempts to deal with this new shit-storm they just created.
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
July 06 2010 18:06 GMT
#353
On July 07 2010 03:02 keV. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 03:00 Graven wrote:
On July 07 2010 02:40 blastedt wrote:
Will this change be retroactive? I've made two or three posts on their forums.


Blue posted on the WoW forums addressing this just now. I'm pelased with their response.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q u o t e:
One important point which I don't believe has been relayed yet is that the switch to showing RealID on the forums will only happen with the new forum systems we're launching for StarCraft II shortly before its release, and a new forum system for World of Warcraft launching shortly before the release of Cataclysm.

All posts here on the current World of Warcraft forums, or any of our classic Battle.net forums, will remain as-is. They won't (and can't) automatically switch to showing a real first and last name.

All posts in the future on the new forum systems will be an opt-in choice and ample warning will be given that you're posting with your real first and last name.


I was glad to see this, but I am greatly annoyed that I am unable to change my contact information on battlenet, everything is editable but first and last name. What the fuck Blizzard?

I have lots of accounts tied to this email address so making a new account is out. I would prefer to change my name for the incoming change...


This is what I was expecting. I don't see why anyone would have thought that names were going to be retroactively attached to old posts.

And I'm pretty sure you can't change your name because they knew you would want to change your name. Haha.
High five :---)
Deleted User 72834
Profile Joined April 2010
247 Posts
July 06 2010 18:06 GMT
#354
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Dance.jhu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States292 Posts
July 06 2010 18:07 GMT
#355
On July 07 2010 01:13 Archerofaiur wrote:
And. Here. We. Go.



I don't think you can create a false bnet account, because you need the game in your bnet in order to post in that forum.
It is what it is...
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-06 18:07:37
July 06 2010 18:07 GMT
#356
On July 07 2010 03:05 Tomnki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 03:02 789 wrote:
Let's make this interesting. Everyone who thinks this lack of privacy isn't an issue: post your full name, phone number, and address. If you really don't think it's an issue you would be willing to do it, since when blizzard starts handing full names out it will be easy enough to discover this information. Oh yeah ... and random jerk off can run a full background check on you too if he wants to pay a few bucks.


Hi, I see you live in the United States. The population is around 306 million people. Do you really think out of 306 million people you are the only one with your current name?


I already did a search. My name isn't common, 3 results came up. Some random dude, my dad, and myself. So yeah, people could find me quite easily ... as well as my dad. Sounds like a dynamite time to me.
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knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
July 06 2010 18:07 GMT
#357
I never posted on a official Bnet forum but with this change i think we will se a totaly different style of forums. I dont know if my habbit will change with this change but i dont think its a totaly bad decission.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
July 06 2010 18:08 GMT
#358
On July 07 2010 03:05 Tomnki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 03:02 789 wrote:
Let's make this interesting. Everyone who thinks this lack of privacy isn't an issue: post your full name, phone number, and address. If you really don't think it's an issue you would be willing to do it, since when blizzard starts handing full names out it will be easy enough to discover this information. Oh yeah ... and random jerk off can run a full background check on you too if he wants to pay a few bucks.


Hi, I see you live in the United States. The population is around 306 million people. Do you really think out of 306 million people you are the only one with your current name?


I'm actually fairly certain I'm the only person in the US with my name. My last name is incredibly rare, and my first isn't exactly common either. Googling my name brings me straight to my graduation info and other things.
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Willes
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany199 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-06 18:08:45
July 06 2010 18:08 GMT
#359
i never buy a blizzard product again until they change this plans/policity
no money for bad customerbased data organisation

mfg
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
July 06 2010 18:08 GMT
#360
Blizzard is taking this ID bullshit in the completely wrong direction.
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