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sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-01 02:05:36
October 01 2009 01:29 GMT
#1
Me and my friends have been arguing about this all today and the two sides both think the other is wrong as hell. So i figure maybe teamliquid has the answer or we have some real complicated grammar-like people on board who can give us a technical layout of the phrase. The question is.....

Edit: So perhaps I should have included arguments for/against. Edited in new arguments and move them above the poll.

For 2:
- You refer to a pair of chopsticks, shoes etc....and they are only TWO ITEMS. A pair of something is always two (except in the case where it is 1 ex. scissors and pants), but NEVER 3.
- The idea here is that a "twin" is a singular noun, and "twins" implies there are two of them that MAKE UP a pair, as they are items related in the obvious way of being twins.
- How many people is "two pair of twins"...8? That obviously is not correct.
- A twin (1 person) ----> A pair of twins (2 people).

For 4:
- "twins" is a singular noun on it's own, and a pair would imply two of those nouns, and so 2x2=4 people total.
- Seems to be the most chosen "gut instinct" option.

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Poll: How many people is "A pair of twins"
(Vote): 2
(Vote): 4

benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
October 01 2009 01:32 GMT
#2
a pair of twins is two sets of twins, so four people

how is this debatable?
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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4342 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-01 01:38:56
October 01 2009 01:33 GMT
#3
Yep. A set of twins is 2 people. A pair of twins is two sets of twins, hence 4 people. By the way, I'm a twin and this is how I think of it.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
October 01 2009 01:33 GMT
#4
On October 01 2009 10:32 benjammin wrote:
a pair of twins is two sets of twins, so four people

how is this debatable?

It could be an idiomatic expression. It sounds like one, which might trip ppl up, but I don't think so, so 4.
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
October 01 2009 01:36 GMT
#5
A pair of shoes is 2 shoes. A pair of jeans is only 1 though.

I'm not even sure I've ever heard the phrase "a pair of twins." People just say "They had twins."
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 01 2009 01:36 GMT
#6
a pair which means 2 of twins which is 2 so 4 obviously
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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
October 01 2009 01:37 GMT
#7
On October 01 2009 10:32 benjammin wrote:
a pair of twins is two sets of twins, so four people

how is this debatable?


This is what I thought at first but with how English works it can actually mean either one.

A pair = 2, that is something we most all know.

So... it all comes down to how you understand the word 'twin'.

twin
 /twɪn/
–noun
1. either of two children or animals brought forth at a birth.


On one hand, the extra 'S' added to 'twin' can mean two of the same thing (in this case they are both an individual twin). So it would be 'Two individuals', thus, 2.

On the other hand, if the S is used as part of the word (not added) it would be 'two sets of twins', thus, 4.

English has little bugs like this in many different areas. There needs to be an option for 'both', because it can be used for both

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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 01 2009 01:37 GMT
#8
to me, a pair = 2 sets of twins :. 4
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
October 01 2009 01:37 GMT
#9
A pair of twins is two twins, therefore 2 people, no doubt.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-01 01:41:05
October 01 2009 01:37 GMT
#10
My gut reaction was 4 people (perhaps I was influenced by seeing the poll results), but a pair of twins should really only be referring to 2 twins. It's akin to saying a pair of socks. A twin (1 person). A pair of twins (2 people). I suppose one could also say a set of twins; either one implies plurality, but pair is more succinct.

On October 01 2009 10:29 sith wrote:
For 4:
- "twins" is a singular noun on it's own, and a pair would imply two of those nouns, and so 2x2=4 people total.

See, this is just wrong. "Twins" is plural. "Twin" is a singular noun.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
October 01 2009 01:38 GMT
#11
Reading it I thought "How the hell would this be interpreted as 2 people".

Then again when comparing to a pair of shoes it does create confusion. Still, I voted 4 since that's my first and only real response when someone says a pair of twins.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-01 01:40:35
October 01 2009 01:38 GMT
#12
obviously 2 people you guys are crazy

"a pair" = 2
"of twins" is just a description

a pair of anything is two of that thing

2 pair of twins would be 4 people

if there was a big group of twins and someone asked "how many pairs of twins are here?" you would obviously just divide the total number of people by two.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7231 Posts
October 01 2009 01:38 GMT
#13
I've heard it both ways. You and your friends spend too much time arguing trivialities.
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BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
October 01 2009 01:40 GMT
#14
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Probe.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States877 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-01 01:44:55
October 01 2009 01:42 GMT
#15
4 = quadruplets. Pair implies 2. Thus a pair of twins is 2 people. It wouldn't make any sense to say a pair of twins and refer to 4 people.

What if i were to say 2 pairs of twins. Would you guys think that is 8 people? Obviously not.

edit: happy birthday OP.
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inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
October 01 2009 01:42 GMT
#16
If a pair of twins is 4 then a pair of shoes is at least 4, which its not.
Aresien
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United Kingdom305 Posts
October 01 2009 01:44 GMT
#17
As husky said, it's both. It all depends on which way you use it.
Starparty
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Sweden1963 Posts
October 01 2009 01:45 GMT
#18
On October 01 2009 10:37 jello_biafra wrote:
A pair of twins is two twins, therefore 2 people, no doubt.


Yes, this.

A pair indicates its two, twin"s" indicates its plural.

Just as someone mentioned about shoes - You dont say "a pair of shoe", you say "a pair of shoes" to indicate plural.

There is actually nothing in the word "twin" in itself that indicates 2 people, only as the description above says - one of two, (not both). Only when you put it in context like "they are twins" you get the indication that it is involving 2 people.
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
October 01 2009 01:46 GMT
#19
2, without a doubt. I have a pair of shoes, socks, glasses.
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
October 01 2009 01:50 GMT
#20
People usually refer to 2 twins so I think a pair of twins is just 2.
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