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I have been waiting for Starcraft 2 for a long time. I read all available information, I trained my APM for a month or two using various programs.
Now I have beta, played about 600 games, analyzed lots of replays. But I still suck, hanging in the middle of Gold league (was 5th at best pre-wipe).
In most games I lose opponents seem to outplay me by a large margin, even though I think I know build orders and some timings.
So, I need a person who would teach me how to play SC2 (Zerg or Protoss). I can pay via PokerStars funds, don't have other electronic currency atm.
Or please just give an advice - how to become good at SC2? Train macro? Micro? Study replays? Create new strategies? I have no idea.
And please don't say "play a lot". I do play a lot but don't improve.
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you can't just play you have to find your weaknesses and have an open mind with the ability to learn. The easiest way to get better on your own instead of trying to find a coach is just watch replays of good players, and try to understand everything they do and most importantly why they do it when they do it. Will take you a long way
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The beta is only a few weeks in, there isn't anyone who knows enough to be a couch yet. Just watch replays and see how others play (ie. hdstarcraft), listen to day9, and.. keep playing. Theres honestly no magic to getting better. you're also well above average.. most of the people in the beta have alot of experience with bw, so i'd say your competing with an elite group.
edit: and watch your replays when u lose
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analyze replays and then actually do things that changes ur game so u dont lose to the same thing over and over again and macro is more important then micro especailly right now except for like key things like for toss the barrier things that let u live against zerg
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every time u lose ask yourself "what more could I have done to win"
follow through on that question
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watchin replays of games you lost and figuring out why you lost is one of the best things you can do
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go to eG.
they have a training program...dont have link but try asking psyonic reaver for it they can teach u anything u need to know
edit: nvm it was already posted >.>
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Basically, the same things that help in poker, will help in starcraft and vice versa.
You need:
1.) Technique: knowing which unit counters which other unit well and how to get that unit asap
2.) Gameplan: Know what you want to do vs your opponents race, find out what he is doing to counter you / what he is opening with, then use 1.)
3.) Execution: Microing/Macroing (especially during battle. This can pretty much only be improved by practising.
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Thanks everyone, I didn't know about that coaching site. Will analyz losing replays as well.
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Now I am not even good at this game, but I think the best way to go is to watch each loss you get right away. Really try to figure out why the other guy beat you and what you should have done to counter what he did.
That way you can figure out what it is you need to work on, then take one thing at a time and go into each game with the focus to do that thing better. It might be keeping up probe production, it might be to watch the minimap more or why not to keep your scouting probe alive and so on.
For each thing you practice on, you will get one step closer to being able to multitasking alot better, and therefor playing alot more relaxed which in the end has alot to do with how good you are.
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Goszar you can add me in sc2 DaBoO.aapjenootje
ill help you for free 
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Post some replays here for people to give you feedback on, that would help people help more.
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What race would you prefer to play, z or p atm? Might get better responses.
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Macroing well is gonna be the biggest thing, especially with a new game like this where nobody really knows exactly the best strategies/builds yet. Just pick 1 or 2 solid build orders that you know work okay and focus the most on macroing.
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I played most games as Zerg; Protoss seems more fun but weaker. If anyone is interested, here are some replays where I'm losing: http://www.mediafire.com/?jnzmhygnlry (3 Protoss and 3 Zerg).
In all of them it's obvious why I lost, even too obvious. But I can't find some common flaw that should be fixed, looks like holes everywhere ;(
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On March 28 2010 09:34 travis wrote:
every time u lose ask yourself "what more could I have done to win"
follow through on that question
Not only that, but WRITE IT DOWN! Why? So you don't forget! I can't tell you how many times I've lost to something, said "oh, I better not do (or do) that next time"... then lose an hour later in the same manner.
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What prior exp do you have? Pretty much everyone in platinum has played competitive sc1 or some did wc3.
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On March 28 2010 18:29 goszar wrote:
Will analyz losing replays as well.
Remember to not just analyze your losing replays, but your winning ones as well. Instead of looking at just what happened in that specific game, try to think about what you could have done better as well as what your opponent could have done better. Then try to think of counters for what they would have done, had they been playing better. Was there a point where you could have simply crushed him with your army, earlygame? Was there a point where he could have crushed you, but didn't for some reason? Try to figure out the reasons behind his thinking, and be hard on yourself when watching replays. Above all else, of course, during the game scout and try to understand what your opponent's goals are.
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Echoing what's been said above, watch your losing replays. If you get cheesed, figure out ways to scout for that cheese, or figure out what the "tell" is for that cheese, in a manner that won't ruin your build order. Figure out how to respond to strategies. RTS games aren't just about following an order, they're about reacting to the decisions that your opponent makes. So when you are watching the replays, think "If I had seen X, I could've done Y and that would have saved me," and then figure out how you could have seen "X" coming.
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getting coaching right now is kinda pointless since its the beta, i had a epic roach rush build till they patched it in like no4-5. wait till the game is out then if you still want some good help, try that gosucoaching site
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im looking for a coach too!
but im a europe player,
all the coaches from gosucoaching.com are for america :/
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http:www.gosucoaching.com and get psyonicreaver to help you
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hmm, insta advice?
never stop making drones/probes.
Scout.
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its not the right time for a coach.. we are all learning about sc2, just keep playing and watching the latest replay from "sc 2 replay thread" i started in copper division 3 weeks ago.. now im 25 in gold division.. "impossible its nothing" XD
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All RTS games are about scouting.. if you always know where your enemy is and what he is doing, you'll have the upper hand almost all the time if you know what you are doing
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i contacted psyonicreaver but he doesnt have EU acces either :/
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Add me
Frost.stropheum
I don't mind playing against you and telling you what you could be doing better. You can keep your money
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www.scaudios.com is good. I was a plat zerg before the ladder reset and I'm gold now but started out playing random. Most my games are 2vs2 since the reset but I can try to help you out if you wanna upload some reps. What mu's are you having problems with? What's your standard opening?
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On March 28 2010 10:39 Viruuus wrote:
Basically, the same things that help in poker, will help in starcraft and vice versa.
You need:
1.) Technique: knowing which unit counters which other unit well and how to get that unit asap
2.) Gameplan: Know what you want to do vs your opponents race, find out what he is doing to counter you / what he is opening with, then use 1.)
3.) Execution: Microing/Macroing (especially during battle. This can pretty much only be improved by practising.
I would expand on this with my own approach to the game. The things i think you need are:
1) Knowledge: Understand what counters what and what unit combos work well against others, basically the same point
2) Adaptability: Being able to see a strange build and know what to do against it. You see someone posturing for a timing push, you know when to cut drones and mass units. Learn not to overreact or underreact
3) Stability of play: Learn when to place pylons/depots/overlords so you don't get capped. DO NOT learn other peoples' build orders. Figure out what you want to do in each matchup, figure out what timings you want for everything, then you'll start to realize "hey, if i make my gas right after my second hatch i'll be able to get my lair right after i saturate drones" and things like this. When you develop your own builds through constant refinement then you can see what other people are doing and try to incorporate their ideas into your builds.
I can't stress how important overall awareness is. When i first got back into SC1 i was looking at build orders like "why the hell does it tell me to place a hatch at x supply?". It makes sense though, because people who refined their own builds to the point where they were most efficient realized these timings and understood them, which means these players will know how to adapt their builds when they're faced with any situation
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Have you listened to Day[9] podcasts?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89581
After listening to his podcasts, I improved from D to D+ in SC1. I don't see why it wouldn't also work for SC2. I'd suggest listening to everything but race specifics, since their not exactly the same for SC2.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2010 09:28 goszar wrote:
I trained my APM for a month or two using various programs.
I dont see the point of this.
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The best help you can possible ever get (for free) is from Day[9] Daily's.
This is some wicked podcast that has so much in-depth analisys, that me - the uber master noob, is currently in the top half of my gold division. Comparing that to D-/D @ iCCup seems like a freaking huge gap to me. I was expecting that I land in Bronze at max.
I've been watching him for like 2-3 weeks now. And I only have gotten my key like ... less then a week ago. I have totally played like 20-22 games so far, coz I really like to rest back, clear my mind, then watch my replay and then, if I feel like it, I play another game, so quite often I end up with a only a game or two for an entire day.
But hey - I, the noob, am 45th in my Gold Division, with 22 games played and under one week of actual having SC2 Beta. I think that speaks for itself more then anything else.
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hmm my MU troubles are, ZvP when protoss goes collossi with sentries
ZvZ vs mass mutas
and ZvT against tanks
any advice for those MU's would be great!
thats very impressive speed, keep it up! im currently top8 in silver but im stuck there for quite a bit now :/
frost i coudnt add you i think your on US server
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On March 28 2010 10:39 Viruuus wrote:
Basically, the same things that help in poker, will help in starcraft and vice versa.
You need:
1.) Technique: knowing which unit counters which other unit well and how to get that unit asap
2.) Gameplan: Know what you want to do vs your opponents race, find out what he is doing to counter you / what he is opening with, then use 1.)
3.) Execution: Microing/Macroing (especially during battle. This can pretty much only be improved by practising.
And the ability to adapt if a plan fails.
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You should really try contacting gosucoaching for lessons. They are really helpful and incontrols one of the best (most patient) advisors to the game.
Also read the Broodwar strategy threads by Chill and Legionnaire which would help you get the basics down.
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does incontrol have a EU beta key?
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Not sure what PokerStar funds are and if they can be turned into real cash but if you're interested in ~16 Plat (Currently and 8 Plat highest so far) coach, I'd like to help! ^^
JK! I feel bad taking someone's money to teach them to play a game I'm not 100% good at myself... best advice would be Day[9].tv, liquipedia II, and threads on TL... it's still in beta... the game isn't even out yet! You have nothing to worry about... you'll get better eventually! Just gather as much knowledge as you possibly can by watching replays/VOD's and reading stuff...
Find a good practice partner and play with him... practice, practice, practice!
BTW, kudos on ~600 games!!! O.O I wish I had the time....... xD
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I am not really a pro or anything but would be happy to play with you and give you pointers. I mostly play 2v2 though. 4th in platinum. Terran player.
Ron.Ron if you want to add me.
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op - do this:
On March 28 2010 10:39 Viruuus wrote:
Basically, the same things that help in poker, will help in starcraft and vice versa.
You need:
1.) Technique: knowing which unit counters which other unit well and how to get that unit asap
2.) Gameplan: Know what you want to do vs your opponents race, find out what he is doing to counter you / what he is opening with, then use 1.)
3.) Execution: Microing/Macroing (especially during battle. This can pretty much only be improved by practising.
i totally agree with this. although the essentially obvious but undoubtedly MOST IMPORTANT things are:
a) you should be making workers NON STOP (allowing for essential upgrade), in other words your command centre/nexus/hatchery should be doing something 24/7. never forget to make more workers, this ensures that your opponent should never have a bigger bank account early-mid game.
b) you should keep your minerals as low as possible by making an army and getting only the ESSENTIAL upgrades (don't get ling speed unless you're planning to actually use speedlings etc). if you can't spend it fast enough then you should have built extra barracks etc.
this gives you a level playing field, your opponent should have a similar sized army to your - and unless you hide in base and let him capture 2-3 extra bases then you should be able to put up a fight.
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Buy the game for $60, and then pay someone $20-40 an hour to help you become better at it ? (results not guaranteed)
"gosu coaching" is massively overpriced.
Read the strategy forum, watch replays of better players. Think critically.
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hmm im currently ranked 4th in my platinum solo league and the way i got my buddy better in other games like SCBW, Wc3, and so far a little bit in SC2 was just by standing behind him and staying on top of him when he'd either slow down or do something incorrectly. After awhile it eventually became second nature to him. So i'd suggest if you have a buddy who knows whats going on play a lot of CGs with him watching and telling you what to do or what u r doing wrong on a constant basis, eventually it'll become second nature to you. Plus your speed will greatly increase if u feel the pressure of someone telling you what to do as long as you can handle it.
-LimeNade
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btw feel free to get at my on SC2 at anytime my name on there is LimeNade.soda, i'll do my best to help ya out.
-LimeNade
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Netherlands5147 Posts
Get a good keyboard and mouse. That should help as well if you haven't got it already.
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On April 15 2010 02:58 Mentat wrote:
Buy the game for $60, and then pay someone $20-40 an hour to help you become better at it ? (results not guaranteed)
"gosu coaching" is massively overpriced.
Read the strategy forum, watch replays of better players. Think critically.
how is it massively overpriced? Thats actually pretty cheap to be taught from the current top players on the US server. It's equalivant to paying the very top usa golfers to teach you (tiger woods/phil mickelson) or hockey players, or the very top usa basketball players. Lets just say Kobe Bryant or Tiger Woods would charge ALOT more than just 20/hr. So being able to invest such a small amount of money, and get to train with the current *best* players on the server seems like a really good deal to me.
Consider it for the future. Starcraft 2 has a promising career in e-sports future. So, investing $100-200 now to learn the game really well, will probably pay off down the line when you are now good enough to take home prize money in the thousands!
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On April 15 2010 03:31 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 02:58 Mentat wrote:
Buy the game for $60, and then pay someone $20-40 an hour to help you become better at it ? (results not guaranteed)
"gosu coaching" is massively overpriced.
Read the strategy forum, watch replays of better players. Think critically. how is it massively overpriced? Thats actually pretty cheap to be taught from the current top players on the US server. It's equalivant to paying the very top usa golfers to teach you (tiger woods/phil mickelson) or hockey players, or the very top usa basketball players. Lets just say Kobe Bryant or Tiger Woods would charge ALOT more than just 20/hr. So being able to invest such a small amount of money, and get to train with the current *best* players on the server seems like a really good deal to me. Consider it for the future. Starcraft 2 has a promising career in e-sports future. So, investing $100-200 now to learn the game really well, will probably pay off down the line when you are now good enough to take home prize money in the thousands!
hai gosu, how's business?
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On April 15 2010 03:31 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 02:58 Mentat wrote:
Buy the game for $60, and then pay someone $20-40 an hour to help you become better at it ? (results not guaranteed)
"gosu coaching" is massively overpriced.
Read the strategy forum, watch replays of better players. Think critically. how is it massively overpriced? Thats actually pretty cheap to be taught from the current top players on the US server. It's equalivant to paying the very top usa golfers to teach you (tiger woods/phil mickelson) or hockey players, or the very top usa basketball players. Lets just say Kobe Bryant or Tiger Woods would charge ALOT more than just 20/hr. So being able to invest such a small amount of money, and get to train with the current *best* players on the server seems like a really good deal to me. Consider it for the future. Starcraft 2 has a promising career in e-sports future. So, investing $100-200 now to learn the game really well, will probably pay off down the line when you are now good enough to take home prize money in the thousands!
This entire post is nothing more than speculation and illogical assertions.
Cheap is free as that is the price of equivalent services.
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You bump a thread that is >1 year old to advertise your coaching site?
You should read through the TL commandments before you start posting...
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I like how his experience is ambiguously written.
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Probably the least appropriate bump in quite a while.
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On September 04 2011 11:09 Son of Gnome wrote:
hes new give him a break
If he is advertising, he hasn't read the rules.
If you don't read the rules, you lied when signing up.
If you lied when signing up, then you should be banned.
Edit: Plus his first post was doing pretty much the exact same thing, just in a new thread.
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EPT
