[D] Let us meld our minds for BroodLords - Page 8

On April 19 2010 19:46 Powda wrote:
Broodlings only spawn upon the killing of a unit or structure.

On April 19 2010 19:41 Attica wrote:


I like how you counted a Pylon in there as if zerg and terran don't get overlords and supply depots. Let's try this out so you can understand better.

m = minerals
g= gas
t= time

Zerg

Spawning Pool - 200 m 65t
Lair- 150m 100g 80t
Spire -200m 200g 100t
Infestation pit- 100m 100g 50t
Hive- 200m 150g 100t
Greater Spire- 100m 150g 100t

Total Building Cost - 950 m 700g 495t


Corruptor- 150m 100g 2food 40t
Broodlord- 150m 150g 34t

Total Unit Cost- 300m 250g 4 food 74t

Protoss

Gateway- 150m 65t
Cyber core- 150m 50t
Stargate- 150m 150g 60t
Flight beacon- 300m 200g 60t

Total Building Cost- 750m 350g 235t

Carrier- 350m 250g 6 food 120t

Terran

Barracks- 150m 60t
Tech Lab- 50m 25g 25t
Factory- 150m 100g 60t
Starport- 150m 100g 50t
Fusion Core- 150m 150g 80t

Total Building Cost- 650m 375g 275t

Battle Cruiser- 400m 300g 6 food 110t

It takes twice or almost twice as long to get to broodlords than it does for toss or terran to get to their tier 3 air. One might argue that you could lay your spire while upgrading to Hive but if you want to be realistic no zerg is going to have that much gas lying around to immediately spend unless it's much later in the game. I'd also like to add that zerg tech even slower than those numbers due to the style of the race (fast expo, mass units due to inability to block chokes, etc).

On April 19 2010 19:41 iounas wrote:
Late game units should be powerful but one of the problems is that carrier and cattlebruiser arent at the same level..
Especially carriers since bcs have yamato to 1shot all their air counters from all 3 races and have more armor and hp to deal with GtA attacks from marines, hydras, stalkers.. And good air support raven with point defence.
Its not all about stats either, its how they fit in your army and what counter other races have..
Also ultras have awesome stats but they dont work well..

On April 19 2010 20:04 Lollersauce wrote:
Rofl, if your opponent has time and resources to tech to broodlords, you've already lost or deserve to lose. It's both ridiculously expensive and time consuming (even compared to other races' high tier units as someone else adequately pointed out).

On April 19 2010 19:57 Inori wrote:
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You can build Hive, Spire and Infestator Pit at the same time. As you said yourself, Zerg gets a fast expo, so doing this in later game isn't a problem. It's not like protoss or terran can get away with early carrier/bc tech, so it will happen in late-game as well.
I'd also like to add that you can build BLs simultaneously, whereas Carriers/BCs is 3 at a time max (+about 20 seconds and 100 mineral for each carrier because of interseptors).

On April 19 2010 20:10 NonFactor wrote:
Guys, I have the obvious solution.

Make Broodlords shoot banelings that transform into Zerglings after explosion. Now, Broodlords would also function like Reavers. You buy their ammo. Each baneling into Zergling shot would cost 75 minerals and 25 Gas. This will make Zerg think twice before doing anything.

Otherwise I think their fine. Yeah, they are insanely strong, but seriously, I like never get to the point where they actually save me or are useful to me. Everytime I get Broodlords it functions as a finisher where I clearly had won the game but the opponent is being stubborn.

Considering it's new damage, it's incredibly slow speed, and in-capability of shooting air, and it's massive tech requierement and cost, I think it is relatively balanced.

It's similiar to Ravens, if you let a Terran get tons of Ravens you did something wrong, or you should have something to counter it ready.

On April 19 2010 15:39 Zaphid wrote:
Aren't there some rules for topics like this ?

Anyway, they have weaknesses, mainly the thing that they can't attack top of the tree units like BC and Carriers, which is what they should be compared to. Also, don't forget that if you nerf them too much, there is simply no other go-to unit for zerg beyond mass of hydras/roaches spiced with some other stuff and people are getting sick of that already.